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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1891	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:33:00 - [1] - Quote CCP has a perfectly valid and working system already in place in Eve and yet they had to go a fix something that isn't broken and thereby break it in an epic way. Seriously, cloak is trash. How many times have you been torpedoed by a cloaked hound? Alphaed by a cloaked Maelstrom? I can't believe I actually looked forward to cloaks being added, though I (apparently like a dumbass) thought that they would be in the same vein as Eve cloaks with no timer and a proximity requirement. Why didn't you just go with the same system rather than giving us a system that allows people to stay cloaked nearly constantly and kill from cloak? Is it really that hard to code a timer for the swap to a weapon? IDK why I even bothered with this post, this is time I could've spent playing fun games. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 328	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:37:00 - [2] - Quote GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 121	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:40:00 - [3] - Quote GTFO with that weak bullshit. You know how much hatemail I've received about using a cloak in games when I didn't have one fit? You weak sucks will find any excuse in the world for losing. You lost. You died. Get over it and respawn.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2364	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:40:00 - [4] - Quote Listen CCP needs gimmicks in dust. I guess CCP Rouge is continuing the dust tradition of accepting **** from his dev staff Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Joseph Ridgeson warravens League of Infamy 1172	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:43:00 - [5] - Quote It could have been worse; remember that the Devs wanted you to be able to shoot and stay cloaked but the CPM stated that would be a bad idea. It is just like every change that happens in any game. Change happens, problem is discovered, it has to be fixed. The EVE comparison doesn't work because EVE doesn't have "shooting from the hip" so to speak. You gotta lock if you want to attack (save for Smart Bombs and FoF Missiles); that doesn't work in a FPS. I am almost certain that a delay will be added between decloaking and firing ala Team Fortress 2. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1891	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:47:00 - [6] - Quote Youknowutimsayin wrote: GTFO with that weak bullshit. You know how much hatemail I've received about using a cloak in games when I didn't have one fit? You weak sucks will find any excuse in the world for losing. You lost. You died. Get over it and respawn. KMA RND dipshit ..I.. I don't complain about cloaks, ask anyone who has regularly played with me, I find them to be fun; though having said that, I have heard/read a lot of complaints about cloaks and this was something I felt needed to be said. They are fun in that way that means that I am taking fun from others, you know, that thing called anti-fun (which will only hurt a game with such a small playerbase). Oh and I lose because IDGAF and I run free suits and goof the **** off because it is a game and we're supposed to be having fun (you know, that thing that games are supposed to be). If you actually want to find real competition why not try getting outside and participating in those things called sports. "E-Sports" Gëá Sports Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 270	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:52:00 - [7] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: CCP has a perfectly valid and working system already in place in Eve and yet they had to go a fix something that isn't broken and thereby break it in an epic way. Seriously, cloak is trash. How many times have you been torpedoed by a cloaked hound? Alphaed by a cloaked Maelstrom? I can't believe I actually looked forward to cloaks being added, though I (apparently like a dumbass) thought that they would be in the same vein as Eve cloaks with no timer and a proximity requirement. Why didn't you just go with the same system rather than giving us a system that allows people to stay cloaked nearly constantly and kill from cloak? Is it really that hard to code a timer for the swap to a weapon? IDK why I even bothered with this post, this is time I could've spent playing fun games. L2P? I bet your one of the guys running solo and trying to play like you did in 1.7. The fact you can't is everyones fault and the game. Sad!
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1892	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:54:00 - [8] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: CCP has a perfectly valid and working system already in place in Eve and yet they had to go a fix something that isn't broken and thereby break it in an epic way. Seriously, cloak is trash. How many times have you been torpedoed by a cloaked hound? Alphaed by a cloaked Maelstrom? I can't believe I actually looked forward to cloaks being added, though I (apparently like a dumbass) thought that they would be in the same vein as Eve cloaks with no timer and a proximity requirement. Why didn't you just go with the same system rather than giving us a system that allows people to stay cloaked nearly constantly and kill from cloak? Is it really that hard to code a timer for the swap to a weapon? IDK why I even bothered with this post, this is time I could've spent playing fun games. L2P? I bet your one of the guys running solo and trying to play like you did in 1.7. The fact you can't is everyones fault and the game. Sad! Learn to Read maybe? You didn't read the post at all did you? You just clicked quote and tried to be a smartass. Bravo (In case you can't hear it, I am clapping slowly for you, golf-style). Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2315	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:06:00 - [9] - Quote Cloaks are fine. The only change that would be nice is a slight nerf to the dampning and if you're crouched, you shimmer less. That's it. Other than that, it's pretty balanced. Have you ever thought that maybe you're just bad?
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5116	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:09:00 - [10] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: CCP has a perfectly valid and working system already in place in Eve and yet they had to go a fix something that isn't broken and thereby break it in an epic way. Seriously, cloak is trash. How many times have you been torpedoed by a cloaked hound? Alphaed by a cloaked Maelstrom? I can't believe I actually looked forward to cloaks being added, though I (apparently like a dumbass) thought that they would be in the same vein as Eve cloaks with no timer and a proximity requirement. Why didn't you just go with the same system rather than giving us a system that allows people to stay cloaked nearly constantly and kill from cloak? Is it really that hard to code a timer for the swap to a weapon? IDK why I even bothered with this post, this is time I could've spent playing fun games. QQ MUCH Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread

Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 124	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:10:00 - [11] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Youknowutimsayin wrote: GTFO with that weak bullshit. You know how much hatemail I've received about using a cloak in games when I didn't have one fit? You weak sucks will find any excuse in the world for losing. You lost. You died. Get over it and respawn. KMA RND dipshit ..I.. I don't complain about cloaks, ask anyone who has regularly played with me, I find them to be fun; though having said that, I have heard/read a lot of complaints about cloaks and this was something I felt needed to be said. They are fun in that way that means that I am taking fun from others, you know, that thing called anti-fun (which will only hurt a game with such a small playerbase). Oh and I lose because IDGAF and I run free suits and goof the **** off because it is a game and we're supposed to be having fun (you know, that thing that games are supposed to be). If you actually want to find real competition why not try getting outside and participating in those things called sports. "E-Sports" Gëá Sports The whole point of Dust is to ruin peoples day. They run AdSense ads that literally say 'Do you want to ruin someones day, click here". This is New Eden, HTFU or GTFO. You do know that statistically, FPS is where more athletes/ex jocks play video games; right? That might be why you feel bullied right now.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1892	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:12:00 - [12] - Quote I love how the answer is always as simple as "L2P" or "You're just bad" or "You Suck". I guess that applies to everyone with how often I see it thrown around (especially at as many people as I see it get thrown at). Everyone who points out a flaw or complains about something on behalf of others is bad so everything is fine, move along people. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1043	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:13:00 - [13] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: CCP has a perfectly valid and working system already in place in Eve and yet they had to go a fix something that isn't broken and thereby break it in an epic way. Seriously, cloak is trash. How many times have you been torpedoed by a cloaked hound? Alphaed by a cloaked Maelstrom? I can't believe I actually looked forward to cloaks being added, though I (apparently like a dumbass) thought that they would be in the same vein as Eve cloaks with no timer and a proximity requirement. Why didn't you just go with the same system rather than giving us a system that allows people to stay cloaked nearly constantly and kill from cloak? Is it really that hard to code a timer for the swap to a weapon? IDK why I even bothered with this post, this is time I could've spent playing fun games. For the same reason i can't fit 15m2 of drones in my hull and my angular momentum is negligible. I'm not a spaceship. PEW PEW! Knowledge is power
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 124	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:17:00 - [14] - Quote I've been killed by cloaked scouts, its annoying; but not worth crying about. Adapt, and kill them.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 352	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:21:00 - [15] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: CCP has a perfectly valid and working system already in place in Eve and yet they had to go a fix something that isn't broken and thereby break it in an epic way. Seriously, cloak is trash. How many times have you been torpedoed by a cloaked hound? Alphaed by a cloaked Maelstrom? I can't believe I actually looked forward to cloaks being added, though I (apparently like a dumbass) thought that they would be in the same vein as Eve cloaks with no timer and a proximity requirement. Why didn't you just go with the same system rather than giving us a system that allows people to stay cloaked nearly constantly and kill from cloak? Is it really that hard to code a timer for the swap to a weapon? IDK why I even bothered with this post, this is time I could've spent playing fun games. ^Another Evetard who's bad at FPS^
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1958	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:24:00 - [16] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155813&find=unread here's a link to a thread I made about some ways to balance cloaks. you're right, they could have been an epic addition, instead they are an epic fail, but they are here now and they can become better balanced, I think the proximity detection should have been part of their functionality. I also don't know why ccp didn't add a piece of EWAR equipment to counter cloaks, when they introduced cloaks... makes no sense...+1 this game makes me sad....
Yan Darn Science For Death 615	Posted - 2014.04.17 07:20:00 - [17] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155813&find=unread here's a link to a thread I made about some ways to balance cloaks. you're right, they could have been an epic addition, instead they are an epic fail, but they are here now and they can become better balanced, I think the proximity detection should have been part of their functionality. I also don't know why ccp didn't add a piece of EWAR equipment to counter cloaks, when they introduced cloaks... makes no sense...+1 I think that was supposed to be active scanners. They nerfed active scanners though. A piece of equipment that only counters cloaks is a bit UP (with current mechanics - your changes would alter a lot) It may as well deactivate red uplinks, hives and REs too (maybe active scanners), just have a time limit on to avoid spammage (takes into account that cloaks are currently time limited). My problem is that there is little incentive to stack ewar mods like tank (and damage...) mods. The 'break point' nature of ewar needs adjusting more than anything. As for current cloaks - add the R1 animation to weapon switching. Should solve a lot of cloak specific QQ. Balancing meds frames, armour plates and active scanners should deal with the general scout QQ. The Ghost of Bravo
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 4	Posted - 2014.04.17 07:46:00 - [18] - Quote Yep, cloak implementation is a quick fix to lack of better game mechanics. CCP can't develop very well on the PS3 so they are now trying to find shortcuts to make up for it. Lol, the ban hammer got me!
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 479	Posted - 2014.04.17 07:52:00 - [19] - Quote Youknowutimsayin wrote: GTFO with that weak bullshit. You know how much hatemail I've received about using a cloak in games when I didn't have one fit? You weak sucks will find any excuse in the world for losing. You lost. You died. Get over it and respawn. yeah respwn so we can ninja yo ass again, crybaby
Yan Darn Science For Death 616	Posted - 2014.04.17 07:52:00 - [20] - Quote Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Yep, cloak implementation is a quick fix to lack of better game mechanics. CCP can't develop very well on the PS3 so they are now trying to find shortcuts to make up for it. And flashy. They could have just given us a bonus to Biotics and Ewar mods. But that wouldn't have been flashy. Was there an important shareholder somewhere saying - 'you know all the AAA shooters these days have cloaks - dust doesn't. You should put them in, then people will see it as a AAA game - oh! Oh! Make then need significant SP investment - get those booster sales up'. The Ghost of Bravo

Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 479	Posted - 2014.04.17 08:03:00 - [21] - Quote why the hell are you people bltching about being able to shoot while cloaked anyway thats how ccp originally designed it before cpm asked them to change it to what we got now, ccp wanted players to be ableto fire whole clips before de-cloaking decreasing the timer every shot so quit ur whining about that split second single invisible shot its nothing compared to what it woulda been for whole month, its actually fcking balanced this time around
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 565	Posted - 2014.04.17 08:23:00 - [22] - Quote I really don't see the problem , I can still see them because I guess they don't have scout skills maxed out or the combo that they have on , but I can see them ... I shoot them , I snipe them , I forge them , I HMG their @$$es and I really don't have a problem with them . I have a problem with the flux not having an effect on the cloak . If they kill me .. so be it . It happens . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 565	Posted - 2014.04.17 08:34:00 - [23] - Quote Oh yeah and that shooting while cloaked is kinda screwed but if they keep that they should allow the damage to register from the counter , it seems that it doesn't register because I can't tell .. they stayed cloaked and I can't tell if it's registering sometimes . I get a lot of headshots from fighting cloaked scouts unless I can eat them quick with the HMG but one has to see if it's actually detecting the damage and while they remained cloaked it get's hard to tell sometimes and this needs work . Their fast from sprinting too so that helps them a lot . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2187	Posted - 2014.04.17 08:39:00 - [24] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Why didn't you just go with the same system rather than giving us a system that allows people to stay cloaked nearly constantly and kill from cloak? I'll take a shot in the dark. Maybe... just maybe it is because Dust 514 isn't Eve Online. You don't have a big universe to hide. You have small maps and somebody will probably always be in your proximity. Also contrary to Eve you can still see cloaked players. And they don't have TAC-Net anymore. So use your eyes instead of flaming because you can't play. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2856	Posted - 2014.04.17 09:05:00 - [25] - Quote Clokes are fine the animation for reapearing needs speeding up but the problem is with stuiped and or blind players, cant belive people are banging on about it. Sucks you got killed but thats the scout doing his job its not his fault noone is going scout hunters or keeping aware of their surrounding. "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 496	Posted - 2014.04.17 09:17:00 - [26] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: CCP has a perfectly valid and working system already in place in Eve and yet they had to go a fix something that isn't broken and thereby break it in an epic way. Seriously, cloak is trash. How many times have you been torpedoed by a cloaked hound? Alphaed by a cloaked Maelstrom? I can't believe I actually looked forward to cloaks being added, though I (apparently like a dumbass) thought that they would be in the same vein as Eve cloaks with no timer and a proximity requirement. Why didn't you just go with the same system rather than giving us a system that allows people to stay cloaked nearly constantly and kill from cloak? Is it really that hard to code a timer for the swap to a weapon? IDK why I even bothered with this post, this is time I could've spent playing fun games. Absolutley AGREE. ...sorry for bad English =)
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1492	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:02:00 - [27] - Quote Youknowutimsayin wrote: GTFO with that weak bullshit. You know how much hatemail I've received about using a cloak in games when I didn't have one fit? You weak sucks will find any excuse in the world for losing. You lost. You died. Get over it and respawn. Best post in a while ^
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 496	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:54:00 - [28] - Quote Youknowutimsayin wrote: GTFO with that weak bullshit. You know how much hatemail I've received about using a cloak in games when I didn't have one fit? You weak sucks will find any excuse in the world for losing. You lost. You died. Get over it and respawn. If you're too weak to fight fair - cloak 4 u. You're not a soldier, you harry potter. ...sorry for bad English =)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2660	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:07:00 - [29] - Quote 2 things need to change: 1) The decloaking needs to be faster so you can't fire when cloaked, period. 2) Fluxes should wipe out the cloak meter, just like shields. Why fluxes don't mess with cloaks more is mind-boggling. You do those 2 things and cloaks will be in a good place. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
P14GU3 The Southern Legion League of Infamy 569	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:18:00 - [30] - Quote Give it up guys. Ive noticed a trend in the people defending cloaks. They are all previously-sh!tty players who have found their crutch. They now feel some sense of accomplishment when playing the game. You're breaking their little hearts when you tell them their playstyle is now easymode. Let them have their crutch. At least there is a bit of competition against the non-elite now.. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?



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