DUST Search - CCP won't help, so i have had to do this !

BAMM HAVOC wrote:

Archer Yorcot wrote:

BAMM HAVOC wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

Your questions are pretty dumb. For example: I alternate between losing 0 and losing over a million ISK per match, so asking me how much I lose per match really doesn't make much sense at all. I'll earn 500k running uplinks when I need money, but earn 150k running around with a plasma cannon for kicks. Again, asking how much I make "each match" doesn't really mean much.

Also, asking about both win rate and loss rate? Why? It's a binary condition...

these questions are very basic and are directed at the average DUST514 merc and not in most cases the experienced high SP'd merc earning millions, im trying to gauge these figures for a video I have planned and if I make it to complex it will make the end result fuzzy and confuse people, hence the yes no binary.... there is a method to my madness sir I promise . Lol

There are still too many methodological issues for the survey's results to have any merit GÇô even at a casual level.

You make too many assumptions by the way you phrase the questions, and then compound the problem with the options you give for answers.

Its an interesting topic, and I'm sure we'd all like to see how it pans out, but the information has to be at least semi-accurate to further the discussion.

agreed, there is no malice in these questions are simple and to the point, so there is no confusion from 1 to the other, I just need the raw data and these answers will provide the data I need

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BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 359	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:51:00 - [1] - Quote This is a link to a poll on polljunkie.com Facts and Figures for Dust514 I am trying to gather the hard facts and figures correlating to game play and isk and the relation between the two. I was unsuccessful in my efforts asking CCP for help with this matter, I was shoved from pillar to post for about a week until I sent a direct email to CCP FoxFour to help clear the matter once and for all, a very helpful guy once you stop calling him CCP SoxFour. Anyway the long and the short of it was that there is a lock down on the figures I am looking for due to that itchy blanket of an N.D.A. It is a 10 question poll with multi choice answers and I thank you all in advance for your efforts. o7 DUST 514 is like a Stripper I keep throwing Money at it Hopefully 1 Day it will give me the Ride of my Life
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2351	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote Your questions are pretty dumb. For example: I alternate between losing 0 and losing over a million ISK per match, so asking me how much I lose per match really doesn't make much sense at all. I'll earn 500k running uplinks when I need money, but earn 150k running around with a plasma cannon for kicks. Again, asking how much I make "each match" doesn't really mean much. Also, asking about both win rate and loss rate? Why? It's a binary condition... Nerdier than thou
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 553	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:58:00 - [3] - Quote i think that is covered in the last question. Because, that's why.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9909	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:02:00 - [4] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: This is a link to a poll on polljunkie.com Facts and Figures for Dust514 I am trying to gather the hard facts and figures correlating to game play and isk and the relation between the two. I was unsuccessful in my efforts asking CCP for help with this matter, I was shoved from pillar to post for about a week until I sent a direct email to CCP FoxFour to help clear the matter once and for all, a very helpful guy once you stop calling him CCP SoxFour. Anyway the long and the short of it was that there is a lock down on the figures I am looking for due to that itchy blanket of an N.D.A. It is a 10 question poll with multi choice answers and I thank you all in advance for your efforts. o7 Very interesting answers. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 359	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:03:00 - [5] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Your questions are pretty dumb. For example: I alternate between losing 0 and losing over a million ISK per match, so asking me how much I lose per match really doesn't make much sense at all. I'll earn 500k running uplinks when I need money, but earn 150k running around with a plasma cannon for kicks. Again, asking how much I make "each match" doesn't really mean much. Also, asking about both win rate and loss rate? Why? It's a binary condition... these questions are very basic and are directed at the average DUST514 merc and not in most cases the experienced high SP'd merc earning millions, im trying to gauge these figures for a video I have planned and if I make it to complex it will make the end result fuzzy and confuse people, hence the yes no binary.... there is a method to my madness sir I promise . DUST 514 is like a Stripper I keep throwing Money at it Hopefully 1 Day it will give me the Ride of my Life
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2354	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:03:00 - [6] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: i think that is covered in the last question. Don't forget, you can select all three. They're not mutually exclusive. Also, looking at the results: WHO SAID THEY WIN 50% OF MATCHES BUT LOSE 25%?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN Nerdier than thou
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 359	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:08:00 - [7] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: i think that is covered in the last question. Don't forget, you can select all three. They're not mutually exclusive. haha good point sir ! DUST 514 is like a Stripper I keep throwing Money at it Hopefully 1 Day it will give me the Ride of my Life
Archer Yorcot S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:09:00 - [8] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Your questions are pretty dumb. For example: I alternate between losing 0 and losing over a million ISK per match, so asking me how much I lose per match really doesn't make much sense at all. I'll earn 500k running uplinks when I need money, but earn 150k running around with a plasma cannon for kicks. Again, asking how much I make "each match" doesn't really mean much. Also, asking about both win rate and loss rate? Why? It's a binary condition... these questions are very basic and are directed at the average DUST514 merc and not in most cases the experienced high SP'd merc earning millions, im trying to gauge these figures for a video I have planned and if I make it to complex it will make the end result fuzzy and confuse people, hence the yes no binary.... there is a method to my madness sir I promise . There are still too many methodological issues for the survey's results to have any merit GÇô even at a casual level. You make too many assumptions by the way you phrase the questions, and then compound the problem with the options you give for answers. Its an interesting topic, and I'm sure we'd all like to see how it pans out, but the information has to be at least semi-accurate to further the discussion. This forum signature is OP.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9911	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:10:00 - [9] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: i think that is covered in the last question. Don't forget, you can select all three. They're not mutually exclusive. Also, looking at the results: WHO SAID THEY WIN 50% OF MATCHES BUT LOSE 25%?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN They could be quitting 25% due to Nyain San pub stomping. I don't play pubs during the week because I am on the same TZ as them and just end up running solo and leaving 75% of my matches until I get bored and play another game. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12903	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:11:00 - [10] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: i think that is covered in the last question. Don't forget, you can select all three. They're not mutually exclusive. Also, looking at the results: WHO SAID THEY WIN 50% OF MATCHES BUT LOSE 25%?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN I draw 25% ;_; You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums

Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 326	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:12:00 - [11] - Quote more polljunk spam, go a way.
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 360	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:15:00 - [12] - Quote Archer Yorcot wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Your questions are pretty dumb. For example: I alternate between losing 0 and losing over a million ISK per match, so asking me how much I lose per match really doesn't make much sense at all. I'll earn 500k running uplinks when I need money, but earn 150k running around with a plasma cannon for kicks. Again, asking how much I make "each match" doesn't really mean much. Also, asking about both win rate and loss rate? Why? It's a binary condition... these questions are very basic and are directed at the average DUST514 merc and not in most cases the experienced high SP'd merc earning millions, im trying to gauge these figures for a video I have planned and if I make it to complex it will make the end result fuzzy and confuse people, hence the yes no binary.... there is a method to my madness sir I promise . There are still too many methodological issues for the survey's results to have any merit GÇô even at a casual level. You make too many assumptions by the way you phrase the questions, and then compound the problem with the options you give for answers. Its an interesting topic, and I'm sure we'd all like to see how it pans out, but the information has to be at least semi-accurate to further the discussion. agreed, there is no malice in these questions are simple and to the point, so there is no confusion from 1 to the other, I just need the raw data and these answers will provide the data I need DUST 514 is like a Stripper I keep throwing Money at it Hopefully 1 Day it will give me the Ride of my Life
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1204	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:22:00 - [13] - Quote You can come up with statistics to prove anything. 40% of all people know that. "...and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death."
Archer Yorcot S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 41	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:24:00 - [14] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Archer Yorcot wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Your questions are pretty dumb. For example: I alternate between losing 0 and losing over a million ISK per match, so asking me how much I lose per match really doesn't make much sense at all. I'll earn 500k running uplinks when I need money, but earn 150k running around with a plasma cannon for kicks. Again, asking how much I make "each match" doesn't really mean much. Also, asking about both win rate and loss rate? Why? It's a binary condition... these questions are very basic and are directed at the average DUST514 merc and not in most cases the experienced high SP'd merc earning millions, im trying to gauge these figures for a video I have planned and if I make it to complex it will make the end result fuzzy and confuse people, hence the yes no binary.... there is a method to my madness sir I promise . There are still too many methodological issues for the survey's results to have any merit GÇô even at a casual level. You make too many assumptions by the way you phrase the questions, and then compound the problem with the options you give for answers. Its an interesting topic, and I'm sure we'd all like to see how it pans out, but the information has to be at least semi-accurate to further the discussion. agreed, there is no malice in these questions are simple and to the point, so there is no confusion from 1 to the other, I just need the raw data and these answers will provide the data I need Well...that's the problem. There IS confusion b/c of the assumptions you've built into the questions and the way you've structured the answer options. No one here is accusing you of malice, I'm just saying that the survey in its current form won't provide you with accurate data. Its good effort and interesting topic, but it just won't yield the results you're hoping for. Like your videos BTW. Keep'em coming. This forum signature is OP.
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 361	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:41:00 - [15] - Quote Archer Yorcot wrote: [quote=BAMM HAVOC][quote=Archer Yorcot][quote=BAMM HAVOC][quote=Awry Barux] Well...that's the problem. There IS confusion b/c of the assumptions you've built into the questions and the way you've structured the answer options. No one here is accusing you of malice, I'm just saying that the survey in its current form won't provide you with accurate data. Its good effort and interesting topic, but it just won't yield the results you're hoping for. Like your videos BTW. Keep'em coming. I seem to have misread your previous statement, my bad dude o\ , lol thanks for the you tube channel shout there, glad to see at least someone enjoys them... much love sent your way. it might not be clear now but these are the figures I need for another video I am planning and it will make sense then DUST 514 is like a Stripper I keep throwing Money at it Hopefully 1 Day it will give me the Ride of my Life
Alex-P-Keaton Kramer Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:46:00 - [16] - Quote i think the TC saw that thread the other day with the dropship poll and he thinks he is clever and made his own http://i58.tinypic.com/15f3muh.png http://i57.tinypic.com/301n33b.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/30c4pwk.jpg
Clone D 370	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:46:00 - [17] - Quote You need a 0 - 50k option for the question "How much ISK do you lose from each match?" .
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 361	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:00:00 - [18] - Quote Alex-P-Keaton Kramer wrote: i think the TC saw that thread the other day with the dropship poll and he thinks he is clever and made his own WTF ? clever ? me ? now that's something , this polljunkie was suggested to me by GTorq the creator of that drop ship thread via Skype ... im taking this gathered data and cross-referencing it with information from Crest and GTorq IS the Crest Guru . DUST 514 is like a Stripper I keep throwing Money at it Hopefully 1 Day it will give me the Ride of my Life
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 361	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:08:00 - [19] - Quote Clone D wrote: You need a 0 - 50k option for the question "How much ISK do you lose from each match?" yes good shout there dude o\ DUST 514 is like a Stripper I keep throwing Money at it Hopefully 1 Day it will give me the Ride of my Life
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1865	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:14:00 - [20] - Quote need more all of the above.

BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 362	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:26:00 - [21] - Quote Bethhy wrote: need more all of the above. you could select all 3 if you wanted DUST 514 is like a Stripper I keep throwing Money at it Hopefully 1 Day it will give me the Ride of my Life
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9949	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:50:00 - [22] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Bethhy wrote: need more all of the above. you could select all 3 if you wanted I would suggest and option next time for dirty heretic.... or rebel scum "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 536	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:01:00 - [23] - Quote Why not ask more worthwhile questions like how much sp they have or what class they usually are, what resolution they play in, how much they lag, etc. Instead of just "DO YOU LOSE LOTS? DO YOU RAGE OR PLAY GOOD SPORTY GG?" I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1333	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:05:00 - [24] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: This is a link to a poll on polljunkie.com Facts and Figures for Dust514 I am trying to gather the hard facts and figures correlating to game play and isk and the relation between the two. I was unsuccessful in my efforts asking CCP for help with this matter, I was shoved from pillar to post for about a week until I sent a direct email to CCP FoxFour to help clear the matter once and for all, a very helpful guy once you stop calling him CCP SoxFour. Anyway the long and the short of it was that there is a lock down on the figures I am looking for due to that itchy blanket of an N.D.A. It is a 10 question poll with multi choice answers and I thank you all in advance for your efforts. o7 :3 and eppyjerk I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 572	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:22:00 - [25] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: You can come up with statistics to prove anything. 40% of all people know that. There are lies, Dirty lies and statistics.
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 362	Posted - 2014.04.30 08:37:00 - [26] - Quote Arirana wrote: Why not ask more worthwhile questions like how much sp they have or what class they usually are, what resolution they play in, how much they lag, etc. Instead of just "DO YOU LOSE LOTS? DO YOU RAGE OR PLAY GOOD SPORTY GG?" Ok i'll bite, just this once.... these questions are worth while, and if you cant figure out what im planning to use these stats for then I pity you sir . o7 DUST 514 is like a Stripper I keep throwing Money at it Hopefully 1 Day it will give me the Ride of my Life
G Torq ALTA B2O 769	Posted - 2014.04.30 09:07:00 - [27] - Quote Archer Yorcot wrote: Well...that's the problem. There IS confusion b/c of the assumptions you've built into the questions and the way you've structured the answer options. No one here is accusing you of malice, I'm just saying that the survey in its current form won't provide you with accurate data. Its good effort and interesting topic, but it just won't yield the results you're hoping for. Like your videos BTW. Keep'em coming. While I agree these aren't optimal, I think we should applaud his initiative and be supportive :) (Yes, I know you're really just trying to help - I didn't want to explain the finer points of this to him, since his face started twitching strangely while discussing the basics) Spread the poll around, get answers - then, later, we can all look at extracting better data, and possibly use this to get CCP to open up a bit... Awry Barux wrote: Also, asking about both win rate and loss rate? Why? It's a binary condition... Actually, it isn't :) If you look at that thirteen-ear guy, I'm guessing he has: * 10% Loss * 25% Win * 65% Did Not Finish Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 362	Posted - 2014.04.30 13:29:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Bethhy wrote: need more all of the above. you could select all 3 if you wanted I would suggest and option next time for dirty heretic.... or rebel scum next time dude I promise BEER TIME !
G Torq ALTA B2O 772	Posted - 2014.04.30 19:32:00 - [29] - Quote Arirana wrote: Why not ask more worthwhile questions like how much sp they have or what class they usually are, what resolution they play in, how much they lag, etc. Instead of just "DO YOU LOSE LOTS? DO YOU RAGE OR PLAY GOOD SPORTY GG?" I'm going to guess that Bamm is looking for something else than what you're thinking he is looking for ... or something else than what you want him to look for. If you want to know something different than what this poll is getting at, then create your own? Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2622	Posted - 2014.04.30 19:36:00 - [30] - Quote Last question - rename '0 hours' to '0-2 hours' I play more than 0 hours per day on dust but not an average of 2+.



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