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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:25:00 -
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really under powered
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2743
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:11:00 -
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I... don't see how this is evidence of anything? Like, at all?
ak.0 4 LYFE
I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
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Spike Slania
CREATURES OF THE NIGHT
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:13:00 -
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He's trying to be sarcastic and showing off his last battle report, he showed that he is able to use an op gun to get kills while using a lack luster suit.
I'm not too far from you, I can't wait to see you, again and again
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
6919
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:14:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:I... don't see how this is evidence of anything? Like, at all? ^
I've gotten similar scores with a Scout in 1.5. Didn't mean anything.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
5700
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:15:00 -
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Congrats, you did well.
I went 12-2 with dual plasma cannons once.
Plasma Cannons are obviously not under powered
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
657
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:16:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Congrats, you did well. I went 12-2 with dual plasma cannons once. Plasma Cannons are obviously not under powered i went 5-1 with dual flaylocks once, post nerf.
It'll help define roles, i promise:)
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8570
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:17:00 -
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I went 60/3 with a pre 1.8 scout. Does that mean they were just fine before?
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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Heimdallr69
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
2129
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:19:00 -
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I once went 460-0 in my jet. And it's wayy underpowered
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1329
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:29:00 -
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cute when scrubs try to look clever |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
3067
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:30:00 -
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Now do it with a AR.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Yeeeuuuupppp
The Lionheart Coalition
250
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:32:00 -
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My bugged adv amarr assault agrees - 42/2 (I was in to much of a rush to grind the sp yesterday so I didn't bother taking a picture )
CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9"
Mic status: Muted
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Ripcord19981
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn
546
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:56:00 -
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Spike Slania wrote:He's trying to be sarcastic and showing off his last battle report, he showed that he is able to use an op gun to get kills while using a lack luster suit. or......... He was using a minmatar only setup. Not everyone is a fotm chaser.
I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either.
Turkey sammich>taco
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Echo 1991
WarRavens League of Infamy
215
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:59:00 -
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wow, using an OP gun on the suit that gives it more bullets. Way to go! |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
934
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:02:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I went 60/3 with a pre 1.8 scout. Does that mean they were just fine before?
They weren't as terrible as many would like to think.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you!
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1990
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:02:00 -
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i just went 41/1 in a minmatar ADV basic frame with ACR :P
its not hard.
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4808
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:03:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I went 60/3 with a pre 1.8 scout. Does that mean they were just fine before? Yeah?
I'm from the weird side of the internet
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Heimdallr69
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
2130
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:07:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:cute when scrubs try to look clever Really? Are you calling me a scrub? Lolz all I havta do is look at your corp to know who the "scrub" is.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2747
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:21:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Jack McReady wrote:cute when scrubs try to look clever Really? Are you calling me a scrub? Lolz all I havta do is look at your corp to know who the "scrub" is.
The lack of the quote suggests that he was directing that at OP.
ak.0 4 LYFE
I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
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Heimdallr69
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
2130
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:26:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Jack McReady wrote:cute when scrubs try to look clever Really? Are you calling me a scrub? Lolz all I havta do is look at your corp to know who the "scrub" is. The lack of the quote suggests that he was directing that at OP. Reread, then look at OP I was the one being a troll
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Yan Darn
Science For Death
628
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:57:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:I... don't see how this is evidence of anything? Like, at all? ^ I've gotten similar scores with a Scout in 1.5. Didn't mean anything.
^^
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10452
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:06:00 -
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Any good player can do well with an underpowered suit, doesn't mean the suit isn't underpowered. Your personal experience proves or disproves nothing.
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Patrick57
7083
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:20:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:wow, using an OP gun on the suit that gives it more bullets. Way to go! So, using a gun that gets a bonus from the suit he's wearing = OP?
Hell is empty and all the devils are here.
-William Shakespeare
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Echo 1991
WarRavens League of Infamy
217
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:30:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:wow, using an OP gun on the suit that gives it more bullets. Way to go! So, using a gun that gets a bonus from the suit he's wearing = OP? No. The fact that the gun is OP is what im getting at. The suit just makes it better. |
Ripcord19981
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn
550
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Posted - 2014.04.20 01:11:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:wow, using an OP gun on the suit that gives it more bullets. Way to go! So, using a gun that gets a bonus from the suit he's wearing = OP? No. The fact that the gun is OP is what im getting at. The suit just makes it better.
Run the fitting he was running and let me know how much of those bullets you let out before getting insta killed. Furthermore, using the CR isnt the reason for his score. Any good player could get them in the Matari suit. Hell, some people use their sidearms on that fit and get those numbers.
I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either.
Turkey sammich>taco
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1236
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Posted - 2014.04.20 01:15:00 -
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Ripcord19981 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:wow, using an OP gun on the suit that gives it more bullets. Way to go! So, using a gun that gets a bonus from the suit he's wearing = OP? No. The fact that the gun is OP is what im getting at. The suit just makes it better. Run the fitting he was running and let me know how much of those bullets you let out before getting insta killed.
Fitting was
Adv min assault BK-42 assault craft M209 assault SMG M1 nade Nanohive 2enhanced shield extenders 1 complex sshield extender Std kind at Std armour repper
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.04.20 01:19:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Ripcord19981 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:wow, using an OP gun on the suit that gives it more bullets. Way to go! So, using a gun that gets a bonus from the suit he's wearing = OP? No. The fact that the gun is OP is what im getting at. The suit just makes it better. Run the fitting he was running and let me know how much of those bullets you let out before getting insta killed. Fitting was Adv min assault BK-42 assault craft M209 assault SMG M1 nade Nanohive 2enhanced shield extenders 1 complex sshield extender Std kind at Std armour repper Nice fit. I ran those guns on my old cal assault and I now run those on my cal scout Insanely fun and it's actually pretty anti-scout (mostly Gallente and Amarr). EDIT: That's a below-decent score. But it was pretty close I reckon. A K/D for an assault suit of 7 is decent.
Solo Player
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1995
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Posted - 2014.04.20 01:53:00 -
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For great justice i will share my ADV minmatar Assault suit build
3x complex shield extenders 2x enhanced plates
ADV assault combat rifle ADV assault SMG
flux - for ganking heavys and for when people try to 2-5v1 you (and killing protos)
compact nanohive for regening yoru armor buffer and regaining ammo since the ACR is an ammo hose.
over 800HP to compete with proto
i have proficiancy 5 in combat rifles and 4 in SMGs with all the supporting skills at LEAST at a 4 so that kinda helps.
This is my "i cant believe its not proto" fit and its a monster. scouts MELT, still runs over 7m/s and strafes fast enough to orbit heavys, has enough HP to face tank protos if you start the fight with the advantage and get first blood.
Minmatar is Winmatar
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
6994
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Posted - 2014.04.20 01:56:00 -
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It's not an issue about Assaults being UP, but an issue of Assaults being outperformed.
Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS]
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1998
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Posted - 2014.04.20 02:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:It's not an issue about Assaults being UP, but an issue of Assaults being outperformed.
they arnt being out performed....
whats happening is that the scout crazy is causing a sort of mass delusion, the delusion is that assault suits are gimped in some way becuase they have nothing that makes them FEEL special.
the reality is they are the most well rounded of all the classes and have no weaknesses in that they can counter anything and handle any situation.
faster then commandos and smaller hitbox that balances having less HP making commandos only really good for AV
alot faster then heavys, can control the fight and use range and movement to take them out.
has enough HP that they can just spray and prey the scouts away.
has that sidearm... people underestimate how awesome it is to have a sidearm... you know how many more deaths i would have if i had to reload instead of just swapping to my SMG?
Assault suits are good at everything and bad at nothing.
other suits are amazing at one thing and bad at several others in exchange.
Minmatar is Winmatar
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2380
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Posted - 2014.04.20 02:40:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:wow, using an OP gun on the suit that gives it more bullets. Way to go! This.
Use Gallente Assault with AR. |
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Doctor Day
THE SUPERHEROS
103
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Posted - 2014.04.20 02:45:00 -
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Nice op gun there.
Obvious troll is Obvious
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2762
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Posted - 2014.04.20 03:02:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Atiim wrote:It's not an issue about Assaults being UP, but an issue of Assaults being outperformed. they arnt being out performed.... whats happening is that the scout crazy is causing a sort of mass delusion, the delusion is that assault suits are gimped in some way becuase they have nothing that makes them FEEL special. the reality is they are the most well rounded of all the classes and have no weaknesses in that they can counter anything and handle any situation. faster then commandos and smaller hitbox that balances having less HP making commandos only really good for AV alot faster then heavys, can control the fight and use range and movement to take them out. has enough HP that they can just spray and prey the scouts away. has that sidearm... people underestimate how awesome it is to have a sidearm... you know how many more deaths i would have if i had to reload instead of just swapping to my SMG? Assault suits are good at everything and bad at nothing. other suits are amazing at one thing and bad at several others in exchange.
What are scouts bad at, again?
ak.0 4 LYFE
I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
788
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Posted - 2014.04.20 05:59:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Atiim wrote:It's not an issue about Assaults being UP, but an issue of Assaults being outperformed. they arnt being out performed.... whats happening is that the scout crazy is causing a sort of mass delusion, the delusion is that assault suits are gimped in some way becuase they have nothing that makes them FEEL special. the reality is they are the most well rounded of all the classes and have no weaknesses in that they can counter anything and handle any situation. faster then commandos and smaller hitbox that balances having less HP making commandos only really good for AV alot faster then heavys, can control the fight and use range and movement to take them out. has enough HP that they can just spray and prey the scouts away. has that sidearm... people underestimate how awesome it is to have a sidearm... you know how many more deaths i would have if i had to reload instead of just swapping to my SMG? Assault suits are good at everything and bad at nothing. other suits are amazing at one thing and bad at several others in exchange. What are scouts bad at, again? Dying obviously
Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
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alias lycan
Arrogance.
22
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:04:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:For great justice i will share my ADV minmatar Assault suit build
3x complex shield extenders 2x enhanced plates
ADV assault combat rifle ADV assault SMG
flux - for ganking heavys and for when people try to 2-5v1 you (and killing protos)
compact nanohive for regening yoru armor buffer and regaining ammo since the ACR is an ammo hose.
over 800HP to compete with proto
i have proficiancy 5 in combat rifles and 4 in SMGs with all the supporting skills at LEAST at a 4 so that kinda helps.
This is my "i cant believe its not proto" fit and its a monster. scouts MELT, still runs over 7m/s and strafes fast enough to orbit heavys, has enough HP to face tank protos if you start the fight with the advantage and get first blood. I thought I was the only one that used this suit. Although I use locus grenades because I like to blow people up. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2005
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Posted - 2014.04.20 11:42:00 -
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alias lycan wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:For great justice i will share my ADV minmatar Assault suit build
3x complex shield extenders 2x enhanced plates
ADV assault combat rifle ADV assault SMG
flux - for ganking heavys and for when people try to 2-5v1 you (and killing protos)
compact nanohive for regening yoru armor buffer and regaining ammo since the ACR is an ammo hose.
over 800HP to compete with proto
i have proficiancy 5 in combat rifles and 4 in SMGs with all the supporting skills at LEAST at a 4 so that kinda helps.
This is my "i cant believe its not proto" fit and its a monster. scouts MELT, still runs over 7m/s and strafes fast enough to orbit heavys, has enough HP to face tank protos if you start the fight with the advantage and get first blood. I thought I was the only one that used this suit. Although I use locus grenades because I like to blow people up.
fluxes are my counter to heavys and groups, and my opener if im really low on HP, i could probably put an M1 in there instead but since my weapons are all projectile anyone with high shields isnt taking enough damage from the locus and ill probably lose alot of fights i would otherwise win with flux.
Plus fluxes work through walls/floors and ceilings and when you get good at bouncing them off things you can flux people in new and amazing ways, locus just doesnt bounce the same nore can it hit through walls and cover.
Minmatar is Winmatar
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2588
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Posted - 2014.04.20 12:09:00 -
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Lets be honest people this is in no way proof of anything.
1) Mosselia is a vet, has been here long enough to know her way round a battlefield. 2) There is no proof she didn't go round in a squad with 5 reapair tools latched onto her. 3) There is no evidence of the level of skill of her opponents, they might have all been mlt 4) There is literlaly nothing that allows you to draw any valid conclusionss from this.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens League of Infamy
218
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:05:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Atiim wrote:It's not an issue about Assaults being UP, but an issue of Assaults being outperformed. they arnt being out performed.... whats happening is that the scout crazy is causing a sort of mass delusion, the delusion is that assault suits are gimped in some way becuase they have nothing that makes them FEEL special. the reality is they are the most well rounded of all the classes and have no weaknesses in that they can counter anything and handle any situation. faster then commandos and smaller hitbox that balances having less HP making commandos only really good for AV alot faster then heavys, can control the fight and use range and movement to take them out. has enough HP that they can just spray and prey the scouts away. has that sidearm... people underestimate how awesome it is to have a sidearm... you know how many more deaths i would have if i had to reload instead of just swapping to my SMG? Assault suits are good at everything and bad at nothing. other suits are amazing at one thing and bad at several others in exchange. Explain how they are better at anything a scout can do. As far as i have noticed, scouts can have more hp, move faster, carry 2 proto weapons and little downside and be immune to scans. The fact that you had one good game proves nothing. I can get scores like that in a dragonfly scout with a normal combat rifle. If you think assaults are really good try the gallente assault with an AR. You'll get some kills but if you are in an open area you will probably die. |
DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
662
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:20:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I went 60/3 with a pre 1.8 scout. Does that mean they were just fine before? Battle academy doesn't count
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
514
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:16:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Now do it with a AR. Are you trying to say the AR isn't good? |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1237
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:22:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Lets be honest people this is in no way proof of anything.
1) Mosselia is a vet, has been here long enough to know her way round a battlefield. 2) There is no proof she didn't go round in a squad with 5 reapair tools latched onto her. 3) There is no evidence of the level of skill of her opponents, they might have all been mlt 4) There is literlaly nothing that allows you to draw any valid conclusionss from this.
The only thing we can do is look at the maths. 1) The maths shows Assault Combat Rifles aren't nearly as overpowered as you believe, it has a range advantage of just 6m over the AR and comparable DPS, HOWEVER the maths also shows the projectile damage profile (which is applied to the ACR ) is overpowered. This is what requires fixing to balance the Combat Rifles.
2) The maths shows that a Gallante Scout is capable of achieving 700 Armour and about 280 Shields, this is a higher EHP than the minmatar assault suit is capable of. This also includes the Gallante Scout having, better dampening, similar speed, better passive scanning, a cloak, innate repair of 3HP/s and the same weapon slots.
3) The maths shows that Scouts (with the exception of the minmatar) can easily reach values of EHP rivaling the assault suits without loosing any of the benifits of being a scout. This proves that scouts are overpowered by comparison to Assaults.
4) The maths proves that sentinel suits can reach wild extremes both in repping and in total EHP with the Gallante Sentinel reaching 1900 EHP before resistamces are applied, which includes 25% resistance to splash damage.
5) The maths shows that by comparison to sentinels Assaults are underpowered, the only drawback to a Sentinel being the HMGs lack of range. Which can easily be countered by using a light weapon instead.
This shows the Assault Suit currently is underpowered, it has no tactical advantage over other suit weights, no special abilities or unique weaponry.
same suit setupdifferent game
Just because I'm a vet doesn't mean anything, if anything it shows the averageness and capability of the 'weakest' assault suit.
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