DUST Search - The damps and precision enhancers should have equal bonuses

Shutter Fly wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Shutter Fly wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

JARREL THOMAS wrote:

The damp - 5% OB

The precision enhancers +5% OB

Just examples and please dont say that then Gal scouts cant see Cal scouts cause then this should fix it.

They are balance as they are, you can't detect a dampened scout and they can't detect you it comes down to your eyeballs. If you made them equal you would always win against a dampened scout.

No they aren't, and no you wouldn't.

Precision is innately higher than Scan Profile on all suits and Profile is also reduced by cloaking, so dampening would retain it's advantage, even if the two modules are even. Because of the nature of the the scanning system, one will always have to win out over the other, but currently it takes much less to beat all scans with dampening (2 slots on a Gal Scout w/o cloak) than it takes to reach minimum precision.

Which is the point. To be able to hide, period. Making it to where you have to give up all slots just to hide is silly. ALso, again, you know that the stacking penalty exists, right?

So why should a Cal scout have to give up all slots to still be guaranteed not to see the Gal scout that only used two?

I recheck all of my calculations before making any statements, implementing the correct stacking penalties.

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JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 276	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:13:00 - [1] - Quote The damp - 5% OB The precision enhancers +5% OB Just examples and please dont say that then Gal scouts cant see Cal scouts cause then this should fix it. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2075	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:18:00 - [2] - Quote Well, they can't. And making several threads over the same topic is against the rules. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1000	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:27:00 - [3] - Quote So one thread about it wasn't enough? Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2834	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:29:00 - [4] - Quote well..this is the first time I've seen this topic sooo +1 OP. makes no sense why the precision is less than the dampener modules. Either make them equal or remove them all.....only way to be sure it's balanced. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 277	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:35:00 - [5] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: So one thread about it wasn't enough? Yep :D Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 277	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:36:00 - [6] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Well, they can't. And making several threads over the same topic is against the rules. Why cant they? Your not giving very good reasons. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Final Resolution. 2594	Posted - 2014.04.26 20:02:00 - [7] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: The damp - 5% OB The precision enhancers +5% OB Just examples and please dont say that then Gal scouts cant see Cal scouts cause then this should fix it. They are balance as they are, you can't detect a dampened scout and they can't detect you it comes down to your eyeballs. If you made them equal you would always win against a dampened scout. For the Federation!
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 331	Posted - 2014.04.26 20:52:00 - [8] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: The damp - 5% OB The precision enhancers +5% OB Just examples and please dont say that then Gal scouts cant see Cal scouts cause then this should fix it. They are balance as they are, you can't detect a dampened scout and they can't detect you it comes down to your eyeballs. If you made them equal you would always win against a dampened scout. No they aren't, and no you wouldn't. Precision is innately higher than Scan Profile on all suits and Profile is also reduced by cloaking, so dampening would retain it's advantage, even if the two modules are even. Because of the nature of the the scanning system, one will always have to win out over the other, but currently it takes much less to beat all scans with dampening (2 slots on a Gal Scout w/o cloak) than it takes to reach maximum precision.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2077	Posted - 2014.04.26 20:57:00 - [9] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Well, they can't. And making several threads over the same topic is against the rules. Why cant they? Your not giving very good reasons. JARREL THOMAS wrote: please dont say that then Gal scouts cant see Cal scouts This. They still won't be able to. Also, you realize that the stacking penalty exists, right? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2077	Posted - 2014.04.26 20:59:00 - [10] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: The damp - 5% OB The precision enhancers +5% OB Just examples and please dont say that then Gal scouts cant see Cal scouts cause then this should fix it. They are balance as they are, you can't detect a dampened scout and they can't detect you it comes down to your eyeballs. If you made them equal you would always win against a dampened scout. No they aren't, and no you wouldn't. Precision is innately higher than Scan Profile on all suits and Profile is also reduced by cloaking, so dampening would retain it's advantage, even if the two modules are even. Because of the nature of the the scanning system, one will always have to win out over the other, but currently it takes much less to beat all scans with dampening (2 slots on a Gal Scout w/o cloak) than it takes to reach minimum precision. Which is the point. To be able to hide, period. Making it to where you have to give up all slots just to hide is silly. ALso, again, you know that the stacking penalty exists, right? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 332	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:11:00 - [11] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: The damp - 5% OB The precision enhancers +5% OB Just examples and please dont say that then Gal scouts cant see Cal scouts cause then this should fix it. They are balance as they are, you can't detect a dampened scout and they can't detect you it comes down to your eyeballs. If you made them equal you would always win against a dampened scout. No they aren't, and no you wouldn't. Precision is innately higher than Scan Profile on all suits and Profile is also reduced by cloaking, so dampening would retain it's advantage, even if the two modules are even. Because of the nature of the the scanning system, one will always have to win out over the other, but currently it takes much less to beat all scans with dampening (2 slots on a Gal Scout w/o cloak) than it takes to reach minimum precision. Which is the point. To be able to hide, period. Making it to where you have to give up all slots just to hide is silly. ALso, again, you know that the stacking penalty exists, right? So why should a Cal scout have to give up all slots to still be guaranteed not to see the Gal scout that only used two? I recheck all of my calculations before making any statements, implementing the correct stacking penalties.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2077	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:14:00 - [12] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: The damp - 5% OB The precision enhancers +5% OB Just examples and please dont say that then Gal scouts cant see Cal scouts cause then this should fix it. They are balance as they are, you can't detect a dampened scout and they can't detect you it comes down to your eyeballs. If you made them equal you would always win against a dampened scout. No they aren't, and no you wouldn't. Precision is innately higher than Scan Profile on all suits and Profile is also reduced by cloaking, so dampening would retain it's advantage, even if the two modules are even. Because of the nature of the the scanning system, one will always have to win out over the other, but currently it takes much less to beat all scans with dampening (2 slots on a Gal Scout w/o cloak) than it takes to reach minimum precision. Which is the point. To be able to hide, period. Making it to where you have to give up all slots just to hide is silly. ALso, again, you know that the stacking penalty exists, right? So why should a Cal scout have to give up all slots to still be guaranteed not to see the Gal scout that only used two? I recheck all of my calculations before making any statements, implementing the correct stacking penalties. Cal Scout wasn't made to scan the Gal scout; it was made to passive scan everyone else, and/or jam everything (SOONtm). click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 312	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:18:00 - [13] - Quote Defense Squad meet crutch. crutch meet unscannable Gal Scout.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 333	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:20:00 - [14] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Cal Scout wasn't made to scan the Gal scout; it was made to passive scan everyone else, and/or jam everything (SOONtm). Source? On both statements. I'm not saying that the Cal scout should ever be able to guaranteed to beat a Gal scout's dampening, but they should be required to at least take comparable measures to counter each other. Something like, a Cal scout with 3 precision should beat a Gal scout with 2 dampeners, but a Gal scout with 3 dampeners beats everything else. That is reasonable, considering 1 damp could be replaced by a cloak for the same effect.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14340	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:23:00 - [15] - Quote Base stats needs to be equalized as well. and TBH Sensors 2.0 CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 333	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:26:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Base stats needs to be equalized as well. and TBH Sensors 2.0 This. Ultimately, the whole system needs an overhaul. The current system guarantees that one absolutely has to completely counter the other, which means there will always be one side that is dissatisfied and less effective.


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