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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9118	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:01:00 - [1] - Quote It has low damage, so I don't see why not restore it's splash radius. A finisher pistol, doesn't take much skill to use but can't really kill targets on it's own reliably. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2483	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:02:00 - [2] - Quote What, not a gallente weapon? HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes. "I tried so hard and got so far.... but in the end it doesnt even matter."
douch169 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 9	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:04:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: It has low damage, so I don't see why not restore it's splash radius. A finisher pistol, doesn't take much skill to use but can't really kill targets on it's own reliably. douch169 approves this message
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5716	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:06:00 - [4] - Quote The only weapon in this game a Gallente weapon of the same class does better than Minmitar. And sadly they both completely suck. Flaylock with low damage, decent splash sounds good to me.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7439	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:11:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: doesn't take much skill to use And a hit-scan weapon with twice the range, larger clip, and benefits from AA does? Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9119	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:14:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cat Merc wrote: doesn't take much skill to use And a hit-scan weapon with twice the range, larger clip, and benefits from AA does? Not nearly as much as splash based weapons with large splash and no significant arc. Flaylock barely has any arc compared to MD, and it's projectiles travel much much faster. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7439	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:18:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Not nearly as much as splash based weapons with large splash and no significant arc. Flaylock barely has any arc compared to MD, and it's projectiles travel much much faster. Until you realize you could waste your entire ammo capacity and still not kill a tanked suit with Splash Damage. Much faster than what exactly? I'm pretty sure the other pistol's projectile speed is instantaneous. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1982	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:24:00 - [8] - Quote Do you miss ceopyrex videos? They just need to fix aoe damage, i shoot at enemy feet, but zero damage. The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes.. \o/ summon me
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1856	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:30:00 - [9] - Quote Blast Radius needs a change... OR CCP would have to redo their Hit detection Mechanics and Server/client Updating Optimizing for 3 months... So Just make the blast radius bigger.... Can hit sprinting targets directly under them and it won't register at times because of core mechanics in DUST being so sub-par. If your gonna make these gun concepts... Hammer out the core mechanics around it.... Before releasing it.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 943	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:31:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: The only weapon in this game a Gallente weapon of the same class does better than Minmitar. And sadly they both completely suck. Flaylock with low damage, decent splash sounds good to me. I would not say the ION pistol is really better...but you are right both weapons are highly underperforming

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1856	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:37:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: It has low damage, so I don't see why not restore it's splash radius. A finisher pistol, doesn't take much skill to use but can't really kill targets on it's own reliably. Side note... DIrect Damage Decrease with the flaylock makes no sense. If I Shoot the ground beneath someones feet, I DO More damage then if I Shot that explosive round off their head? At some point these nerf or Buff changes done in DUST 514, need to have some common sense Oversight.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 837	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:52:00 - [12] - Quote Lol no. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2446	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:57:00 - [13] - Quote Bigger radius would eventually give it a bigger radius than the Plasma Cannon. Yes, the Flaylock is pathetic, but if you buff its radius, you're going to have to do the same to the Plasma Cannon and YOU KNOW how CCP hates that thing. Even more so than the Flaylock Pistol.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1254	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:59:00 - [14] - Quote No. The weapon profile is comparable to Massdriver. As it is a sidearm, which, by the way shoots faster than it's bigger brother it's in a good place now. It still has splash damage/radius enough. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2936	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:01:00 - [15] - Quote hell no. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7441	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:02:00 - [16] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: No. The weapon profile is comparable to Massdriver. As it is a sidearm, which, by the way shoots faster than it's bigger brother it's in a good place now. It still has splash damage/radius enough. I challenge you to use a Core Flaylock and record your stats. Now do the same with SCPs and BPs, and them tell me how fine the weapon is. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1254	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:15:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: Repe Susi wrote: No. The weapon profile is comparable to Massdriver. As it is a sidearm, which, by the way shoots faster than it's bigger brother it's in a good place now. It still has splash damage/radius enough. I challenge you to use a Core Flaylock and record your stats. Now do the same with SCPs and BPs, and them tell me how fine the weapon is. No wai. I hate that weapon with a passion. As a user and a recipient. Tbh, I might have been traumatized by it so I may not be one to say what to do with it. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 6016	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:48:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Repe Susi wrote: No. The weapon profile is comparable to Massdriver. As it is a sidearm, which, by the way shoots faster than it's bigger brother it's in a good place now. It still has splash damage/radius enough. I challenge you to use a Core Flaylock and record your stats. Now do the same with SCPs and BPs, and them tell me how fine the weapon is. I wonder sometimes if people actually use the weapons they talk about or just pretend they do, I'm inclined to believe the later. From someone who uses the flaylock regularly: The flaylock was hit too hard, CCP's habit in dealing with gear is either to buff it to extremes (tanks), nerf an over powerd gear slightly (scrambler weapons), or hit it with multiple nerfs at the same time. (AR, Flaylock, Sniper, missiles). As listed the flaylock is a case of the last, let's look at it's nerfs then: Direct damage: I'm sure we can all agree this was unnecessary. Splash damage: Needed, perhaps a bit harsh due to a 3 round clip. Splash radius: An explosive weapon it takes a hit to it's radius size at ground level and on uneven areas, the MD, Plasma cannon, and missiles also suffer this, (oddly enough granades don't seem to) get a flaylock up high and you can hill less tanked suits with it, so it's radius size is enough in theory, not so much in practice. The main problem with the flaylock of old is that it was deployed in a time when explosive weapons were the only weapons with regularly applied hit detection, this gave it the illusion of being 'Massively OP' due to it's power as a contender to the scrambler pistol, let's be honest: if the flaylock was deployed just a month ago would so many dislike the weapon? All weapons should be able to kill on their own, period, the argument 'it's a sidearm so it's only ment to finish' is ignorant, use any other sidearm (ion doesn't count, it's flaylock bad) and tell me you NEED to use a main weapon to put someone down: Scrabler pistol. SMG Magsec SMG. Bolt pistol. Nova knives. Out of all of those weapons which one would you say NEEDs a primary to do it's job, the answer is none. I'm not saying the flaylock wasn't without balancing problems, but it got hit FAR harder then it deserves, minmatar gear in general seems to get the nerf/buff bat often.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 628	Posted - 2014.04.29 15:25:00 - [19] - Quote The splash should have never been touched. The only issue with the flaylock before was its ridiculous ROF. Which is funny because thats the one thing CCP didnt touch. #LolCCPbalance&design Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?


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