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C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 825	Posted - 2014.04.12 11:53:00 - [1] - Quote Before 1.8 and after 1.8 the min scouts PG stayed the same. It was unchanged. Every other scout has more PG than a min scout. What I could fit on every other scout I cannot fit on my min. Loads of CPU but not the PG to match it. So before you call for all scouts to be nerfed. Spare a thought for us Min scouts and think on how it will effect us, because any nerf directly at scouts will harm the min scout the most. I believe scouts are balanced but its a very controversial topic at the moment. So for the supporters of a scout nerf, not everyone runs the gallente scout. // Fully Specced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guard Director //
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1264	Posted - 2014.04.12 11:54:00 - [2] - Quote Tell me about it, it's not enough if you want to run decent stuff that is. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 597	Posted - 2014.04.12 11:58:00 - [3] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Before 1.8 and after 1.8 the min scouts PG stayed the same. It was unchanged. Every other scout has more PG than a min scout. What I could fit on every other scout I cannot fit on my min. Loads of CPU but not the PG to match it. So before you call for all scouts to be nerfed. Spare a thought for us Min scouts and think on how it will effect us, because any nerf directly at scouts will harm the min scout the most. I believe scouts are balanced but its a very controversial topic at the moment. So for the supporters of a scout nerf, not everyone runs the gallente scout. +1 I have all my pg skills maxed (almost, I will have 2 pg more with optimization 5 in cr), I also use 2 modules that requires 0pg and I still find it hard to Fit my scout.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1133	Posted - 2014.04.12 12:23:00 - [4] - Quote I believe that was the intention of the Min scout Amarr - tanked Minmatar - total opposite, heavy eWar. Cal and Gal - a mix of the two. Specialised in one field. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8283	Posted - 2014.04.12 13:21:00 - [5] - Quote Well... You do have the least PG intensive weaponry in the game. So... do 1+1.... My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1265	Posted - 2014.04.12 13:53:00 - [6] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I believe that was the intention of the Min scout Amarr - tanked Minmatar - total opposite, heavy eWar. Cal and Gal - a mix of the two. Specialised in one field. Heavy ewar on minnie scout? How do you figure that out? DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1265	Posted - 2014.04.12 13:54:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Well... You do have the least PG intensive weaponry in the game. So... do 1+1.... Where's my minnie knives huh? DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1133	Posted - 2014.04.12 13:57:00 - [8] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I believe that was the intention of the Min scout Amarr - tanked Minmatar - total opposite, heavy eWar. Cal and Gal - a mix of the two. Specialised in one field. Heavy ewar on minnie scout? How do you figure that out? Cus it will never be able to tank compared to any other light suit Cus it has the greatest CPU to fit such mods Cus it can have a precision and range of between the two specialists "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1265	Posted - 2014.04.12 14:00:00 - [9] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I believe that was the intention of the Min scout Amarr - tanked Minmatar - total opposite, heavy eWar. Cal and Gal - a mix of the two. Specialised in one field. Heavy ewar on minnie scout? How do you figure that out? Cus it will never be able to tank compared to any other light suit Cus it has the greatest CPU to fit such mods Cus it can have a precision and range of between the two specialists Unfortunately it's natural bonuses have got nothing to do with ewar. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
William HBonney Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 410	Posted - 2014.04.12 14:04:00 - [10] - Quote The only thing it has that is remotely eWar is hacking, and hacking mods cost..you guessed it! PG! The Mini suit is not at all geared towards Ewar...it is geared to hack and knife...which the knives are 8pg at proto and cannot be reduced because knives don't have a opti skill. I like my mini scout, but I know that if I played gallente it would be much better...

Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1133	Posted - 2014.04.12 14:20:00 - [11] - Quote William HBonney wrote: The only thing it has that is remotely eWar is hacking, and hacking mods cost..you guessed it! PG! The Mini suit is not at all geared towards Ewar...it is geared to hack and knife...which the knives are 8pg at proto and cannot be reduced because knives don't have a opti skill. I like my mini scout, but I know that if I played gallente it would be much better... I'm just saying what the stats promote. eWar mods (Hacking isn't eWar) cost zero PG. Loaded up with said mods means you can actually have decent equipment for once on the suit. Any protection mods, hacking mods or speed enhancers and your 2nd equipment slot is largely ornamental. The alternative is a true 'ninja' fit with max dampeners, knives and weapon but you'll still have to sacrifice some protection / use lower tier weapons. and still not much room for equipment. Even if you don't go this route I wouldn't be surprised if you end up putting a precision enhancer on it simply cus you can't put anything else in. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 619	Posted - 2014.04.12 14:32:00 - [12] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I believe that was the intention of the Min scout Amarr - tanked Minmatar - total opposite, heavy eWar. Cal and Gal - a mix of the two. Specialised in one field. The min is not a ewar suit, nor a armor suit, it's a BIOTIC suit. Myros and kinetics endurance an shields all are either huge on CPU anPG and they made it so you can't run full shield and biotic suits plus they give a bonus to a weapon with no pg reduction skill, the theory crafting is broke. If they were worried about dual tanks then they should have skipped the hack bonus an made it biotic mod fitting bonus to discourage dual tank. Then the suit would work as it should. My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
2100 Angels The Southern Legion League of Infamy 339	Posted - 2014.04.12 14:40:00 - [13] - Quote Hang on, so because you can't fit every module slot with proto modules, you want a pg increase? That is exactly what the suits PG levels are designed to limit. Min has more CPU than the other suits, less PG. It's called balance. Heard of a PG Upgrade? Wowee. I run a min scout and I disagree with you entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to complain about more pg.. but if you want it purely so you can fit your ideal modules then pfff to hell with that. Come up with a more efficient fit or choose another suit. They're all designed to have their advantages and disadvantages, not each be a different flavour of vanilla
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1266	Posted - 2014.04.12 14:44:00 - [14] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Hang on, so because you can't fit every module slot with proto modules, you want a pg increase? That is exactly what the suits PG levels are designed to limit. Min has more CPU than the other suits, less PG. It's called balance. Heard of a PG Upgrade? Wowee. I run a min scout and I disagree with you entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to complain about more pg.. but if you want it purely so you can fit your ideal modules then pfff to hell with that. Come up with a more efficient fit or choose another suit. They're all designed to have their advantages and disadvantages, not each be a different flavour of vanilla Because the other suits really need to limit their choices, yes? DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 619	Posted - 2014.04.12 15:06:00 - [15] - Quote William HBonney wrote: The only thing it has that is remotely eWar is hacking, and hacking mods cost..you guessed it! PG! The Mini suit is not at all geared towards Ewar...it is geared to hack and knife...which the knives are 8pg at proto and cannot be reduced because knives don't have a opti skill. I like my mini scout, but I know that if I played gallente it would be much better... I started skilling out of min last summer cuz it was brutal, I can stealth knife in a gal, hunt someone in a cal, or run 10.33 with 750 stamina in my amar and still have 200+ armor an 200+ shields, good weapons and cloak. The min can barely fit 3 shields 2 red, a green an knives, everything else is empty. It doesn't need ewar if it's fast and has stamina and a cloak to damp, it's damage is so its quick swipes kill as it speeds around like in 1.1, but ccp broke this, it makes more sence to just knife in other suits that have way more ehp, stamina, percision , range all built right in instead of forcing the biotic suit to use mod s that are the built in bonuses of other suits and lose HP an speed when it should just be fast and have the damage. I ll sacrifice the 25% to have all the other things a knifer needs on one suit because a tanked heavy still takes more than one charged strike from a min anyway so there's no point in giving up the other suits survival bonuses for a damage bonus that's obsolete due to a fittin abomination that's gonna make you completely inferior to another suit that has the same shields, better percision, more stamina or range. Tbh people cried about the amar but it's landed a better bonus than the min due to all the fitting problems it has. All the suits other than min are better knife fits because the suits have range, stamina , stealth and vision built in, who needs damage when you can SUPRISE anyone, roll the body under a truck and be gone before anyone knows or see them from 60 m out and still run 10.00 Min needs to be balanced around the combination of this type of fit at bare minimum Mk0 3xshields 2red 1grn Comp cloak Pro knives Compact hive or re Bk cr Flux Or Two codes and a red Or Complex reactive Red Green All my scouts can make builds better than these My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 827	Posted - 2014.04.12 15:14:00 - [16] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Hang on, so because you can't fit every module slot with proto modules, you want a pg increase? That is exactly what the suits PG levels are designed to limit. Min has more CPU than the other suits, less PG. It's called balance. Heard of a PG Upgrade? Wowee. I run a min scout and I disagree with you entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to complain about more pg.. but if you want it purely so you can fit your ideal modules then pfff to hell with that. Come up with a more efficient fit or choose another suit. They're all designed to have their advantages and disadvantages, not each be a different flavour of vanilla I have proto min scout and all passive skills maxed. I can tell you now, that PG severely limits your choices compared to other scouts. // Fully Specced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guard Director //
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 341	Posted - 2014.04.12 15:37:00 - [17] - Quote C Saunders wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Hang on, so because you can't fit every module slot with proto modules, you want a pg increase? That is exactly what the suits PG levels are designed to limit. Min has more CPU than the other suits, less PG. It's called balance. Heard of a PG Upgrade? Wowee. I run a min scout and I disagree with you entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to complain about more pg.. but if you want it purely so you can fit your ideal modules then pfff to hell with that. Come up with a more efficient fit or choose another suit. They're all designed to have their advantages and disadvantages, not each be a different flavour of vanilla I have proto min scout and all passive skills maxed. I can tell you now, that PG severely limits your choices compared to other scouts. Totally agree. I have always been Minnie scout and pre 1.8 I made similar arguments to 2100 Angels but after maxxing out my PG in 1.8 and rebuilding my suits its clear the PG is lacking and other races dont have those issues. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3885	Posted - 2014.04.12 15:43:00 - [18] - Quote Welcome to being Minmatar. No.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 387	Posted - 2014.04.12 15:58:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Well... You do have the least PG intensive weaponry in the game. So... do 1+1.... Yet you call for fitting nerfs even though that will further break the Minmatar who are struggling to fit thing .( The only minmatar suit NOT struggling is Proto Sent who lets face it HAS to be glitched. ) I got to ask .... why do you hate the Minmatar ?! No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8290	Posted - 2014.04.12 16:01:00 - [20] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Well... You do have the least PG intensive weaponry in the game. So... do 1+1.... Yet you call for fitting nerfs even though that will further break the Minmatar who are struggling to fit thing .( The only minmatar suit NOT struggling is Proto Sent who lets face it HAS to be glitched. ) I got to ask .... why do you hate the Minmatar ?! wat My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 126	Posted - 2014.04.12 16:05:00 - [21] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: I have always been Minnie scout and pre 1.8 I made similar arguments to 2100 Angels but after maxxing out my PG in 1.8 and rebuilding my suits its clear the PG is lacking and other races dont have those issues. ^ This. Bang?
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 387	Posted - 2014.04.12 16:29:00 - [22] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gelan Corbaine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Well... You do have the least PG intensive weaponry in the game. So... do 1+1.... Yet you call for fitting nerfs even though that will further break the Minmatar who are struggling to fit thing .( The only minmatar suit NOT struggling is Proto Sent who lets face it HAS to be glitched. ) I got to ask .... why do you hate the Minmatar ?! wat Forgive me . I seem to recall you calling for a pg increase on the CR which would definitely break most viable minnie assault and commando fits but now it may have been someone else . If it is my apologies . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2856	Posted - 2014.04.12 16:58:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Well... You do have the least PG intensive weaponry in the game. So... do 1+1.... I run the Flaylock/ NK and mostly EWAR/low to no PG mods and it's still more SP on making things fit than you get to spend on things to fit KRRROOOOOOM
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 599	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:43:00 - [24] - Quote The real problem is when I see what I could Fit in a gk0 scout and what I actually can Fit on my mk0 scout.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2862	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:50:00 - [25] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: The real problem is when I see what I could Fit in a gk0 scout and what I actually can Fit on my mk0 scout. I have Proto Gal on this account and Proto Min on another account within 1 mil SP of each other. The difference for fitting is remarkable. KRRROOOOOOM
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1105	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:01:00 - [26] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Hang on, so because you can't fit every module slot with proto modules, you want a pg increase? That is exactly what the suits PG levels are designed to limit. Min has more CPU than the other suits, less PG. It's called balance. Heard of a PG Upgrade? Wowee. I run a min scout and I disagree with you entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to complain about more pg.. but if you want it purely so you can fit your ideal modules then pfff to hell with that. Come up with a more efficient fit or choose another suit. They're all designed to have their advantages and disadvantages, not each be a different flavour of vanilla Tell me this, then why can a Calassault, MinCommando, (advanced nonetheless) galsent, ALL fit full proto without maxed PG optimizations? Try it out on protofits.com click the + in the corner and set max skill General John Ripper is my 2nd best friend!
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 388	Posted - 2014.04.12 19:24:00 - [27] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Hang on, so because you can't fit every module slot with proto modules, you want a pg increase? That is exactly what the suits PG levels are designed to limit. Min has more CPU than the other suits, less PG. It's called balance. Heard of a PG Upgrade? Wowee. I run a min scout and I disagree with you entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to complain about more pg.. but if you want it purely so you can fit your ideal modules then pfff to hell with that. Come up with a more efficient fit or choose another suit. They're all designed to have their advantages and disadvantages, not each be a different flavour of vanilla Tell me this, then why can a Calassault, MinCommando, (advanced nonetheless) galsent, ALL fit full proto without maxed PG optimizations? Try it out on protofits.com click the + in the corner and set max skill Um MinCommando CANT fit full proto at advanced or even proto ... No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .


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