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Juno Tristan
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.04.20 11:22:00 -
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Having been on both sides of the de-cloak shotgun to the back of the head scenario I think cloaking needs a change
The issue is the most effective counter to cloaking is another scout on your team with high scan precision and this seems too much like the 1.7 build 'you need a tank to beat a tank scenario'
What I propose is a very short scan profile spike (visible to medium suits and maybe heavies) when the cloak is activated/deactivated.
This would deter the quick cloak - shotgun - cloak play that a lot of people dislike, would reward quick reactions and attention to the minimap
Thoughts?
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Abraham Baby Fish
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Caps and Mercs
11
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:43:00 -
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NO NO AND NO!
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Juno Tristan
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:14:00 -
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WHY WHY and WHY? |
LittleCuteBunny
421
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:40:00 -
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Caldari Scout and Gallente Logi are the counters, although gallente Scout is undetectable to both if it uses 2 complex dampeners
Retired.
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Juno Tristan
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:17:00 -
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LittleCuteBunny wrote:Caldari Scout and Gallente Logi are the counters, although gallente Scout is undetectable to both if it uses 2 complex dampeners
but that's my point, should it take a scout to beat a scout? |
Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2029
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:21:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:LittleCuteBunny wrote:Caldari Scout and Gallente Logi are the counters, although gallente Scout is undetectable to both if it uses 2 complex dampeners but that's my point, should it take a scout to beat a scout?
Gal scout's point is to hide. Making that not so would be idiotic. No.
Also, use your eyes, and you can see a scout cloaked or not.
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Juno Tristan
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.04.20 18:19:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
Also, use your eyes, and you can see a scout cloaked or not.
I am aware, what I'm proposing doesn't change that, I'm just looking for a counter to cloaked scouts that isn't more scouts |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1331
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Posted - 2014.04.20 18:58:00 -
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LittleCuteBunny wrote:Caldari Scout and Gallente Logi are the counters, although gallente Scout is undetectable to both if it uses 2 complex dampeners
actually all the scouts are invisible to gallente logi when cloaked.
the cal scout needs 3 precision enhancers to pick up a gallante scout cloaked without damps. |
Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
393
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:08:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Having been on both sides of the de-cloak shotgun to the back of the head scenario I think cloaking needs a change
The issue is the most effective counter to cloaking is another scout on your team with high scan precision and this seems too much like the 1.7 build 'you need a tank to beat a tank scenario'
What I propose is a very short scan profile spike (visible to medium suits and maybe heavies) when the cloak is activated/deactivated.
This would deter the quick cloak - shotgun - cloak play that a lot of people dislike, would reward quick reactions and attention to the minimap
Thoughts?
I agree with a spike when decloaking, but not entering cloak as this doesn't make much sense.
The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE
Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2031
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:41:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Also, use your eyes, and you can see a scout cloaked or not.
I am aware, what I'm proposing doesn't change that, I'm just looking for a counter to cloaked scouts that isn't more scouts
This nerfs actual scouts. Still no.
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
393
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:46:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Also, use your eyes, and you can see a scout cloaked or not.
I am aware, what I'm proposing doesn't change that, I'm just looking for a counter to cloaked scouts that isn't more scouts This nerfs actual scouts. Still no.
Exactly right as this is what they need, and will get.
The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE
Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2031
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:55:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Also, use your eyes, and you can see a scout cloaked or not.
I am aware, what I'm proposing doesn't change that, I'm just looking for a counter to cloaked scouts that isn't more scouts This nerfs actual scouts. Still no. Exactly right as this is what they need, and will get.
Why does actual scouts need nerfing? That makes 0 sense. you've lost all credibility
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
866
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:35:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Also, use your eyes, and you can see a scout cloaked or not.
I am aware, what I'm proposing doesn't change that, I'm just looking for a counter to cloaked scouts that isn't more scouts This nerfs actual scouts. Still no. Exactly right as this is what they need, and will get.
I see smurfs everywhere, if this were not the case I may agree with you.
A Brave New Eden
Forge a new destiny
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
394
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:51:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Also, use your eyes, and you can see a scout cloaked or not.
I am aware, what I'm proposing doesn't change that, I'm just looking for a counter to cloaked scouts that isn't more scouts This nerfs actual scouts. Still no. Exactly right as this is what they need, and will get. Why does actual scouts need nerfing? That makes 0 sense. you've lost all credibility
Wait and see, lol.....
The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE
Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
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Juno Tristan
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:48:00 -
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The issue I have is on my main I'm skilled into scouts and if the opposition starts spamming cloaked shotgun scouts I can use my EWAR scout suit to counter this
on my Alt i'm skilled into Med/Heavies and if the opposition starts spamming cloaked shotgun scouts I have no counter, we can all the the shimmer in front of us but any half decent scout will not just run at you, a de-cloak spike means at least i know where they are exactly (i.e. if I'm being shot from behind is someone getting me with a CR and they're further away or is it a shotgun 2m away)
I am aware that squading up is always the solution but if i'm planning on just playing a couple of games i'd like the option to run solo
now aside from HTU, any comments on the idea? |
Kilo Shells
G.L.O.R.Y
RISE of LEGION
45
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Posted - 2014.04.21 17:03:00 -
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It's a pretty interesting idea
Would definitely put more emphases on higher tier cloaks, since the basic one is extremely manageable.
True Caldari Assault
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Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
99
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Posted - 2014.04.21 23:12:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Wait and see, As for credibility, OSG doesn't have it .....!
Even those of us who agree with you? A good idea doesn't hinge upon the credibility of the proponent. It should stand on its own.
Cloaks can definitely use a modest nerf or a useful counter. Active scanners are very nearly useless now. I might carry them again if the window of space they scanned were increased by 90 degrees on each side AND their precision were modified by any precision enhancers I fit.
As a logi, I shouldn't be less inclined to equip a scanner, than wearing a cloak myself.
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Denn Maell
PIanet Express
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
323
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Posted - 2014.04.22 04:29:00 -
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Anything that makes the Profile stat more dynamic rather than a static cutoff bar sounds like a very interesting concept, IMHO.
The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field:
One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
714
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Posted - 2014.04.22 04:43:00 -
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I'd say it'd be fine for decloaking not cloaking.
You also need to decloak completely before shooting. 
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
927
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:14:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Also, use your eyes, and you can see a scout cloaked or not.
I am aware, what I'm proposing doesn't change that, I'm just looking for a counter to cloaked scouts that isn't more scouts This nerfs actual scouts. Still no. Exactly right as this is what they need, and will get.
This I don't get I still encounter way more heavies than scouts, and most scouts I encounter are easy to beat. That's not so true for most heavies thanks to their incredible high HP pools paired with the highest dps automatic weapon...
Yes i can beat a lot of heavies but beating scouts is still easier as long as you know what you are doing. Regarding scouts you have quite a amount of good counters.
A scout, a gal logi, any suit handled by a player with good situational awareness. So I really don't see any need for a nerf on scouts.
To be precise I don't see any need for suit nerfs currently. The only change I would like to see is a small assault buff, mainly in CPU/PG.
IMHO with 1.8 we get a rather good balance between suits. Scouts are feared and annoying as they should be, heavies are hard to come by especially when they are defending as it should be and logies are great at supporting their team and racking up wp as it should be.
Sure you hav some sort of hybrid fits floating around lik brick tanked scouts or cloaked assaults/logis or speed tanked heavies, but thats totally fine for me as every hybrid suits is less specialized and has to made some sacrifices. |
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