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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Mocking Bird Inc.
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:11:00 -
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Nuff said. It should be a game mode for infantry. I can call in a sica but blueberries don't know about that.
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ratamaq doc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
497
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:16:00 -
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I'm rather enjoying the 2 vehicle per side limit. I would entertain the idea of 2 of each vehicle class, but limit to 2 per side was a great step in the right direction. Now Infantry AV can consentrate on 1 or 2 tanks without the tank being able to run and hide behind 4 other tanks.
I hear Domination is the new Tankbush, I played several games saturday night where there were no tanks to hunt. Made me kind of sad standing there with my AV fit and no tanks wanted to come out and play.
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:17:00 -
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Combine that with the fact that for the moment the entire team gets spawned on the outside of the map and if you don't have tankers on your side and the enemy does then their tanks can get to your side of the map before you can reach the central installation.
As a result half your team is pinned with nowhere to go 20 seconds into the game until they are eventually killed. |
Arcturis Vanguard
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:22:00 -
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I would like to see CCP code ambushes for infantry only and OMS (off map support) for vehicles, two per side. After all vehicles are off map support. I currently love going into ambushes without tank spam, but I just want a ground game death match. |
Void Echo
Total Extinction
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:50:00 -
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if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair.
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Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:53:00 -
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I wouldn't mind separating the two but I don't think it is going to happen.
Because, that's why.
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:58:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair.
Illogical statement Void, you have to spawn as infantry to call in a vehicle. Fair would be offering an alternative Ambush mode that has no vehicle limit. People can then choice which mode to play.
Depending on the map HAVs are a win-button. CCP could remove the problematic maps from rotation.
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Void Echo
Total Extinction
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:03:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair. Illogical statement Void, you have to spawn as infantry to call in a vehicle. Fair would be offering an alternative Ambush mode that has no vehicle limit. People can then choice which mode to play. Depending on the map HAVs are a win-button. CCP could remove the problematic maps from rotation.
actually, its not illogical, your only option would be to spawn in the mcc, have the vehicle be deployed before you arrive on the ground or youl die. or something.
to separate vehicles and infantry would be the illogical move, separation would cause chaos and kill this game from a new problem. separation of the classes has never worked on earth, nor will it work in a game unless everyone is an NPC.
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:05:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair.
That logic is not applicable at all. In ambush there are no redlines for people to be able to escape HAVs and if any and all uplinks or CRUs are lost, the smart spawn will often put you right around tanks.
In dom and skirmish you always at least have the MCC and a ground spawn to come in on that's inaccessible to everyone except snipers.
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Void Echo
Total Extinction
2400
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:06:00 -
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LEHON Xeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair. That logic is not applicable at all. In ambush there are no redlines for people to be able to escape HAVs and if any and all uplinks or CRUs are lost, the smart spawn will often put you right around tanks. In dom and skirmish you always at least have the MCC and a ground spawn to come in on that's inaccessible to everyone except snipers.
the reason why I say that if you restrict one class from a game, then you need to restrict the other class from the other game, it wont be fair for vehicle pilots if you don't allow them to play in game mode yet you allow their rival class in their game modes.
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
394
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:08:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:LEHON Xeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair. That logic is not applicable at all. In ambush there are no redlines for people to be able to escape HAVs and if any and all uplinks or CRUs are lost, the smart spawn will often put you right around tanks. In dom and skirmish you always at least have the MCC and a ground spawn to come in on that's inaccessible to everyone except snipers. the reason why I say that if you restrict one class from a game, then you need to restrict the other class from the other game, it wont be fair for vehicle pilots if you don't allow them to play in game mode yet you allow their rival class in their game modes.
I think the main way it could be fixed is for CCP to fix the "smart spawn" to actually make it like how it's supposed to be, that when you use it, you're placed far away from the action so you don't get insta-killed. However, I doubt we'll see that fix anytime soon. They won't even hot fix this forge gun and passive skill bug we've all been suffering from the last two weeks.
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:29:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:LEHON Xeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair. That logic is not applicable at all. In ambush there are no redlines for people to be able to escape HAVs and if any and all uplinks or CRUs are lost, the smart spawn will often put you right around tanks. In dom and skirmish you always at least have the MCC and a ground spawn to come in on that's inaccessible to everyone except snipers. the reason why I say that if you restrict one class from a game, then you need to restrict the other class from the other game, it wont be fair for vehicle pilots if you don't allow them to play in game mode yet you allow their rival class in their game modes.
Now that would be fair if the two "classes" were balanced. Yet one is far more superior to the other. If you want fair treatment, become a fair asset.
Until then....
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Alena Ventrallis
PAND3M0N1UM
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:35:00 -
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Ambush should have no vehicles
Ambush OMS should have a 2 vehicle limit.
Dom/Skirm should remain as is.
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:36:00 -
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Arcturis Vanguard wrote:I would like to see CCP code ambushes for infantry only and OMS (off map support) for vehicles, two per side. After all vehicles are off map support. I currently love going into ambushes without tank spam, but I just want a ground game death match.
^ this
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:37:00 -
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:45:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair. Illogical statement Void, you have to spawn as infantry to call in a vehicle. Fair would be offering an alternative Ambush mode that has no vehicle limit. People can then choice which mode to play. Depending on the map HAVs are a win-button. CCP could remove the problematic maps from rotation. actually, its not illogical, your only option would be to spawn in the mcc, have the vehicle be deployed before you arrive on the ground or youl die. or something. to separate vehicles and infantry would be the illogical move, separation would cause chaos and kill this game from a new problem. separation of the classes has never worked on earth, nor will it work in a game unless everyone is an NPC.
Yet vehicle spawning doesn't work that way. I was just applying some logic to your emotional response.
We all know why you don't like the idea of offering two game modes because the no-vehicles would have most of the players and no-vehicle-limit would be empty. Unfortunate but fair.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
2978
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:46:00 -
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CCP can't figure out how to limit vehicles without limiting all vehicles.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9305
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:47:00 -
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Most teams only get stomped in ambush because they are unwilling to put down their assault rifles for swarms or their own HAV...... its sad.
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:48:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Nuff said. It should be a game mode for infantry. I can call in a sica but blueberries don't know about that. +1 to this idea. Ambush and Ambush OMS need to be split up as game modes again, leaving OMS the mode where tanks and other "off map support" are allowed.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9306
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:15:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Nuff said. It should be a game mode for infantry. I can call in a sica but blueberries don't know about that. +1 to this idea. Ambush and Ambush OMS need to be split up as game modes again, leaving OMS the mode where tanks and other "off map support" are allowed.
Then pay out for Ambush should be significantly less because you are playing in a protective bubble in a padded room.
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:17:00 -
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The alternative to Ambush without vehicles is to have heavily fortified positions, that vehicles can not access and enemy infantry would have serious problems fighting through due to automated turrets within the structure I.e. Where vehicles can not hit them with lots of supply depots so that players can easily swap out to AV before switching back to another fit without having to sacrifice multiple lives particularly in a 50 clone Ambush.
Edit - The above is for the initial deploy to avoid spawn camping etc but not the main focus area for the battle unless your team is stomped within the first 30 seconds to a minute.
There should also be tunnels and trenches linking the various compounds so you can avoid that 20 second run across open ground so long as you are willing to accept that you could be caught in a choke point by the enemy infantry.
Initial deploy should put both teams on opposite sides of the large main structure in each map or fortified positions if no structure exists.
Smart deploy should put players on the outskirts of the action but not in the open or where there are reds. |
Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:57:00 -
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the whole "smart" spawn killed ambush for me- mull around a big blue blob and hope the odd red gets spotted.. at least when it was random a fight could be had within seconds of spawning in. to the dust community a classic TDM was too much for them to handle so now we have the so called smart spawn. before smart spawn you had to have your squad guard you to call in a vehicle because of the randomness of spawning. all smart spawn did was make it easy for vehicle drivers to own the match.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
205
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:12:00 -
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You know that Spawn killing is bad with Nyan San, when you dont have the time to suicide with a cooked grenade, so they kill you faster than a grenade cooks and explode... thats proven real metrics ! |
CLONE117
True Pros Forever
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:14:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Nuff said. It should be a game mode for infantry. I can call in a sica but blueberries don't know about that.
id agree to that if and only if there was another rule added on as well...
mlt- std only in ambush..that way no1 gets their way.
except for the newberries...they deserve something nice for a change.
mlt vets are eternal. they shall be the bane to proto scrubs everywhere...
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
2306
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:27:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair.
Yup. I'd make so much ISK.
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CLONE117
True Pros Forever
754
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:35:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair. Yup. I'd make so much ISK.
if it was zero infantry.. how they hell are u gonna call your vehicle down then?.
mlt vets are eternal. they shall be the bane to proto scrubs everywhere...
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Most teams only get stomped in ambush because they are unwilling to put down their assault rifles for swarms or their own HAV...... its sad.
It is because unless the target is a dropship or LAV then there is no point. HAVs are the question and the answer, a win-button in Ambush with few options to counter.
We've had these "no tanks in ambush," since late Chrome. If not earlier. These requests are going to continue as new people who haven't read the old posts but have the same one-sided experience come to the forums.
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
2306
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:04:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Void Echo wrote:if you have ambush leaving zero vehicles.
then we need to have domination or skirmish be zero infantry. only to be fair. Yup. I'd make so much ISK. if it was zero infantry.. how they hell are u gonna call your vehicle down then?.
ummm...i didn't really get that far in the thought process
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JP Acuna
Pendejitos
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
120
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:22:00 -
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I finally came back to ambush and enjoy it.
Now domination is my least favorite game mode. |
Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:27:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Ambush should have no vehicles
Ambush OMS should have a 2 vehicle limit.
Yes, yes!!
With a PS:
Since no MCC in regular ambush, clearly, there's no place for tanks to come from.
In contrast, since stuff "falls from the sky" in OMS.. vehicles should also fall from sky :)
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