It might be a rammer but can it be rammed?

I swear my 150k isk Grimness can withstand 20x the beating my Python can for like 1/4th the price. Yes You need a gunner to gun for you but still, what does that say about Assault Drophips. Also, I would now like to take the time and say that pythons are hideously weak to all sorts of AV. Swarms can now almost kill me in 3 volleys. 3000 shield +.


Also 4075 armor 150 reps per sec Grimness is a great battering ram. I can take out the most toughest of dropships with east surviving with 1000+ armor every time.

I have ~8m SP that is spilled into dropships, small turrets, and vehicle upgrades. Out of that, I have recently turned from my ADS (which I'm still fantastic at ~99% of the time) into using my Grimsnes with one or two gunners. It does rather suck a bit that I can get 4,075 armor on it (without reps) and tank 3 Ishukone AFGs or 2 (sometimes 3) damage modded railgun shots where my ADS can take one or two. I won't even mention swarms.

All for 1/2 the cost of my ADS. The turret is literally half the price of my Grimsnes and as I tell my gunners... "In the off chance we get shot down, you pay for what you use." So my gunners pay for the turrets. (Cheap? I think not. Being poor means needing compromise.)

As it stands right now, I have multiple Grimsnes fittings for various occasions and types. I have found a few capable gunners that make flying even more fun than going solo. A couple are proficient in using small railguns and ravaging the headshots on enemies, one who is amazing with blasters and pretty much all of them are good with missiles (because they don't require a lot of skill).

Also: Pythons really are extremely weak. Who needs missiles when I can bring out an ADV small railgun on my Incubus and pummel his shields into nothing? the only benefit they have is speed and size. Incubi are a little easier to hit because of their larger size and slower movement. What CCP needs to do (as others have stated before) is lower the price of an ADS from ~300k to ~150k. This would make the living a little easier for all the pilots (including myself) who are hurting for cash all the time.

You have to be within 175m to get hit by swarms.. that's so close..

As an ADS pilot you can..

1. Out run a swarm volley.. (you have tons of time to not only regenerate, but get out of range before a second volley hits)

2. Never have to get that close.. (and just simply fly away, or around a corner to dodge)

3. Can out regenerate swarms from 1 person.. (hopefully demoralizing the one person who was actually dealing with you)

4. Bonus : if you're armor tanked you can repair out of being on fire/should be crashing but you're not

Again.. 175m for swarms.. figure out where they're coming at you from and happily annoy everyone further away than that.

Complaining about swarms equates to someone being terrible with a drop ship.

The python is not meant to be tanked at all, it is a hit and run vehicle, capable of dealing massive firepower in a short amount of time, and leaving the area as quickly as it arrived. that is why you don't get a bonus to anything defence, but offencive capabilities. it is a specialized vehicle, so if you want defence, ask CCP to bring back the Logi Ship

The Myron is a piece of crap and can't be fit at all. With ADV side turrets, my Python has about as much health with fewer slots and a proto missile.

Well, you get a front mounted pilot turret on the ADS. Why should it also be better at defense? CCP already got rid of the all around better tanks. Nothing should be all around better.

Offense for defense. Also, shouldn't the whole teamwork thing be in effect for dropships too?

Almost every ambush has had a dropship operating pretty effectively by itself and usually not getting shot down too quickly if at all. I'd say they are in a good place save a bit of love to shield balance.

so true bro. But I can fit 150 reps, 4075 armor, scanner and after burner with one ADV turret. I have a designated gunner who pays 50% of the Dropship. This way we dont lost isk and are able to lose 3 in a game. (rarely lose one though)

Well sure, I can fit that too if I use 1 turret gunner, but I tend to have 2, so I have to sacrifice armor reps for more tank because it helps a lot more in the long run. The problem I have is my gunners are cheap bastards and don't like it when I use proto turrets and we get shot down so they have to fork over 105k, lol.

Something has to be done about DS ramming, it's a ****, stupid MLT DS ramming while hovering an area, tanks do not have this problem anymore, i don't know why they do not fix DS too.

That's why I never use proto turrets. They are overpriced in my opinion.

Also, for 105k I can get a sica that can destroy everything on the field except my flying madrugar.

I use proto turrets because they're better, even if by a small magin and can take away users from the battle to attack me instead of fighting my team so I kill 2 birds with one stone. I don't think your sica would stand very well against a damage modded XT gunner from me, lol. That's why it's worth it to fix proto turrets.

Well. That's If I don't 2 shot you in the air.

Well. That's If I don't 2 shot you in the air.

I swear my 150k isk Grimness can withstand 20x the beating my Python can for like 1/4th the price. Yes You need a gunner to gun for you but still, what does that say about Assault Drophips. Also, I would now like to take the time and say that pythons are hideously weak to all sorts of AV. Swarms can now almost kill me in 3 volleys. 3000 shield +.


Also 4075 armor 150 reps per sec Grimness is a great battering ram. I can take out the most toughest of dropships with east surviving with 1000+ armor every time.