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Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4788	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:39:00 - [1] - Quote A friend of mine who plays Eve recently downloaded Dust. When he asked me what a nice and versatile suit is, I suggested that he skill either into assaults or commandos. Although he doesn't yet have assault suit skills, he's currently running minmatar medium frames and republic assaults. I ran a 2-man squad with him yesterday, and he actually did pretty damn well for a new player. Usually in the middle (sometimes higher, sometimes lower) of the scoreboard despite being new, using a "gimped" suit. I need to make a point in asking him what his main fit is (all I know is that it uses a breach AR, just skilled into damage mods, and he says flanking is half the battle), but this definitely tells me something: The community is doing something very wrong if assaults are underpowered. I'm from the weird side of the internet
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 690	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:43:00 - [2] - Quote So a friend of you did pretty well in a full day of play in an assault suit? This clearly and without any doubt scientifically prove that assaults arent UP! Minmatar loyalist!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2333	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:45:00 - [3] - Quote The Caldari and Gallente bonuses are crap. Especially the Gallente one since it only helps 2 racial weapons perform at their peak. The Amarr and the Minmatar assaults help out by covering their racial weapons' weaknesses. The Caldari and assault try to do that, but don't help much. Especially the Gallente. How the hell is a Plasma Cannon going to benefit from fire dispersion?
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4788	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:46:00 - [4] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: So a friend of you did pretty well in a full day of play in an assault suit? This clearly and without any doubt scientifically prove that assaults arent UP! Someone fresh out of the academy did well in a standard assault suit, while I hear people bitching about them being gimped on the forums all the time. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4788	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:48:00 - [5] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The Caldari and Gallente bonuses are crap. Especially the Gallente one since it only helps 2 racial weapons perform at their peak. The Amarr and the Minmatar assaults help out by covering their racial weapons' weaknesses. The Caldari and assault try to do that, but don't help much. Especially the Gallente. How the hell is a Plasma Cannon going to benefit from fire dispersion? "Only helps 2 racial weapons" Gallente have 4 racial weapons, and it actually helps 3 of them. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1803	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:49:00 - [6] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: So a friend of you did pretty well in a full day of play in an assault suit? This clearly and without any doubt scientifically prove that assaults arent UP! Anecdotal evidence with tiny sample sizes is best evidence! He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3964	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:51:00 - [7] - Quote Anyone who knows how to flank can do well. Regardless of suit. No.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 786	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:00:00 - [8] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Anyone who knows how to flank can do well. Regardless of suit. Pretty much true, it's all about how you use the suit and how you react to things you'll never be able to detect on the battlefield like a cloaked scout. Even with precision enhancers . Rage at Fanfest??
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4788	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:05:00 - [9] - Quote If you really want, I can put my minmatar heavy thing on hold and go into assaults myself. Whatever kind you want. A thing to remember, however, is that it's caldari weapons that are gimped- not their assaults. Charging is just idiotic. I'm from the weird side of the internet
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 786	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:08:00 - [10] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: If you really want, I can put my minmatar heavy thing on hold and go into assaults myself. Whatever kind you want. A thing to remember, however, is that it's caldari weapons that are gimped- not their assaults. Charging is just idiotic. But once it starts firing they are weapons to be feared, especially that damn rail rifle. Rage at Fanfest??

Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 393	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:10:00 - [11] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Joel II X wrote: The Caldari and Gallente bonuses are crap. Especially the Gallente one since it only helps 2 racial weapons perform at their peak. The Amarr and the Minmatar assaults help out by covering their racial weapons' weaknesses. The Caldari and assault try to do that, but don't help much. Especially the Gallente. How the hell is a Plasma Cannon going to benefit from fire dispersion? "Only helps 2 racial weapons" Gallente have 4 racial weapons, and it actually helps 3 of them. It only affects light weapons, so Ion Pistol gets nothing, silly. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4788	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:12:00 - [12] - Quote da GAND wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: If you really want, I can put my minmatar heavy thing on hold and go into assaults myself. Whatever kind you want. A thing to remember, however, is that it's caldari weapons that are gimped- not their assaults. Charging is just idiotic. But once it starts firing they are weapons to be feared, especially that damn rail rifle. I just don't like wasting bullets by firing when I don't need to- but hey, the caldari assault bonus helps make up for that. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3685	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:14:00 - [13] - Quote Assaults aren't terrible. They just aren't as awesome as everything else, now that every other class has been modified somewhat properly. Comparatively speaking, the Bonuses are the weak spot for what should be the "go-to" slayer suit. Fitting a proper frontline type Assault has always been difficult, with restrictive CPU/PG for the pawn's job it should be doing. If you can do well in an Assault, you'll do amazing in anything else. I GÖú Kittens.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8505	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:15:00 - [14] - Quote Make me the best assault fitting you can make. I'll beat that fit so ******* hard using a scout suit. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2175	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:17:00 - [15] - Quote Doesn't stop lower tier amarr assaults from being a F'ing mess. 2 highs and 1 low for an armor suit with crappy regen? come on! Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4788	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:18:00 - [16] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Assaults aren't terrible. They just aren't as awesome as everything else, now that every other class has been modified somewhat properly. Comparatively speaking, the Bonuses are the weak spot for what should be the "go-to" slayer suit. Fitting a proper frontline type Assault has always been difficult, with restrictive CPU/PG for the pawn's job it should be doing. If you can do well in an Assault, you'll do amazing in anything else. But the assault isn't a slayer suit- it's the everything suit. Commandos are slayers, but aren't fast enough to harass Sentinels are area-denial, but can neither support nor harass Logistics are support, but that's about all they can do Scouts are harassers, but don't have the health to slay or be area-denial Assaults are decent at all of these I'm from the weird side of the internet
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4789	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:20:00 - [17] - Quote But seriously, name an assault and I'll start skilling into it. I'm bored. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2337	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:22:00 - [18] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Joel II X wrote: The Caldari and Gallente bonuses are crap. Especially the Gallente one since it only helps 2 racial weapons perform at their peak. The Amarr and the Minmatar assaults help out by covering their racial weapons' weaknesses. The Caldari and assault try to do that, but don't help much. Especially the Gallente. How the hell is a Plasma Cannon going to benefit from fire dispersion? "Only helps 2 racial weapons" Gallente have 4 racial weapons, and it actually helps 3 of them. AR and Pistol. I don't see it helping the shotgun. It tightens the spread (same as the operation skill) and let me tell ya... Sometimes, you'll miss your target even if they are inside your reticle. Doesn't help the Plasma Cannon at all. The Caldari and Gallente bonuses need to be reworked.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2337	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:24:00 - [19] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Joel II X wrote: The Caldari and Gallente bonuses are crap. Especially the Gallente one since it only helps 2 racial weapons perform at their peak. The Amarr and the Minmatar assaults help out by covering their racial weapons' weaknesses. The Caldari and assault try to do that, but don't help much. Especially the Gallente. How the hell is a Plasma Cannon going to benefit from fire dispersion? "Only helps 2 racial weapons" Gallente have 4 racial weapons, and it actually helps 3 of them. It only affects light weapons, so Ion Pistol gets nothing, silly. Really? Poop. I didn't know. Haven't used assaults in a while so I forgot lol
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4789	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:25:00 - [20] - Quote Well, the posts I've been seeing have decided for me: It seems to be up in the air between caldari and gallente assaults. Caldari are shield tanks, which are also considered to be gimped. Much as I hate their weapons, I'll run caldari assault. I'm from the weird side of the internet

Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2176	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:33:00 - [21] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Well, the posts I've been seeing have decided for me: It seems to be up in the air between caldari and gallente assaults. Caldari are shield tanks, which are also considered to be gimped. Much as I hate their weapons, I'll run caldari assault. Godspeed, sir. I have a Covenant BPO but even with one of those the racial bonus is so underwhelming for the way I play I'll probably never skill into it. Could be useful for laying down an torrents of tac sniper rounds with the quick reload. Keep us posted, will ya? Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4789	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:41:00 - [22] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Joel II X wrote: The Caldari and Gallente bonuses are crap. Especially the Gallente one since it only helps 2 racial weapons perform at their peak. The Amarr and the Minmatar assaults help out by covering their racial weapons' weaknesses. The Caldari and assault try to do that, but don't help much. Especially the Gallente. How the hell is a Plasma Cannon going to benefit from fire dispersion? "Only helps 2 racial weapons" Gallente have 4 racial weapons, and it actually helps 3 of them. It only affects light weapons, so Ion Pistol gets nothing, silly. Just checked- it's sidearms too/ I'm from the weird side of the internet
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3687	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:44:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: But the assault isn't a slayer suit- it's the everything suit It should be the slayer. The way I interpret the roles: Scout - assess the situation Assault/Commando - clear the way Logi - prepare team/squad for resistance Heavy - hold ground (I think the Commando is meant more for solo engagements and securing outlying areas, hknestly.) This doesn't mean that I think this is what you're supposed to do, I appreciate the ability to do whatever you think works, but no other suit is tagged as an offensive point for insurgency. Just early morning wake n' bake thoughts, I may disagree with myself in a bit... I GÖú Kittens.


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