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Aszazel
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:12:00 -
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I have MANY MANY MANY times, accidently hit the trigger button instead of the weapon switch button and completed the full animation of turning off my cloak, THEN, I realize what I did (because if you do it that way, you will be locked into the animation (try it) until it completes. THEN, I switch to my weapon; fully decloaked and KILL MY TARGET. Because I have positioned myself to where they do not see me.
I'll tell you what, you can change the cloak to operate that way full time if you take away the feature that your reticule turns red when you hover over me and I am standing perfectly still watching my cloak timer count down and hoping you will turn away just as you mow me down without being able to react.
Your EYES and EARS will beat out any cloaked scout btw, most of us only have 300 to 500 armor.
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Boot Booter
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:28:00 -
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Only 300 to 500 armor!? Haha....
OK so about your point. Yes everyone should have to click the button to decloak. Shooting while cloaked is a bs tactic that needs to be fixed. I rarely see the red reticle thing anyway... If I mow you down while you're not moving it's because I can see a slight distortortion in the image. You do realize you aren't perfectly invisible. The cloak is for positioning. If you are standing still in front of someone hoping they don't see you then you're doing it wrong. |
boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:29:00 -
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friends scout has 200. sneezed at = death.
you cant fire while cloaked just while dropping cloak. its not like they are going to drop the thing in front of you anyway...
skills are not being applied till 30 secs after spawn fixes before nerfs thank you.
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Ziiro Celeste
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:34:00 -
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My A/1 Scout has 674 eHP because all the Amarr Scout is good at is being a brick tanker/light assault suit.
The forgotten "A" in AAA
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:34:00 -
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500 armor - The same amount I run with my Assault?
504 armor to be exact.
My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone.
If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
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Yan Darn
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:36:00 -
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I agree - but the reticule thing is fine. It's harder to notice that over the cloak sometimes depending on the weapon and if you are in ADS or not.
Most of the QQ on the forums is unwarranted knee-jerk reaction. This fix alone should undermine most of it. No need to bait them.
The Ghost of Bravo
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Aszazel
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:48:00 -
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I am a big proponent of scouts against being able to brick tank. I have a Gal suit with 229 shields and 108 armor. I run complex kin kats, cardio, code breakers, dampeners, all the good stuff that makes us a scout and not an assault. Unfortunately CCP, made it so all roles can be played near the same, heavies can run kin kats too. I have seen a heavy flank with a burst HMG and wreck face. Hopefully, mediums will get a buff and all these FoTM peeps will leave my field so I can sprint free again. But the weapon switch + cloak + shotgun arenGÇÖt the problem. ItGÇÖs just that there are more of them now, H3LL, Lightning xVx was going 35/1 a match before 1.8 with A SHOTGUN AND A SCOUT FRAME.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:55:00 -
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If you have/need 500 armor on a scout, you are a scrub. I'm in an Amarr Scout and I barely break 500 EHP.
Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet
Gallente Neutron Rifle
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medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:56:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:I have MANY MANY MANY times, accidently hit the trigger button instead of the weapon switch button and completed the full animation of turning off my cloak, THEN, I realize what I did (because if you do it that way, you will be locked into the animation (try it) until it completes. THEN, I switch to my weapon; fully decloaked and KILL MY TARGET. Because I have positioned myself to where they do not see me.
I'll tell you what, you can change the cloak to operate that way full time if you take away the feature that your reticule turns red when you hover over me and I am standing perfectly still watching my cloak timer count down and hoping you will turn away just as you mow me down without being able to react.
Your EYES and EARS will beat out any cloaked scout btw, most of us only have 300 to 500 armor.
medomai grey wrote:Cloaks are fun with the exception of a certain bug that make them un-fun. Hunting for cloaked enemies adds a new challenge to the game and feels incredibly gratifying when you down a cloaked enemy.
Now some people are of the opinion that the bug that allows you to fire a couple of shots before you begin to decloak isn't a big deal. And they are partially right. If the bug is fixed and a cloaked player sneaks up on a unsuspecting target, the outcome remains unchanged.
But please consider another scenario: The cloaked player has failed at stealth and the enemy is searching for them. To hide from the enemy, the cloaked player stops moving to make themselves as least visible as possible. But it only partially works, the enemy knows that the cloaked player is somewhere in front of them, but not the exact location. The enemy begins scanning the area with their reticule and checking for visual distortions; it's only a matter of time before the cloaked player is located. But wait, what's this?! The enemy is dead, the cloaked player fired a couple of rounds into the enemy before beginning to decloak thanks to a bugged mechanic.
In this scenario, the enemy should have had a sporting chance to fight the cloaked player. But because of the bugged mechanic, the enemy is downed from a virtually invisible source of gunfire in front of them. The bugged mechanic is rewarding the cloaked player who failed at stealth. This bug is not a small issue.
Edit: Corrected the part about cloaked player being invisible to practically invisible. A lot of people like to argue the point where it doesn't matter. This is folly. The point is to argue is when it does matter, like my copy and paste from another thread.
And honestly, if someone is facing you and scanning for you with their aiming reticle, they deserve the chance to fight you fairly instead of being downed by an invisible source of gun fire.
I don't view cloaks as a crutch. But the way some of you argue over how broken mechanics are fine sure makes it look like your using that cloak as a crutch. And I am a sick sadistic bastard that loves breaking crutches.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:06:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:And honestly, if someone is facing you and scanning for you with their aiming reticle, they deserve the chance to fight you fairly instead of being downed by an invisible source of gun fire. Why because you failed at stealth, the enemy is aware of your presence! I don't view cloaks as a crutch. But the way some of you argue over how broken mechanics are fine sure makes it look like your using that cloak as a crutch. And I am a sick sadistic bastard that loves breaking crutches.
Eh, blame CCP for allowing scouts to brick tank, I wouldn't/HAVEN'T survived this encounter, if people shoot me I die. I have 334 eHP. I don't think your story holds true either, most people that get killed by a cloaked scout switching to a weapon and firing is because its a high alpha damage weapon, like a shotgun. If its a rifle, as we start to decloak it's easy to find and kill us. Maybe if you guy was standing 4 meters away.....
The reason I kill about 40% of the people I do is because, I engage, I lose the upper hand, I RUN AWAY. And they GO back to their business, just cause you saw me run into the hillls 100 meters out doesn't mean you can go back to hacking dude. I can close 100 meters before you are done. Play smarter. |
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:12:00 -
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I complained about cloaks at one point just because of what I was able to do with one given I'm not even a scout.
I think the issue here is that bad players aren't so bad when using cloaks. It needs to require a degree of skill to be even with other suits. I also think they should have a lot less modules or a lot less CPU/PG. Something to make it so you can't brick tank, have super speed, pseudo logi, or whatever all around nonsense that I do myself. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:28:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:I complained about cloaks at one point just because of what I was able to do with one given I'm not even a scout.
I think the issue here is that bad players aren't so bad when using cloaks. It needs to require a degree of skill to be even with other suits. I also think they should have a lot less modules or a lot less CPU/PG. Something to make it so you can't brick tank, have super speed, pseudo logi, or whatever all around nonsense that I do myself.
If you haven't noticed all the terrible cloaked scouts then you need skill. Smart players can make the most of the cloak, bad ones just make great targets that can't shoot back.
Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
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DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:38:00 -
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3-500 armor???? Damn new scouts lol I don't even have 300 ehp
My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
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medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:39:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:Eh, blame CCP for allowing scouts to brick tank, I wouldn't/HAVEN'T survived this encounter, if people shoot me I die. I have 334 eHP. I don't think your story holds true either, most people that get killed by a cloaked scout switching to a weapon and firing is because its a high alpha damage weapon, like a shotgun. If its a rifle, as we start to decloak it's easy to find and kill us. Maybe if you guy was standing 4 meters away..... I'm sorry, weren't you defending the bug where players can fire a couple of rounds off while cloaked? Why are you now talking of situation were the bug does not exist? Can you please be consistent in your own topic that you started?
Aszazel wrote:The reason I kill about 40% of the people I do is because, I engage, I lose the upper hand, I RUN AWAY. And they GO back to their business, just cause you saw me run into the hillls 100 meters out doesn't mean you can go back to hacking dude. I can close 100 meters before you are done. Play smarter. Well, yea. The majority of the player base aren't too bright. But still, this is no justification to punish players who make good decisions and skilled behavior.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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