DUST Search - Decrease the amount of isk basic suits cost.

KalOfTheRathi wrote:

What used to happen was the ISK payout from 5-16th was decent. If you didn't die Excessively then you could make a profit and play the game. Since the first of 2014, possibly earlier, CCP/Shanghai has been dramatically reducing the ISK payout for the lower positions. There is less ISK paid to the losing side and the maximums are more based on doing material damage then anything else that is apparent, to me anyway.

One might suspect that they got nervous about the vast amounts of ISK in the current Dust economy and decided to reduce it by making playing Dust a money losing proposition. Of course the reasons there are huge amount of ISK is only because of CCP/Shanghai and some of their earlier practices.

Now new players are struggling. And players that have not been aligned with a Corp that was raking in the huge ISK payments from the Broken For Months District Locking Exploit In PC that was something else decided, coded and installed in the game by our very own CCP/Shanghai. What goes around comes around doesn't it.

The current throttling of ISK is a detriment to fun. It makes Mercs even more concerned about earning enough ISK to buy Skill Books (at their obscene prices that have no rhyme or reason beyond EVE does it). Then the gamers become more concerned about gaming the F2P game by ensuring that they will not spend a penny on the game itself. Yet, boosters are not a bad investment overall. If you have a little spare cash you can buy a few and tweak out three to five days of booster and get an extra week of SP for the price. Just start with the full SP cap waiting a few days before shutdown, SP Cap the first week, server shutdown Wednesday, SP resets and SP cap the next week. 190,400SP extra.

But, CCP/Shanghai doesn't understand people wanting to spend money to support them. They understand extorting money from new people by refusing to pay their mercenaries a living wage. One might wonder what they are modeling the Dust economy on, it is partly P2W (Pay 2 Win aka 'not enough time not enough skill - buy AURUM today') and partly on some punitive scheme to make players focus on the 'worst part of the game'. Basically losing money day after day and then needing to AFK farm to get enough cash to buy enough gear to play with.

This is less of a problem once the Merc is a vet. But it definitely is a problem there as well as it is easy to lose money is this game about Immortal Mercenaries in Spaaace.
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Thokk Nightshade Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 105	Posted - 2014.04.30 03:26:00 - [1] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: What used to happen was the ISK payout from 5-16th was decent. If you didn't die Excessively then you could make a profit and play the game. Since the first of 2014, possibly earlier, CCP/Shanghai has been dramatically reducing the ISK payout for the lower positions. There is less ISK paid to the losing side and the maximums are more based on doing material damage then anything else that is apparent, to me anyway. One might suspect that they got nervous about the vast amounts of ISK in the current Dust economy and decided to reduce it by making playing Dust a money losing proposition. Of course the reasons there are huge amount of ISK is only because of CCP/Shanghai and some of their earlier practices. Now new players are struggling. And players that have not been aligned with a Corp that was raking in the huge ISK payments from the Broken For Months District Locking Exploit In PC that was something else decided, coded and installed in the game by our very own CCP/Shanghai. What goes around comes around doesn't it. The current throttling of ISK is a detriment to fun. It makes Mercs even more concerned about earning enough ISK to buy Skill Books (at their obscene prices that have no rhyme or reason beyond EVE does it). Then the gamers become more concerned about gaming the F2P game by ensuring that they will not spend a penny on the game itself. Yet, boosters are not a bad investment overall. If you have a little spare cash you can buy a few and tweak out three to five days of booster and get an extra week of SP for the price. Just start with the full SP cap waiting a few days before shutdown, SP Cap the first week, server shutdown Wednesday, SP resets and SP cap the next week. 190,400SP extra. But, CCP/Shanghai doesn't understand people wanting to spend money to support them. They understand extorting money from new people by refusing to pay their mercenaries a living wage. One might wonder what they are modeling the Dust economy on, it is partly P2W (Pay 2 Win aka 'not enough time not enough skill - buy AURUM today') and partly on some punitive scheme to make players focus on the 'worst part of the game'. Basically losing money day after day and then needing to AFK farm to get enough cash to buy enough gear to play with. This is less of a problem once the Merc is a vet. But it definitely is a problem there as well as it is easy to lose money is this game about Immortal Mercenaries in Spaaace. Welcome to Dust. This is on point. When I run my proto logi suit all tricked out with toys, if I die more than 4 or 5 times in a match, I'm taking a loss or at best breaking even. So I have to run standard/adv suits and fittings and just accept that I'm going to die more in order to make a profit. If you are on a losing team in the bottom half of the stack you are screwed. I had one ambush game where I was 9th or 10th on the losing team with like 230 WP or something. My stat line was like 2/9 or something close to that (like I said, I'm a Logi and I will admit it was a BAD game). I think the ISK payout was 85 or 90k. I was running my suit that is only 19k so I can at least be viable and not totally worthless, I LOST 90k. Running a cheap suit. Yes, I know you can build a suit for like 5 or 6 thousand. With a logi, there is no purpose. That 19k suit is an advanced Cal Logi suit (because the standard is absolutely worthless), basic Combat Rifle, standard nanohive, uplink, and nanite injectors, standard armor plating, and militia shield extenders. I don't even want to think about doing that with my 140K proto Basically, the whole ISK payout is, in fact. severely skewed. If you are either a noob or not "on your gun game" for a particular match, making enough ISK to even cover losses is impossible. If low end payouts are going to be so pathetic, drop the cost of the militia/basic gear so a guy who takes 12-15 losses (hell, I've seen guys go 1-21 and that is not a guy just suiciding. I fought along side the poor soul for most of the match and the kid was at least trying) can at least make enough money to cover their suits and buy what they just lost. If we want to keep Adv./Proto suits/gear expensive, fine. But a basic 5k suit dying 20 times (like the kid I was talking about) is still 100,000 ISK. If I made 90k at 10th, and he was 16th, how much do you think he made that match. (it was a different match but still, I'm sure you get the point.)
Thokk Nightshade Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 105	Posted - 2014.04.30 03:28:00 - [2] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Thumb Green wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: They actually cost more than the specialized variants. I know they used to be but last time I looked at them they were the same price. No, they're more. Just checked, every std suit costs 3,000, every adv suit costs 8,040, and every proto costs 57,690. Every suit: assault, basic, commando, logi, scout, and sentinal. No way Adv frame is 13k Yep, my Adv. Cal Logi is right around 13k for the suit itself.