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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
1511
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Posted - 2014.04.22 07:36:00 -
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it occurs to me that dust now has way too much customisation where its far easier to just change your fittings to fill a role than it is to actually use a suit designed for that role.
now my math may be a little out because i'm not on dust to double check but you will get the general idea.
4 races containing
3 heavy suits each
3 commando suits
3 assault
3 logi
3 scouts
and 3 basic of each type
what does this equate to.
6 heavy suits per race
3 commando suits per race (cant remember if they have basic ones)
6 assaults
3 logis
6 scouts
what does this give us in actual terms of what players use them for. (combined totals for all races)
24 heavy suits
12 commandos
96 assault suits (inc assault logi,heavy with light weapons,commando's,tanked scouts)
96 logis (anyone that can carry equip can be a logi)
36 scouts (inc converted logi's)
now thats just basic customisation.
bare this in mind, 96 suits can fit cloaks
I will logi the s* out of you
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
186
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Posted - 2014.04.22 07:52:00 -
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So.... what's the problem again?
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2034
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Posted - 2014.04.22 07:57:00 -
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funny when I play a match all I see are heavies, scouts and tanks..... not very much customization there....
this game makes me sad....
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
1172
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Posted - 2014.04.22 07:59:00 -
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Nooooo!
Choice is OP 
"...and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death."
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2898
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:00:00 -
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Yeh why is this a problem, its an open market place you buy the kit you think u need.
Really you need to stop thinking in terms of classes and roles and more think about what stuff does my team need to bring to the field. I love the fact that its perfectly possable to have a bad fit
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
728
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:01:00 -
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Now we are qqing because we have a too many things?? Really?
Minmatar loyalist!
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2898
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:03:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:funny when I play a match all I see are heavies, scouts and tanks..... not very much customization there....
Thats because you have rubish situational awareness thats not the games fault
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
744
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:27:00 -
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Op has never played eve confirmed.
There's like what 30-40 maybe 50 ship hulls for each race?
That's 120-160-200 for all 4 and a couple Jove ships
add in various faction ships an we have we have over 200
Then tech 2 variants add even more. Then the few tech 3s.
Lol we have far to few suits.
Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles!
Heroes in a half Gank!
TURTLE POWER!!!
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2936
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:02:00 -
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Yes, you can fit any suit to fill any role - that is the point of the system. The kicker is that some suits are better suited to certain roles than others.
You can make a stealthy heavy but a scout is able to become much much more stealthy.
You can make a logi scout but an actual logi will be able to carry more equipment and be more effective with certain pieces.
Of course certain suits are currently being outperformed in their specialist role but that will change once CCP pulls their finger out and does the rest of the balancing pass they started in 1.8.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2196
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:04:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:So.... what's the problem again?
OP is a carebear and wants to make Dust Battlefield.
Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
396
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:09:00 -
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I can not facepalm to the OP hard enough .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
3556
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:10:00 -
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Dust is incredibly shallow compared to EVE.
It needs more depth, not less. Accessibility is for tards. |
Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2039
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:13:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:funny when I play a match all I see are heavies, scouts and tanks..... not very much customization there.... Thats because you have rubish situational awareness thats not the games fault
trolololololololololololololololololol
this game makes me sad....
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Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:24:00 -
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Dust doesn't have enough customization. We need a weapon fitting screen instead of this "variant" crap we have now. |
steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2899
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:39:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:funny when I play a match all I see are heavies, scouts and tanks..... not very much customization there.... Thats because you have rubish situational awareness thats not the games fault trolololololololololololololololololol
I was rushed ok :-P i didnt have time to think of anything better
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
2884
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:47:00 -
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Oh noes i actually have to pick a suit that fits my playstyle. This has to be reverted back to the closed beta days where each category only had 1 suit. So that my mind can be at ease without the problems to select a race.
Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
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Baltazar Pontain
Phantom Universe Task Force
Die Fremdenlegion
129
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:52:00 -
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No sir.
Diversity is good.
If it overwhelms you ask for fitting ideas for e ample in this forum.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5196
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:24:00 -
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Take a look any Armored Core game then get back to us about how DUST has too much customisation. |
Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2607
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:39:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:it occurs to me that dust now has way too much customisation where its far easier to just change your fittings to fill a role than it is to actually use a suit designed for that role.
now my math may be a little out because i'm not on dust to double check but you will get the general idea.
4 races containing
3 heavy suits each
3 commando suits
3 assault
3 logi
3 scouts
and 3 basic of each type
what does this equate to.
6 heavy suits per race
3 commando suits per race (cant remember if they have basic ones)
6 assaults
3 logis
6 scouts
what does this give us in actual terms of what players use them for. (combined totals for all races)
24 heavy suits
12 commandos
96 assault suits (inc assault logi,heavy with light weapons,commando's,tanked scouts)
96 logis (anyone that can carry equip can be a logi)
36 scouts (inc converted logi's)
now thats just basic customisation.
bare this in mind, 96 suits can fit cloaks
To start off you can remove tiered suits from the equation.
Std and Proto are technically the same suit.
There are
3 HV, 3MID, 2LGHT suits per race that's 11 suits a race and 44 in total.
Secondly you can never have to much customization.
The idea is in the end there will be enough customization to rival BRINK, that there are so many different possibilities that there almost no 2 suits that are the same.
Excluding Tiers we have 20 light weapons which equates to at least 880 different combinations, of suits with light weapons.
An additional 16 suits with heavy weapons and nearly 11,200 different combinations by sidearms are involved. Thos is still excluding modules and equipment choices.
Yet suprisingly COD Black Ops 2 has more combinations at over 60,000 and that's just from there weaponry.
There isn't nearly enough customization in this game, not by a long shot.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
816
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:45:00 -
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Hmm, welcome to New Eden?
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1233
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:50:00 -
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Funny, cause they have reduced the customization in vehicles quite dramatically.
Be careful of what you wish for, in particular when CCP/Shanghai is the one that would deliver the solution. 
Also, the entire reason for anything in Dust is to burn SP.
Deliver something new, Mercs burn SP, Nerf Hammer it. Rinse, repeat. Sell AUR if they don't have the time or the skill.
And so it goes.
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21yrOld Knight
Pradox XVI
Proficiency V.
790
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Posted - 2014.04.22 12:35:00 -
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Is general discussion becoming a place for bad ideas.
Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous
General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous
Who else thinks I'm Famous?
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2030
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Posted - 2014.04.22 12:36:00 -
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LOL Go away, ADAM-AND-STEVE.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
5186
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:16:00 -
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Not enough.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1530
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:17:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:it occurs to me that dust now has way too much customisation where its far easier to just change your fittings to fill a role than it is to actually use a suit designed for that role.
now my math may be a little out because i'm not on dust to double check but you will get the general idea.
4 races containing
3 heavy suits each
3 commando suits
3 assault
3 logi
3 scouts
and 3 basic of each type
what does this equate to.
6 heavy suits per race
3 commando suits per race (cant remember if they have basic ones)
6 assaults
3 logis
6 scouts
what does this give us in actual terms of what players use them for. (combined totals for all races)
24 heavy suits
12 commandos
96 assault suits (inc assault logi,heavy with light weapons,commando's,tanked scouts)
96 logis (anyone that can carry equip can be a logi)
36 scouts (inc converted logi's)
now thats just basic customisation.
bare this in mind, 96 suits can fit cloaks
Dust is OP
CCP is OP
Customization is OP
Choices are OP
Should be 1 suit + 1 Weapon for all... |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
1513
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:21:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:Op has never played eve confirmed.
There's like what 30-40 maybe 50 ship hulls for each race?
That's 120-160-200 for all 4 and a couple Jove ships
add in various faction ships an we have we have over 200
Then tech 2 variants add even more. Then the few tech 3s.
Lol we have far to few suits.
there are only 10 ships in eve left for me to train into.
and no there is absolutely zero comparison between dust and eve regarding customisation. you don't see an eve stealth bomber flying up to a titan and firing a few bombs at it and a couple of volleys from its main weapon and destroying it or a logistics cruiser taking out a carrier from long range or even battleships with small turrets doing roaming around solo
yes eve has customisation but there is a massive disadvantage to not fitting to your bonuses. in dust there is virtually no disadvantages and you can easily convert 1 suit to do almost exactly the same role as another.
as it stands we have 96 suits that can be fit virtually identical in damage and tank ability. what is the reason to actually spec into more than 1 suit. there isn't any except to try heavy weapons
I will logi the s* out of you
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