DUST Search - Question To The HAV Community ~About 'Rep Stacked Madrugars

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Duran Lex wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

A armor hardener offers 25% at all levels, that is equal to 1000hp, 2 proto reps can give you 361 i think so in 3 seconds you have regained that 1000hp

Hardener is useless now and a plate just makes you slower while you cut your reps in half

We now have less skills, less mods, less slots, less vehicles, less variety so less playstyles

Are hardeners useless, or are Reps far too effective and the reason for stacking?

Could it be similar to the reasoning of Sentinels tendency to stack enhanced plates over complex because its far more effective for our suits, making the complex plate for Sentinels "useless"?

For me

Hardeners are now useless

As for reps the old active could rep back like 5k armor i think, but now they are passive when really shield regen should be passive and always rep back x amount per second while armor is originally active

If the reps get nerfed then we have useless hardeners and useless reps and plates are pretty crap also

The entire vehicle tree needs to be redone because its all ******

Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors
Part 2: Armor & Shield
Part 3: Modules & Skills
Part 4: Vehicles
Part 5: Overview

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Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7095	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:39:00 - [1] - Quote Atiim wrote: Harpyja wrote: It just goes to show that the only viable and most effective fit(s) that is/are left use repper stacking. The only two fits I'd see myself using at this point (if I was specced into armor tanks instead of shield tanks) would either be rep-rep-plate or rep-rep-rep. And would you like to explain how Armor Repairer stacking is the only viable fit? Or is anything that can be reasonably killed by it's weakness (Swarm Launchers, all other AV by extension) not considered viable? Pretty Much This ^ HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1118	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:40:00 - [2] - Quote Atiim wrote: Atiim wrote: Harpyja wrote: It just goes to show that the only viable and most effective fit(s) that is/are left use repper stacking. The only two fits I'd see myself using at this point (if I was specced into armor tanks instead of shield tanks) would either be rep-rep-plate or rep-rep-rep. And would you like to explain how Armor Repairer stacking is the only viable fit? Or is anything that can be reasonably killed by it's weakness (Swarm Launchers, all other AV by extension) not considered viable? Pretty Much This ^ Because hardeners were nerfed too much. I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7095	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:41:00 - [3] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Because hardeners were nerfed too much. Nerfed too much? Or nerfed to the point where you need something other than Base HP if you want to last against AV? HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 494	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:42:00 - [4] - Quote I use Plate - Plate - Rep Or Plate - Rep - Hardener -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1118	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:44:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Because hardeners were nerfed too much. Nerfed too much? Or nerfed to the point where you need something other than Base HP if you want to last against AV? Nerfed too much Not worth hsing over broken reo combo Not worth jsing on gunlogi if we had other mods I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7095	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:44:00 - [6] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: I use Plate - Plate - Rep Or Plate - Rep - Hardener Is it viable? HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1118	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:46:00 - [7] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: I use Plate - Plate - Rep Or Plate - Rep - Hardener I ran plate rep hard right when 1.8 was rekeased Quickly went to rep rep hard as it saved resources and has better tank lol I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3461	Posted - 2014.04.22 18:54:00 - [8] - Quote A armor hardener offers 25% at all levels, that is equal to 1000hp, 2 proto reps can give you 361 i think so in 3 seconds you have regained that 1000hp Hardener is useless now and a plate just makes you slower while you cut your reps in half We now have less skills, less mods, less slots, less vehicles, less variety so less playstyles
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Top Men. 107	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:02:00 - [9] - Quote Triple rep maddys are strong vs solo AV troops and other blaster tanks, with the exception of Ion cannons. They are also extremely vulnerable to missile tanks, forge guns (when they're finally fixed), and any level of railgun. those maddy drivers are over confindent and i find they tend to fall into AV traps, such as proximity mins on known vhicle bottle necks. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 753	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:06:00 - [10] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: A armor hardener offers 25% at all levels, that is equal to 1000hp, 2 proto reps can give you 361 i think so in 3 seconds you have regained that 1000hp Hardener is useless now and a plate just makes you slower while you cut your reps in half We now have less skills, less mods, less slots, less vehicles, less variety so less playstyles Are hardeners useless, or are Reps far too effective and the reason for stacking? Could it be similar to the reasoning of Sentinels tendency to stack enhanced plates over complex because its far more effective for our suits, making the complex plate for Sentinels "useless"?

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3462	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:12:00 - [11] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: A armor hardener offers 25% at all levels, that is equal to 1000hp, 2 proto reps can give you 361 i think so in 3 seconds you have regained that 1000hp Hardener is useless now and a plate just makes you slower while you cut your reps in half We now have less skills, less mods, less slots, less vehicles, less variety so less playstyles Are hardeners useless, or are Reps far too effective and the reason for stacking? Could it be similar to the reasoning of Sentinels tendency to stack enhanced plates over complex because its far more effective for our suits, making the complex plate for Sentinels "useless"? For me Hardeners are now useless As for reps the old active could rep back like 5k armor i think, but now they are passive when really shield regen should be passive and always rep back x amount per second while armor is originally active If the reps get nerfed then we have useless hardeners and useless reps and plates are pretty crap also The entire vehicle tree needs to be redone because its all ****** Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 759	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:19:00 - [12] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: A armor hardener offers 25% at all levels, that is equal to 1000hp, 2 proto reps can give you 361 i think so in 3 seconds you have regained that 1000hp Hardener is useless now and a plate just makes you slower while you cut your reps in half We now have less skills, less mods, less slots, less vehicles, less variety so less playstyles Are hardeners useless, or are Reps far too effective and the reason for stacking? Could it be similar to the reasoning of Sentinels tendency to stack enhanced plates over complex because its far more effective for our suits, making the complex plate for Sentinels "useless"? For me Hardeners are now useless As for reps the old active could rep back like 5k armor i think, but now they are passive when really shield regen should be passive and always rep back x amount per second while armor is originally active If the reps get nerfed then we have useless hardeners and useless reps and plates are pretty crap also The entire vehicle tree needs to be redone because its all ****** Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview Then wouldn't a simple solution be to continue to nerf them a bit more to remove the HAV's huge force mutlplier and make them susceptible to destruction, while reducing the cost to be in line with dropsuits? You would still have a higher TTK then any dropsuit due to your stats, would still be extremely effective against AI and AV, and not cost a dime more then your infantry AV counterpart? Or is it truly unacceptable to die multiple times in a match like infantry have to? And also like infantry, squadding with a competent group could mean you might not die at all. This is not good?
Orin the Freak The Solecism of Limitation 804	Posted - 2014.04.22 19:22:00 - [13] - Quote the problem is, vehicles shouldn't even be in this game. They are so far out of balance, and whenever they try to bring them into balance with infantry, the vehicle people scream foul play, and cry until CCP buffs them, or nerfs AV, which is where we are at right now, so the AV guys are crying foul play... It's a ridiculous see-saw effect that will only be fixed by either removing vehicles, or maybe adding in MTAC's, which may be the great balancer in damage and HP. fast enough to evade tanks, small enough EHP to be destroyed by infantry, etc. However, I think a good way to nerf tanks is to nerf that tracking speed. it's ridiculous that a tank can track infantry, when in EVE, a large turret can't even lock on to a small target.


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