DUST Search - Does meta level increase isk gain?

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

isk is based on enemy gear destroyed, with multipliers of fractions on each dropsuit or installation or vehicle destroyed(the multipliers different for each, for example destroying a proto suit might net a 0.5x of its 200k worth while a 200k tank might net a 0.75x of its 200k for the team pot,nobody knows the exact multipliers though), with a flat rate of 200k for enough time spent in battle, multiplied by either a positive or negative number(negative as in 0.7 for example, not actually negative, like -0.7) based on how much of the enemy gear you destroyed compared to the team.
So gear destroyed is sent to a team pot, based on isk value, then based on your gear destroyed compared to the team it pays you out accordingly.

In not guilty, we once fought each other in a dom, with full proto the entire match, on bridge map.
Lotta protos died, i got first at 30 kills 3300wp, and got a payout of 1.25million isk.

However people can get close to 3million isk for a pub by being the only one on thier team yet destroying tons of enemy gear(usually by getting in a tank) and seizing the whole pot.

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SUNNY THE NINJA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 127	Posted - 2014.04.08 12:39:00 - [1] - Quote Does the meta level of the gear you use increase the amount of isk you earn? I remember reading it once (perhaps on a dev blog) can anyone remind me? *Excuse the spelling mistakes please*
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3544	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:00:00 - [2] - Quote They say it does, but it seems like only 20% of a destroyed dropsuit's value is added, then split among the entire team. Time in match and destroying Installations and HAVs will be the only noticeable increase you'll see. I've had matches with 40+ Kills and still got <300,000 ISK. Broken payout system. I GÖú Kittens.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2328	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:04:00 - [3] - Quote the meta level of what you kill is supposed to raise isk gain. isk and sp payout have been horrible this build. several times yesterday i was top team with 25-1, 26-0 19-0, 31-0 once i was the only positive score on my team. what did i get for that? 5k sp and 198-200k isk
Spirax Sarco Swiss Bank of New Eden 21	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:05:00 - [4] - Quote The "Old Dude" is right... I've had matches when I've sniped 1 dude and got 150,000+isk and times I've shot 4 dudes and got 90,000-isk....?...both times didn't die myself...... not that I care much, but it's not right... C.R.E.A.M.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5569	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:07:00 - [5] - Quote Spirax Sarco wrote: The "Old Dude" is right... I've had matches when I've sniped 1 dude and got 150,000+isk and times I've shot 4 dudes and got 90,000-isk....?...both times didn't die myself...... not that I care much, but it's not right... No, It's CCP. Don't question them. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 893	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:08:00 - [6] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Does the meta level of the gear you use increase the amount of isk you earn? I remember reading it once (perhaps on a dev blog) can anyone remind me? Payout is partly based on the ISK value destroyed by your team, but because a lot of people run cheap gear the payout is generally low but I had games where my team lost and I got close to 400K and I wasn't the first on my side. It was just we killed many protosuits and vehicles.
Nirwanda Vaughns Death Firm. 522	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:11:00 - [7] - Quote payout is based on the mythical 'CCP Math' no one knows for sure how money is truly calculated any more. i've never noticed any difference in payout based on gear i've wore in a match. i've gone full proto and gotten around 300k in a domi and gotten the same runnin basic and blueprint stuff. the only real guarantee is based on performance. more wp you get more isk usually. i've had upto 650k in a domi one (just shy of 5k wp) Rolling with the punches
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 732	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:17:00 - [8] - Quote calisk galern wrote: the meta level of what you kill is supposed to raise isk gain. isk and sp payout have been horrible this build. several times yesterday i was top team with 25-1, 26-0 19-0, 31-0 once i was the only positive score on my team. what did i get for that? 5k sp and 198-200k isk Meanwhile, if the enemy team spams tanks, even Militia ones, I make 500k easy when I destroy at least 5 or them... When they said 'fck payouts' in pubs, they went way to far. FW is automatically a loss (at best, at level 10, with a faction booster, a win nets you a little over 260,000 isk in LP form). Pubs are, on average, maybe 250k if its heavily infantry based, with vehicles being the only thing to bump up payouts, at least from what I've seen. They need to take a look at payouts for everything not PC for a healthy bump. *: This is assuming you buy only Proto suits with your LP, or proto weapons, as those purchases give you the greatest isk per LP available, while modules are basically a ripoff (netting you a little over 61k on average). xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 789	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:20:00 - [9] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: They say it does, but it seems like only 20% of a destroyed dropsuit's value is added, then split among the entire team. Time in match and destroying Installations and HAVs will be the only noticeable increase you'll see. I've had matches with 40+ Kills and still got <300,000 ISK. Broken payout system. This seems about right... I've had matches where I killed 52 people (a sizeable chunk in proto/adv gear) and then receive a 250,000 ISK payout... yet I've also spent a match with less than 10 kills, but spent all my time running about the map hacking and destroy vehicles and I got over 400,000 ISK... If I had the inclination and the time, I'd run lots of baseline tests like - not doing a single thing in a match (averaged over several matches) - Just hack stuff - Just destroy vehicles - Just destroy installations - Just destroy dropsuits - Just act as support as logistics with repair/nanohives/revives Eventually you'd be able to determine what variable affects the payout and by how much... and then you could modify your behaviour to match the variables. I think there's a video somewhere around here which showed a 1 mil ISK payout in a battle and the guy didn't do anything remarkable, he started off sniping, then moved on as logi, threw down some orbitals, shot a few people and hacked a point... and he had a 1 mil ISK payout.. it could have been a bug, but just goes to show how opaque the whole thing is...
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 395	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:21:00 - [10] - Quote Sometimes I can get half mil payouts from pubs and it's MLT or BPO everything. Other games I can kill nothing but protosuits, top the WP board, and make 200k. It doesn't make sense. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1100	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:23:00 - [11] - Quote All I know is; If the match has already started when I get put in that's pretty much 60-80,000 isk I won't get in payment compared to those that started at the beginning of the round. Incentive to help a struggling team? I think not "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 734	Posted - 2014.04.08 13:24:00 - [12] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Sometimes I can get half mil payouts from pubs and it's MLT or BPO everything. Other games I can kill nothing but protosuits, top the WP board, and make 200k. It doesn't make sense. It does make sense.. In CCP's sick twisted mind. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 738	Posted - 2014.04.08 14:43:00 - [13] - Quote No. Meta level is only indicative of overall 'goodness' of a module. In general, and not necessarily in every aspect, a meta 5 module will be better than a meta 4 module. That's all 'meta level' is. EVE further uses meta levels to distinguish what type of module something is, and DUST does too. In EVE (because I know that of the top of my head)... Meta 0 > Regular T1 item Meta 1 - 4 > Named T1 item Meta 5 > T2 item Meta 6 > Storyline Item Meta 6 - 10 > Faction Items Meta 11-14 > Mix of Officer and Deadspace items Meta level is nothing more or less. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4989	Posted - 2014.04.08 14:47:00 - [14] - Quote Yes the higher meta lv of items you destroy do give you more isk. But I have found WP are the best way to go if you want big payouts. In dom, I was Mlt Rail tanking for my squad 3 games in a row and got 3500+ WP in those games. I ended up with 500k+ isk payouts. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Kage Roth Wolf-Monkey Bastards 121	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:07:00 - [15] - Quote As has been commented, remember it isn't the number of kills you get, it is the cost of what you destroy. If you are dominating a pub match against randoms in basic suits, it won't change your payout much. If your team is getting protostomped and you are still getting kills on said protos, then your payout dramatically increases.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7852	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:29:00 - [16] - Quote The issue here is that CCP hasn't been clear about the formula used to determine payout. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Zimander 40	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:48:00 - [17] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Does the meta level of the gear you use increase the amount of isk you earn? I remember reading it once (perhaps on a dev blog) can anyone remind me? MORE WP = MORE ISK AND SP Last night i score 4025 for logi love and i gat somwere 345k isk kd 4/2 but running as a scout 1100 WP and only 160k 15-3 k/d
End is Near Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 87	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:26:00 - [18] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Does the meta level of the gear you use increase the amount of isk you earn? I remember reading it once (perhaps on a dev blog) can anyone remind me? I can pull 600k WITHOUT A SINGLE KILL! I dont hack or blow up ANYTHING! Dust is BROKEN!
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 175	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:35:00 - [19] - Quote I would actually like to know CCP's response to this? If I put in work i.e. Blew up three turrets, two tanks, 20 kills on the ground, hacked 4 points, 2 CRU's, and the supply depot 4 times. Why is my payout virtually the same as if I played an ambush against nyain san's A squad and went 4/11 w/ 225 warpoints? Skirmishs and doms, where you put in tons more effort, should also pay out more isk! Currently if I want to make money I have to go destroy my k/d in ambush with nyain san running frontline fits for an extended amount of time, while they race each other to the top of the leaderboard in triple repped blaster tanks smh?! This is indeed an issue?! How are the lower lvl players ever to make a profit, and be encouraged to fight hard with their best efforts and gear? "Anybody order chaos?"
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 1170	Posted - 2014.05.25 19:38:00 - [20] - Quote isk is based on enemy gear destroyed, with multipliers of fractions on each dropsuit or installation or vehicle destroyed(the multipliers different for each, for example destroying a proto suit might net a 0.5x of its 200k worth while a 200k tank might net a 0.75x of its 200k for the team pot,nobody knows the exact multipliers though), with a flat rate of 200k for enough time spent in battle, multiplied by either a positive or negative number(negative as in 0.7 for example, not actually negative, like -0.7) based on how much of the enemy gear you destroyed compared to the team. So gear destroyed is sent to a team pot, based on isk value, then based on your gear destroyed compared to the team it pays you out accordingly. In not guilty, we once fought each other in a dom, with full proto the entire match, on bridge map. Lotta protos died, i got first at 30 kills 3300wp, and got a payout of 1.25million isk. However people can get close to 3million isk for a pub by being the only one on thier team yet destroying tons of enemy gear(usually by getting in a tank) and seizing the whole pot. Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó Nyan!~~=[,,..,,]:3 Nyain SanGäó (rated ® for rape) is currently accepting hatemails.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 176	Posted - 2014.05.25 20:45:00 - [21] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: isk is based on enemy gear destroyed, with multipliers of fractions on each dropsuit or installation or vehicle destroyed(the multipliers different for each, for example destroying a proto suit might net a 0.5x of its 200k worth while a 200k tank might net a 0.75x of its 200k for the team pot,nobody knows the exact multipliers though), with a flat rate of 200k for enough time spent in battle, multiplied by either a positive or negative number(negative as in 0.7 for example, not actually negative, like -0.7) based on how much of the enemy gear you destroyed compared to the team. So gear destroyed is sent to a team pot, based on isk value, then based on your gear destroyed compared to the team it pays you out accordingly. In not guilty, we once fought each other in a dom, with full proto the entire match, on bridge map. Lotta protos died, i got first at 30 kills 3300wp, and got a payout of 1.25million isk. However people can get close to 3million isk for a pub by being the only one on thier team yet destroying tons of enemy gear(usually by getting in a tank) and seizing the whole pot. They DO speak english Ok, so with that said. I guess my question is will ccp make those numbers official or no? Also, what about factional battles? It does seem a bit random there as well? The salvage, I mean. I know damn well ALL those guys weren't wearing mlt gear?!?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1483	Posted - 2014.05.25 20:53:00 - [22] - Quote Had one game, 1/0 3400 wp's from killing ads 900k isk Delt for CPM1
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 176	Posted - 2014.05.25 20:58:00 - [23] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Had one game, 1/0 3400 wp's from killing ads 900k isk Got it, and writing it down....... kill.... ADS..... Roger out "Anybody order chaos?"
End is Near Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 88	Posted - 2014.05.25 21:17:00 - [24] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: isk is based on enemy gear destroyed, with multipliers of fractions on each dropsuit or installation or vehicle destroyed(the multipliers different for each, for example destroying a proto suit might net a 0.5x of its 200k worth while a 200k tank might net a 0.75x of its 200k for the team pot,nobody knows the exact multipliers though), with a flat rate of 200k for enough time spent in battle, multiplied by either a positive or negative number(negative as in 0.7 for example, not actually negative, like -0.7) based on how much of the enemy gear you destroyed compared to the team. So gear destroyed is sent to a team pot, based on isk value, then based on your gear destroyed compared to the team it pays you out accordingly. In not guilty, we once fought each other in a dom, with full proto the entire match, on bridge map. Lotta protos died, i got first at 30 kills 3300wp, and got a payout of 1.25million isk. However people can get close to 3million isk for a pub by being the only one on thier team yet destroying tons of enemy gear(usually by getting in a tank) and seizing the whole pot. Wrong wrong wrong...... LOL I have tested this MULTIPLE times. The ONLY thing that decides how much isk you get is WP. If you get 1st, you'll get the biggest peice of the pie. However if there are MULTIPLE high rollers at the top, your peice gets smaller. I usually pull 3500+ EVERY match. I can spam all my magical links/nanos and go fk around rest of match and still make 500k. If we are losing, ill slaughter 20-30 to help the wookies win.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 561	Posted - 2014.05.25 22:30:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: The issue here is that CCP hasn't been clear about the formula used to determine payout. How the payouts work is one of the few things that there is a straight answer on. DUST 514: WAR AND PROFIT Your share of ISK is based on your share of WP. If you and 3 other people all score 1500 points you will get significantly less than if you score 1000 and no one else goes over 500 and you have 5 people at the bottom with zero points. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.

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