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Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2129	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:45:00 - [1] - Quote Why must it suck so gratuitously? It does less damage per second than a basic swarm launcher. The PLC's direct damage should be multiplied by 1.5 or even doubled. PLC DPS: 1050/(0.6 + 3.5) = 256.09 DPS STD SL DPS: 880*3/(1.4 + 1.4 + 1.4 + 4.50) = 303.44 DPS Nerdier than thou
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2939	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:57:00 - [2] - Quote Direct damage makes a dual wielding commando far more effective than a forge gun heavy for short term AV. GalMando would be hitting for 2500 damage per PLC. Which is more than Breach FG. There are more ways to balance than pure damage - a snare effect (courtesy of Himiko) or a burn effect would be far better, I think. ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2129	Posted - 2014.04.25 05:03:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Direct damage makes a dual wielding commando far more effective than a forge gun heavy for short term AV. GalMando would be hitting for 2500 damage per PLC. Which is more than Breach FG. There are more ways to balance than pure damage - a snare effect (courtesy of Himiko) or a burn effect would be far better, I think. Okay, I was too bold when I said double the damage. But it still shouldn't get outDPSed by a STD swarm launcher, a snare effect doesn't solve that and CCP has already said that they're not going to be implementing damage over time for technical reasons, at least not soon or even SoonTM. It needs something that compensates for its combination of single shot, charge time, slow projectile, and arc. It is literally bad in every possible way. Nerdier than thou
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12700	Posted - 2014.04.25 06:04:00 - [4] - Quote CCP has this thing about Gallente weapons. It gives them painfully short usable range or some gimmick like the ludicrously slow plasma shot, and then of course the weapon has to pay for that wonderful range luxury that they have with a large amount of damage. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1358	Posted - 2014.04.25 08:07:00 - [5] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Why must it suck so gratuitously? It does less damage per second than a basic swarm launcher. The PLC's direct damage should be multiplied by 1.5 or even doubled. PLC DPS: 1050/(0.6 + 3.5) = 256.09 DPS STD SL DPS: 880*3/(1.4 + 1.4 + 1.4 + 4.50) = 303.44 DPS it has less than 256 dps because there is a delay after firing before you can actually reload
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2652	Posted - 2014.04.25 08:21:00 - [6] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Direct damage makes a dual wielding commando far more effective than a forge gun heavy for short term AV. GalMando would be hitting for 2500 damage per PLC. Which is more than Breach FG. There are more ways to balance than pure damage - a snare effect (courtesy of Himiko) or a burn effect would be far better, I think. What is wrong with a Plasma Cannon doing more damage per shot than a Forge Gun? Why should Forgeguns have more Damage and more Range? Plasma Cannons take more skill and require you to get closer, they should reward that with damage. At least 1.5x the damage it does currently... Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1358	Posted - 2014.04.25 09:17:00 - [7] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Direct damage makes a dual wielding commando far more effective than a forge gun heavy for short term AV. GalMando would be hitting for 2500 damage per PLC. Which is more than Breach FG. There are more ways to balance than pure damage - a snare effect (courtesy of Himiko) or a burn effect would be far better, I think. What is wrong with a Plasma Cannon doing more damage per shot than a Forge Gun? Why should Forgeguns have more Damage and more Range? Plasma Cannons take more skill and require you to get closer, they should reward that with damage. At least 1.5x the damage it does currently... I fear that common sense and logic does not apply to dust all the scrubs just dont want challenge thus they do not want anything that could challenge them. a PLC buff would mean that the scubs have to adapt and use brain.
TODDSTER024 Revive Repair Resupply 199	Posted - 2014.04.25 09:20:00 - [8] - Quote I want a musket
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 165	Posted - 2014.04.25 10:43:00 - [9] - Quote was thinkn it was more like a rpg . long reload,1 shot av but wtf charge up and arcing shot and it travel time is bs hell i bet a scout could out run it . what the hell were they thinkn when they made it . fiz bfg hits for 3500 damage and plus 256% on the magic spot
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8967	Posted - 2014.04.25 11:17:00 - [10] - Quote People are forgetting that the PLC has a 1.5 seconds "lock time" in which after you fire the PLC, you can't do ****. Then the weapon switch time, and then the time it takes to put out another shot, you're looking at around 2.5 seconds between each shot. That brings down the DPS down to 1000 if EVERYTHING is done right to the milisecond, and after two shots it has to go through the full 3.5 seconds reload time, EACH. So excuse me, but even if the PLC did 2000 damage per shot, it wouldn't be OP using a commando. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1358	Posted - 2014.04.25 11:25:00 - [11] - Quote I am too tired to again mention all the PLC issues again. I have done it plenty of times, once I even got a blue answer aka "we know, SOON TM", nothing changed after months and I simply gave up.
G Torq ALTA B2O 721	Posted - 2014.04.25 11:32:00 - [12] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Why must it suck so gratuitously? It does less damage per second than a basic swarm launcher. The PLC's direct damage should be multiplied by 1.5 or even doubled. PLC DPS: 1050/(0.6 + 3.5) = 256.09 DPS STD SL DPS: 8803/(1.4 + 1.4 + 1.4 + 4.50) = 303.44 DPS I'd observe that those are base-values, and you should look at using the PLC specifically against shield-based vehicles; your PLC now does 307 DPS, and the swarms 253 dps. Yes, vehicles have both shields and armor, but you need to look at what it has more of, and use the correct weapon. Also, try to either tag-team, or work with a suit that can apply 2 types of damage (flux+swarms, PLC+AV-nade). Team Fairy DUST* HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1358	Posted - 2014.04.25 11:37:00 - [13] - Quote G Torq wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Why must it suck so gratuitously? It does less damage per second than a basic swarm launcher. The PLC's direct damage should be multiplied by 1.5 or even doubled. PLC DPS: 1050/(0.6 + 3.5) = 256.09 DPS STD SL DPS: 880*3/(1.4 + 1.4 + 1.4 + 4.50) = 303.44 DPS I'd observe that those are base-values, and you should look at using the PLC specifically against shield-based vehicles; your PLC now does 307 DPS, and the swarms 253 dps. Yes, vehicles have both shields and armor, but you need to look at what it has more of, and use the correct weapon. Also, try to either tag-team, or work with a suit that can apply 2 types of damage (flux+swarms, PLC+AV-nade). unfortunately, with the reload and DELAY after firing it you hit ~200 dps with that thing AGAINST SHIELDS. and then you have to be close, aim ahead against moving vehicles and hit. if you manage this then there is still a chance that one of the following bugs happen: non registering hits, ghost projectiles, bugged reloads that shoot an instant projectile that deals no damage.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 938	Posted - 2014.04.25 11:48:00 - [14] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Direct damage makes a dual wielding commando far more effective than a forge gun heavy for short term AV. GalMando would be hitting for 2500 damage per PLC. Which is more than Breach FG. There are more ways to balance than pure damage - a snare effect (courtesy of Himiko) or a burn effect would be far better, I think. To be honest refusing to buff a weapon just because one suit gets a bonus to it is stupid. Although I agree that damage is not the only way to buff a weapon this shouldn't be off the table just because one suit gets a bonus to this weapon...as this weapon can be used on any suit and therefore should be viable on any suit.
SKULL ERASER Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 6	Posted - 2014.04.25 12:28:00 - [15] - Quote Great troll firearm, would bang again. Hurdle the living, trample the dead.


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