You know that mechanic where when you get shot it seems like you're stuck in sludge? You know which weapons it benefits the most? Well lets break it down, the more you get shot the more you get/stay slowed down. So it should be painfully obvious that weapons with high ROF like the Combat Rifle, HMG, and SMG, benefit most from this mechanic. The AR does more DPS than the ACR, but because of the sludge mechanic the ACR has better applied DPS. Since that was CCPs great fix to "hit detection," all hail the greatness of CCP.

Based on my math the ACR has more DPS than the AR...

ACR (BK42) Damage 20; RoF 1200 => DPS:400
AR (GEK38) Damage 31,5; RoF 750 =>DPS:~393

The difference get even greater thanks to the better damage profile now throw in more range...and you get the reason the CR/ACR is so popular

Based on my math the ACR has more DPS than the AR...

ACR (BK42) Damage 20; RoF 1200 => DPS:400
AR (GEK38) Damage 31,5; RoF 750 =>DPS:~393

The difference get even greater thanks to the better damage profile now throw in more range...and you get the reason the CR/ACR is so popular

Also, the inexplicable Damage Profile that Projectile weapons get for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
This adds an effective 10 DPS/+2.5% Damage to Combat Rifles. Not much but its still without reason.
Their Damage Profile should be adjusted to -5/+5.

Along with the Fact that ACRs actually just do have more DPS than ARs, for no reason at all.
This is more of a problem of ARs being relatively underwhelming compared to the other full-auto rifles. Than anything though.

So, even without the "sludge" effect, Combat Rifles/Projectile Weapons would be quite OP, and removing that still wouldn't balance them.

I'm really tired of seeing people talk about the unnecessary damage profile the CR has for "no reason." It's Minmatar tech, that's the reason. Everything Minmatar has is made to be versatile, which is why the damage profile is the way it is. Now the CR having more DPS than say the AR, that is something that should not be. But to say the damage profile is "OP" and makes no sense, is simply just asinine.

Every weapon is supposed to have their little niche, and the CR's primary niche is versatility in damage. The AR is supposed to have supreme face raping DPS, the ScR is supposed to have good damage with good range, and the RR is supposed to have godly range with decent damage.

Tbh, it should be -15/+15 to be more in line with projectile weapons in EVE. I do however understand that CCP wants Projectile weapons to be versatile in Dust.

-5/+5 is still versatile. More versatile than any other weapons at least.

Yep, the CR's simply have to high of a DPS
Imo we should leave the ACR and buff the AR to make it the true CQC rifle
The burst CR just needs a short delay between each burst to bring its dps down to reasonable levels.

Yep, the CR's simply have to high of a DPS
Imo we should leave the ACR and buff the AR to make it the true CQC rifle
The burst CR just needs a short delay between each burst to bring its dps down to reasonable levels.

Or lower the RoF on the assault variant and change the damage profiles.

Or lower the RoF on the assault variant and change the damage profiles.

How would that help the AR? It would still be inferior to pretty much everything else.

Nothing will help the AR.

CCP/Shanghai needs you to spend SP. So every new weapon will be better than the AR. Any overall weapon Nerf Hammer will also ding the AR so no matter what, the AR will continue to be negatively effected by all actions from CCP/Shanghai.

Instead of Nerf Hammering the AR they can add weapons and increase the number of options for game play. What they do instead is force Mercs to the new weapon because of their dedication to their planned FOTM.
Or because they are clueless. Your choice.


Welcome to Dust, where your best weapon will get Nerf Hammered. Don't forget to buy your AUR booster!

You know that mechanic where when you get shot it seems like you're stuck in sludge? You know which weapons it benefits the most? Well lets break it down, the more you get shot the more you get/stay slowed down. So it should be painfully obvious that weapons with high ROF like the Combat Rifle, HMG, and SMG, benefit most from this mechanic. The AR does more DPS than the ACR, but because of the sludge mechanic the ACR has better applied DPS. Since that was CCPs great fix to "hit detection," all hail the greatness of CCP.

The main reason the combat rifle(CR) out preforms the assault rifle(AR) is the fact that the CR is good against armour whereas the AR is good against shield. Think about it most of the player base tank armour I hardly ever see a shield tanked suit; (exempt Caldari scouts) so with this truth shed a light if most of the player base used shield tanked suits the AR would out preform the CR. Sad though true right right? htfu?

Dont forget to wear your tinfoil hat.

Nothing will help the AR.

CCP/Shanghai needs you to spend SP. So every new weapon will be better than the AR. Any overall weapon Nerf Hammer will also ding the AR so no matter what, the AR will continue to be negatively effected by all actions from CCP/Shanghai.

Instead of Nerf Hammering the AR they can add weapons and increase the number of options for game play. What they do instead is force Mercs to the new weapon because of their dedication to their planned FOTM.
Or because they are clueless. Your choice.


Welcome to Dust, where your best weapon will get Nerf Hammered. Don't forget to buy your AUR booster!