Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.04.26 20:47:00 -
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This is a bad idea because basic frames and role bonused frames are a bad idea. The foundation is bad. Don't try to build on it. Like you say, just get the Basic frame to 3 and then ignore it. Do that until CCP reworks the foundation.
Thankfully EVE doesn't have basic hulls and role bonused hulls. What an awful system.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.04.27 15:27:00 -
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AmlSeb wrote:Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:This is a bad idea because basic frames and role bonused frames are a bad idea. The foundation is bad. Don't try to build on it. Like you say, just get the Basic frame to 3 and then ignore it. Do that until CCP reworks the foundation.
Thankfully EVE doesn't have basic hulls and role bonused hulls. What an awful system. I don-Št know if trolling or just completely stupid
I don-Št know if trolling or just completely stupid
 What a moron.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
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Posted - 2014.04.27 16:48:00 -
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We'll use Caldari ships and suits as an example.
In EVE...
You need the Spaceship Command skill to higher levels to unlock larger ships. Spaceship Command gives bonuses to ship agility.
Caldari Frigate 1 will unlock all 6 of the Caldari frigates. The Caldari Frigate skill has no bonuses associated with it, but each of the 6 Caldari frigates have unique bonuses associate with them per level of Caldari Frigate. So you only need level 1 to fly all of them, but higher levels grant better bonuses. These are Tech 1 ships.
Tech 2 ships, such as CovOps, require [Race] Frigate to 5 (in this case Caldari) and the CovOps skill to 1. The CovOps is a general skill, where the frigate was a racially specific skill. If I have CovOps 1 and Caldari Frigate 5, I can fly Caldari CovOps and Stealth Bombers. If I later get Amarr Frigate to 5, I'll be able to fly Amarr CovOps and Stealth Bombers with the same CovOps skill from earlier. Tech 2 ship command skills also have prereqs outside of their skill tree. For example, CovOps requires Electronics Upgrades 5.
In DUST...
You need the Dropsuit Command skill to higher levels to unlock different suits. At this point, CCP decided to throw EVE's excellent system out the window.
Not only is there no bonus to Dropsuit Command (used to be a bonus to scan profile, iirc), there is no reason to ever train it past 3. Level 1 unlocks racial medium suits, 2 unlocks racial light suits, and 3 unlocks racial heavy suits. There's no size hierarchy like EVE.
Caldari Medium Dropsuit will unlock 1 suit, and likewise with light and heavy suits. A useless Basic Frame with no bonuses associated with the skill or the suit. Some people like to consider basic frames as some kind of analogue to EVE's Tech 1 ships. They're not.
Role bonused suits are likewise compared to EVE's Tech 2 ships. They're not. By training Caldari Medium Dropsuit to 3, you unlock access to Caldari Assault and Caldari Logistics with no benefit along the way as you would have in EVE. Further, the role bonused skills require no cross skill tree training, like in EVE. Also, the role bonused skills in DUST are racially specific, unlike in EVE.
Basic Frames are useless and are not T1 analogues. Role bonused frames are not T2 analogues. CCP further complicated matters by adding tiers.
The awful system that we have in DUST would translate into EVE something like this.
Skill Caldari Frigate 1 to get access to a STD non role bonused Condor, 3 for an ADV non role bonused Condor, and 5 for a PRO non role bonused Condor.
When you got to CalFrig 3 you could unlock Caldari Interceptor and and Caldari Assault. Get level 1 for a STD role bonused Condor (that's sometimes identical to the non role bonused Condor, but with a role bonus....) Then level 3 for ADV, and level 5 for PRO.
There is no T1 or T2. Also these would be the only ships in that class that the Caldari had.
CCP has an amazing game in EVE. With DUST, they decided to throw out everything that made EVE successful. The skill tree is just one example.
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