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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1989
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:26:00 -
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i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1989
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:36:00 -
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Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy?
well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp...
then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you
then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1990
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:49:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. 
i think you missed the point where if you segregate the community further the player pool you can play against will be TINY
so either 15-30min que times... or your fighting the exact same people over and over again the teams only changing when new players log on and old ones log off or stop queing up.
the solution to the problem is a bigger player pool not a smaller one.
because a stomp squad queing for ADV tier is still going to get put into a game with you due to lack of other players available in the que.
segregating the players in any way makes matchmaking and stomping even worse.
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1990
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:57:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:
No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from
no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1990
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:00:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it...
that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1990
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:11:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again?
my suggestion is to not implement things that will not only make the problem worse and not fix anything but also create new problems.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1990
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:56:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:
Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support.
Thanks for your input
i think you misunderstood what i said..
game = broken
this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW
clear enough for you?
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1990
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:58:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:
It sounds to me (us), that you just dont want to go against people, who could actually beat you on a reg basis.
please explain to me how you came to that conclusion based off me saying "games broke, this solution breaks it even more"
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1991
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:10:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:howard sanchez wrote:
Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support.
Thanks for your input
i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve.
let me expand on this, the second you seperate gameplay into these kind of tiers it opens things up to massive abuse
militia tier will be DOMINATED by max passive skilled vets running around in heavys suits with militia ARs, and no other suits going to be able to take that down 1v1.
basic tier will be dominated by HMG heavys, nothing else can compair in this bracket.
ADV tier will be balanced for the most part but all the proto stompers will organise here in MINMAXED suits the same way they do in proto now, its just they will do it in advanced suits meaning the exact same problem we have now will still exsist.
proto will be a ghost town.
so 2 completly broken brackets dominated by minmaxing metagaming assholes, 1 semi balanced bracket dominated by the same prople who proto stomp now
and one ghost town.
nothing fixed, community devided for no reason whatsoever.
new players who can only use militia will be stuck in the militia bracket against assholes who have figured out how to make a dropsuit/tank/anything invicable in that bracket, they will be stomped even ahrder then ever before making the NPE even worse then it is now (assuming no other changes)
anyone who advances to basic will face the same minmaxed results as people looking for easy kills will MINMAX the absolute hell out of that bracket as well and stomp anything and everything to pad their KDR.
becuase of how easy it is to make a new character, people WILL just make new characters to stomp with if their matchmaking ratings go too high and they get bad matchups for MLT and STD brackets.
theres so many things wrong with this solution that its very very difficult for me to illustrate it all at once... but this solution not only doesnnt solve the current stomping problem but it causes 2 new stomping problems we dont currently have.
and thats assuming player levels are higher and matchmaking works.
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1991
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:17:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:howard sanchez wrote:
Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support.
Thanks for your input
i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve. let me expand on this, the second you seperate gameplay into these kind of tiers it opens things up to massive abuse militia tier will be DOMINATED by max passive skilled vets running around in heavys suits with militia ARs, and no other suits going to be able to take that down 1v1. basic tier will be dominated by HMG heavys, nothing else can compair in this bracket. ADV tier will be balanced for the most part but all the proto stompers will organise here in MINMAXED suits the same way they do in proto now, its just they will do it in advanced suits meaning the exact same problem we have now will still exsist. proto will be a ghost town. so 2 completly broken brackets dominated by minmaxing metagaming assholes, 1 semi balanced bracket dominated by the same prople who proto stomp now and one ghost town. nothing fixed, community devided for no reason whatsoever. new players who can only use militia will be stuck in the militia bracket against assholes who have figured out how to make a dropsuit/tank/anything invicable in that bracket, they will be stomped even ahrder then ever before making the NPE even worse then it is now (assuming no other changes) anyone who advances to basic will face the same minmaxed results as people looking for easy kills will MINMAX the absolute hell out of that bracket as well and stomp anything and everything to pad their KDR. becuase of how easy it is to make a new character, people WILL just make new characters to stomp with if their matchmaking ratings go too high and they get bad matchups for MLT and STD brackets. theres so many things wrong with this solution that its very very difficult for me to illustrate it all at once... but this solution not only doesnnt solve the current stomping problem but it causes 2 new stomping problems we dont currently have. and thats assuming player levels are higher and matchmaking works. Ok, so now that you elaborated on your position. It is clear you did not read my whole post. I said we need more than just gear in MM, so what you just said, wont happen.
it will happen, its impossable for it not to happen.
unless you want 30-40min wait times for games.
why? because the same people who can minmax the living daylights out of thigns can rig matchmaking.
i can always tell when my matchmaking rating goes up in the matchmaking we have right now. and to fix that i just run joke fits for a week and then enjoy 3 more weeks of stomping.
not only that but becuase 2 of those brackets are super easy to get into on a completly fresh character you can make a new character every damn week with a refreshed matchmaking rating and just stomp the living daylights out of the mlt and basic tiers
when your matchmaking rating gets too high you delete the character and make a new one.
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1991
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:43:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:So you admit to being part of the problem and surprise surprise, you don't want it fixed.
If a few want to remake characters to only stomp, so be it, but the majority will move on and play the way they should.
i run around in ADV gear all day, and since i run solo and my matchmaking rating is stupid high i run AGAINST full proto stomping squads :P
your welcome
and your assertation that i dont want it fixed is inccorect and unfounded, if i diddnt want it fixed i wouldnt be posting in this thread trying to explain why this solution not only doesnt fix it but makes it worse. if i diddnt want it fixed i would be voting for this, as it makes one sided stomping ALOT easyer
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1992
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Posted - 2014.04.19 20:41:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Takron Nistrom wrote:
No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from
no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool since you cant eliminate the stomping and improve the matchmaking without the larger player pool, your not going to get a larger player pool. Then you have to break the squads as well i.e. std/militia battles do not allow pre-formed squads at all. This should diminish the number of stomps that are going on. The harder the problem is the more brutal the solution will be.
so now we are excluding new players from group play?
the only reason people stick around in this game is when they find people they like to play with and join a corp.
forcing new players into matches well above their gear level in order to socialise isnt exactly a solution that solves anything.
its a great solution for vets who cant/dont want to compete with those high tier stomping crews, and a terrible solution for new players.
want to know the REAL solution? the market!
fac war provides LP and most importantly salvage, and has the potential to yield really high isk returns.
if the market is introduced properly and everything is worked to incentivise the vetrens who can compete to head to fac war for higher isk returns then pub matches will be for running cheap suits to regain losses quicker so that you can head back intop fac war ASAP for higher isk payouts
I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
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