DUST Search - everything is op

Izlare Lenix wrote:

keno trader wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

keno trader wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Regardless of what is or isn't OP, the worst BS in the game right now is the decloak glitch shotgun bitches.

I hope CCP fixes this soon because getting OHK from someone that is still invisible is fuking infuriating. And since this game is full of dbags, there are plenty of no talent hacks taking advantage of this decloak delay issue.

Calm yo nerves bb. I can decloak and massdrive you as well! Same result.

First off, you can't kill me in one shot like a shotgun can.

Second, regardless of what weapon is used, nobody should be able to fire before they are visable. The problem is most prevalent with the sg since it does so much alpha damage.

The shotgun isn't actually that good. Piece of crap hit detection means only perfectly lined up shots actually do full potential.

Second, if I'm attacking you from behind, being visible/ invisible = no difference?

Third, we've been through this discussion a hundred times already.

Please explain to me why shotguns are used so much more now than before? They haven't really changed and their hit detection does suck.

Before the cloak, a shotgunner WOULD have to attack from behind or get mowed down.

Now, they can attack from every angel (even straight on against a less observant player) because of the cloak. Coupled with the fact you can OHK most frames before being visible, this is why soooo many scouts are using shotguns now.

And don't pretend you still sneak up behind every target, I have used militia shotguns several times to test them with the cloak and even with zero SP in them it is so stupid easy to get kills with shotguns, even charging straight at reds.

---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---

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deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 700	Posted - 2014.05.01 04:55:00 - [1] - Quote okay so lets see scout = op heavies = op cr = op rr = op scr = op laser rifle = better than before mediums = ehh tanks = op ads = op lavs = op cloaks = op shotgun = op if nearly everything is op, is anything op? It'll help define roles, i promise:)
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3099	Posted - 2014.05.01 04:57:00 - [2] - Quote ScR? Are you made boy? Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
BLOOD Ruler Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 170	Posted - 2014.05.01 04:59:00 - [3] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: okay so lets see scout = op heavies = op cr = op rr = op scr = op laser rifle = better than before mediums = ehh tanks = op ads = op lavs = op cloaks = op shotgun = op if nearly everything is op, is anything op? Your face=Op
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 702	Posted - 2014.05.01 04:59:00 - [4] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: ScR? Are you made boy? im going strictly off forum posts ive seen in the past few days [helps define roles1 i <3 flaylocks
BLOOD Ruler Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 178	Posted - 2014.05.01 05:00:00 - [5] - Quote The answer nothing is op,the weapon is only as good as its owner
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1701	Posted - 2014.05.01 05:51:00 - [6] - Quote Yes, everything is OP, even the ground! It shouldn't OHK me when I fall from tall heights (without inertia dampener)! "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
TBdaBoss ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2014.05.01 05:51:00 - [7] - Quote Yep. WE WERE GODS ONCE
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 171	Posted - 2014.05.01 05:52:00 - [8] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: okay so lets see scout = op heavies = op cr = op rr = op scr = op laser rifle = better than before mediums = ehh tanks = op ads = op lavs = op cloaks = op shotgun = op if nearly everything is op, is anything op? Welcome to the truth. Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast. Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 171	Posted - 2014.05.01 05:53:00 - [9] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: okay so lets see scout = op heavies = op cr = op rr = op scr = op laser rifle = better than before mediums = ehh tanks = op ads = op lavs = op cloaks = op shotgun = op if nearly everything is op, is anything op? CR is really OP though, i use it on nearly every suit. ****'s OP, dawg. Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast. Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2448	Posted - 2014.05.01 05:53:00 - [10] - Quote sits in a corner crying and holding a plasma cannon Nerdier than thou

Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1727	Posted - 2014.05.01 05:59:00 - [11] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: sits in a corner crying and holding a plasma cannon *Gently pats Awry on the back* There, there. CCP simply doesn't like alpha strike weapons unless they are a large turret. At least they haven't nerfed the PLC... yet. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4154	Posted - 2014.05.01 05:59:00 - [12] - Quote lol there has to be something we're missing from the list... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2450	Posted - 2014.05.01 06:02:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: lol there has to be something we're missing from the list... Notice that there are zero infantry AV weapons on that list. Not one. If that's not evidence that infantry AV is UP, I don't know what is. Nerdier than thou
Terii Ebes Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.05.01 06:12:00 - [14] - Quote Remote explosive is the best. When strikes 7 Red blerries (4 Protos Heavys + 2 logis in the same place BOOOMMM well is hard that anyways )
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1357	Posted - 2014.05.01 06:18:00 - [15] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: okay so lets see scout = op heavies = op cr = op rr = op scr = op laser rifle = better than before mediums = ehh tanks = op ads = op lavs = op cloaks = op shotgun = op if nearly everything is op, is anything op? Shotgun, partially op Scouts, fine Assault ps, need buffing Hmg heavies, op Heavy with a sidearm, fine Blaster and rail tanjs, op Lav, fine caldari one needs buffing Ads, needs price decrease and python, needs slight buff Scr, needs buff and nerf, does too much shield damage Rr, kinda op Cr, op too much dps I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 435	Posted - 2014.05.01 06:37:00 - [16] - Quote Nuh-uh, hit detection is still totally UP.
Asha Starwind 853	Posted - 2014.05.01 06:41:00 - [17] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: okay so lets see scout = they're fine, only one that is or is approaching op is the gallente one heavies = also fine, only one that is or is approaching op is the gallente one cr = obviously rr = has the lowest dps of all rifles now scr = not op, and I hate the damn thing laser rifle = better than before mediums = ehh tanks = definitely ads = pythons were before the hardener nerf, don't see inc too much nowadays lavs = definition of not op, coffin on wheels. Can't even roadkill some tard crouching in the middle of the road. He gets teleported off to the side cloaks = not op, but needs tweaking shotgun = nope if nearly everything is op, is anything op? Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3758	Posted - 2014.05.01 06:53:00 - [18] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: okay so lets see scout = op heavies = op cr = op rr = op scr = op laser rifle = better than before mediums = ehh tanks = op ads = op lavs = op cloaks = op shotgun = op if nearly everything is op, is anything op? No, not really. The game is actually pretty well balanced at the moment. Assaults need a new gimmick to make them a little more interesting and cloaking needs a tweak but thats about it. Mostly everything is where it needs to be. The reality is hardly anybody will agree with you though. People on this forum are whiny idiots that want to blame everything other than themselves for their poor performance.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 541	Posted - 2014.05.01 07:20:00 - [19] - Quote Regardless of what is or isn't OP, the worst BS in the game right now is the decloak glitch shotgun bitches. I hope CCP fixes this soon because getting OHK from someone that is still invisible is fuking infuriating. And since this game is full of dbags, there are plenty of no talent hacks taking advantage of this decloak delay issue. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2014.05.01 07:22:00 - [20] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Regardless of what is or isn't OP, the worst BS in the game right now is the decloak glitch shotgun bitches. I hope CCP fixes this soon because getting OHK from someone that is still invisible is fuking infuriating. And since this game is full of dbags, there are plenty of no talent hacks taking advantage of this decloak delay issue. Calm yo nerves bb. I can decloak and massdrive you as well! Same result. ---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---

Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 541	Posted - 2014.05.01 07:27:00 - [21] - Quote keno trader wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Regardless of what is or isn't OP, the worst BS in the game right now is the decloak glitch shotgun bitches. I hope CCP fixes this soon because getting OHK from someone that is still invisible is fuking infuriating. And since this game is full of dbags, there are plenty of no talent hacks taking advantage of this decloak delay issue. Calm yo nerves bb. I can decloak and massdrive you as well! Same result. First off, you can't kill me in one shot like a shotgun can. Second, regardless of what weapon is used, nobody should be able to fire before they are visable. The problem is most prevalent with the sg since it does so much alpha damage. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2014.05.01 07:30:00 - [22] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: keno trader wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Regardless of what is or isn't OP, the worst BS in the game right now is the decloak glitch shotgun bitches. I hope CCP fixes this soon because getting OHK from someone that is still invisible is fuking infuriating. And since this game is full of dbags, there are plenty of no talent hacks taking advantage of this decloak delay issue. Calm yo nerves bb. I can decloak and massdrive you as well! Same result. First off, you can't kill me in one shot like a shotgun can. Second, regardless of what weapon is used, nobody should be able to fire before they are visable. The problem is most prevalent with the sg since it does so much alpha damage. The shotgun isn't actually that good. Piece of crap hit detection means only perfectly lined up shots actually do full potential. Second, if I'm attacking you from behind, being visible/ invisible = no difference? Third, we've been through this discussion a hundred times already. ---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2014.05.01 07:33:00 - [23] - Quote Also, Arrogance is a hilariously bad corp name. But I guess it describes its members quite well! :) ---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 135	Posted - 2014.05.01 07:33:00 - [24] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: sits in a corner crying and holding a plasma cannon Is there any other way to hold a plasma cannon? Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 542	Posted - 2014.05.01 07:48:00 - [25] - Quote keno trader wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: keno trader wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Regardless of what is or isn't OP, the worst BS in the game right now is the decloak glitch shotgun bitches. I hope CCP fixes this soon because getting OHK from someone that is still invisible is fuking infuriating. And since this game is full of dbags, there are plenty of no talent hacks taking advantage of this decloak delay issue. Calm yo nerves bb. I can decloak and massdrive you as well! Same result. First off, you can't kill me in one shot like a shotgun can. Second, regardless of what weapon is used, nobody should be able to fire before they are visable. The problem is most prevalent with the sg since it does so much alpha damage. The shotgun isn't actually that good. Piece of crap hit detection means only perfectly lined up shots actually do full potential. Second, if I'm attacking you from behind, being visible/ invisible = no difference? Third, we've been through this discussion a hundred times already. Please explain to me why shotguns are used so much more now than before? They haven't really changed and their hit detection does suck. Before the cloak, a shotgunner WOULD have to attack from behind or get mowed down. Now, they can attack from every angel (even straight on against a less observant player) because of the cloak. Coupled with the fact you can OHK most frames before being visible, this is why soooo many scouts are using shotguns now. And don't pretend you still sneak up behind every target, I have used militia shotguns several times to test them with the cloak and even with zero SP in them it is so stupid easy to get kills with shotguns, even charging straight at reds. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 163	Posted - 2014.05.01 07:58:00 - [26] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: The answer nothing is op,the weapon is only as good as its owner like the plasma cannon? fallacy-senses tingling! So the decision not to run plc makes the player good? your logic is so quirky, I dont even know where to begin. experienced players run the most effective weapons, that doesnt mean it is only the experience that makes the player good. It does mean that he has the experience to know the best weapons (and that he has more SP invested in them). So we have a triple-whammy situation, man. There is always more than one variable, even in a video game. Dont even get me started with the real world. Thats why we need scientists to unravel even the simplest relations. le sigh The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2014.05.01 07:58:00 - [27] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: keno trader wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: keno trader wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Regardless of what is or isn't OP, the worst BS in the game right now is the decloak glitch shotgun bitches. I hope CCP fixes this soon because getting OHK from someone that is still invisible is fuking infuriating. And since this game is full of dbags, there are plenty of no talent hacks taking advantage of this decloak delay issue. Calm yo nerves bb. I can decloak and massdrive you as well! Same result. First off, you can't kill me in one shot like a shotgun can. Second, regardless of what weapon is used, nobody should be able to fire before they are visable. The problem is most prevalent with the sg since it does so much alpha damage. The shotgun isn't actually that good. Piece of crap hit detection means only perfectly lined up shots actually do full potential. Second, if I'm attacking you from behind, being visible/ invisible = no difference? Third, we've been through this discussion a hundred times already. Please explain to me why shotguns are used so much more now than before? They haven't really changed and their hit detection does suck. Before the cloak, a shotgunner WOULD have to attack from behind or get mowed down. Now, they can attack from every angel (even straight on against a less observant player) because of the cloak. Coupled with the fact you can OHK most frames before being visible, this is why soooo many scouts are using shotguns now. And don't pretend you still sneak up behind every target, I have used militia shotguns several times to test them with the cloak and even with zero SP in them it is so stupid easy to get kills with shotguns, even charging straight at reds. First off, many people are still attempting to pull fast ones with cloaks. Hence, shottie cloak. Second, they can't attack from any angle. If you're running remotely close to your team it is guaranteed death for a scout attempting to approach from anywhere in the front/side. Even coming from the back it is dangerous. Third, I don't know what frames you're OHKing, but in most modes nowadays heavies are the suit of choice, and one does not simply "OHK" a heavy frame. Fourth, I sneak up on all my enemies. That's why I'm a dedicated scout and you aren't. ---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
Grandmaster Taylor PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 3	Posted - 2014.05.01 08:12:00 - [28] - Quote Easy way to combat scouts.... precision enhancers. Being able to see enemies on your radar with passive scans is a huge advantage right now.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2014.05.01 08:13:00 - [29] - Quote Grandmaster Taylor wrote: Easy way to combat scouts.... precision enhancers. Being able to see enemies on your radar with passive scans is a huge advantage right now. Unless you meet the "Harvard" of scout suits...gallente. ---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 542	Posted - 2014.05.01 08:22:00 - [30] - Quote Lol. I have used nothing but a scout suit for the past 4 months. I mostly use the Scr or CR but I have tried the shotgun both militia and the free hks I got from something. Cloaked shotgunning is the easiest thing to do in the game right now. I have killed several reds at a time with shotgun and have had it done against me. So pretending you can't get close to a squad is garbage. In fact the ability to invisa kill, run and cloak is one reason the sg is so abused right now. And YES thanks to the cloak scouts can and do attack from any angle and to say otherwise is BS. Lastly with zero SP in shotguns I have OHK most scouts and most medium frames. The only issue is brick tanked scouts, logi and heavies. The heavies being the only ones to require a third, sometimes fourth shoot. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.

BIind Shot Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 226	Posted - 2014.05.01 08:31:00 - [31] - Quote Shotguns should be nerfed. They should have a farther range but do less damage. and he said unto them, "Bring ye all your trolls, that they shall feed".


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