DUST Search - The New OP Python Fit

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Roofer Madness wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Roofer Madness wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

I can get 2.5k shield and still have a hardener on it

I think you missed the entire point. No hardener is necessary. In fact it just causes more trouble for the pilot. You are only getting 40% hardened shields while your hardener is active. That leaves too much downtime and room for error. My fit is just zoom away and instantly rep. And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted.

2500 shields

40% of that is an extra 1000shield, add in basic shield resists to armor AV weapons and its a bit more

I have more health that you when hardener is on still, when its off you get the advantage of 600shields but i still have my AB so i can still bug out and with the fit i havnt got 1 shotted yet

The benefit of 600 shields that reps back in 4 to 9 seconds is sometimes the difference between escape and a fiery death. Also, IMO the hardeners encourage hanging around in one area too long, which is death for an ADS.

And if you get nailed with a Breach Forge or a rail turret and then engage hardener you are not geting 40% of 2500 but more likely 40% of 1000. And then getting hit again because you are playing with your hardener instead of engaging afterburner. Then your shields are depleted and your dead.

Yea no

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Roofer Madness Algintal Core Gallente Federation 934	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:36:00 - [1] - Quote Python 1 Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender 1 Basic Heavy Shield Extender 1 Basic Afterburner 1 Complex PG Upgrade 2134 Shields 908 Armor Now - at first glance it looks like a boring fit. No hardeners or boosters? Laaaaaaame. But this is a 1.8 world we live in. With the nerf to rail guns and hardeners all you really need to do is tank enough alpha damage to get away. The shield recharge on the Python is 224. And with maxed shield skills you get a depleted charge of 9 seconds and regular charge of 4. As soon as you take any moderate damage engage the afternurner. By the time the afterburner is cooled down you will be full health and ready to go. The key to survivability is not to harden or tank damage but to just not get hit more than one to begin and then rep through. I got the idea from the OP rep tanks and then applied it to shields. The movement of the Python is necessary to the whole fit. Your welcome. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2232	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:40:00 - [2] - Quote And then it insta-flames because some asshat with a PLC made you jerk into a lamp post. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!
Roofer Madness Algintal Core Gallente Federation 934	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:41:00 - [3] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: And then it insta-flames because some jerk with a PLC made you jerk into a lamp post. True. I lost the most Pythons this cap due to pilot error. But that is a good thing!! Also, good for that dude for using a PLC!!!!!! I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3258	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:48:00 - [4] - Quote I can get 2.5k shield and still have a hardener on it
Roofer Madness Algintal Core Gallente Federation 935	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:51:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I can get 2.5k shield and still have a hardener on it I think you missed the entire point. No hardener is necessary. In fact it just causes more trouble for the pilot. You are only getting 40% hardened shields while your hardener is active. That leaves too much downtime and room for error. My fit is just zoom away and instantly rep. And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1328	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:51:00 - [6] - Quote This is my same fit, except I use a Cplx light over the basic heavy. Only loose about 100ehp but I can fit a complex AB and XT missiles easily. I used this before the nerf to hardeners because it had about as much ehp as a hardener stock but it was up at all times, allowed the use of an AB, and didn't need to recharge at all (minus the 8-ish seconds for the AB to recharge). Me in my ADS: 1,2
Roofer Madness Algintal Core Gallente Federation 935	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:54:00 - [7] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: This is my same fit, except I use a Cplx light over the basic heavy. Only loose about 100ehp but I can fit a complex AB and XT missiles easily. I used this before the nerf to hardeners because it had about as much ehp as a hardener stock but it was up at all times, allowed the use of an AB, and didn't need to recharge at all (minus the 8-ish seconds for the AB to recharge). I've thought about that fit as well but I feel the Basic Afterburner does enough and cools down quick enough for my needs. And I didn't list it but my fit also is with an XT-1 Proto missile turret. Incidentally, for 700,000 more SP I can put 2 points into the Fitting Op for the small missile turret and get 58 more Shields.... lol I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3259	Posted - 2014.04.07 11:58:00 - [8] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I can get 2.5k shield and still have a hardener on it I think you missed the entire point. No hardener is necessary. In fact it just causes more trouble for the pilot. You are only getting 40% hardened shields while your hardener is active. That leaves too much downtime and room for error. My fit is just zoom away and instantly rep. And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. 2500 shields 40% of that is an extra 1000shield, add in basic shield resists to armor AV weapons and its a bit more I have more health that you when hardener is on still, when its off you get the advantage of 600shields but i still have my AB so i can still bug out and with the fit i havnt got 1 shotted yet
jerrmy12 kahoalii 895	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:00:00 - [9] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I can get 2.5k shield and still have a hardener on it I think you missed the entire point. No hardener is necessary. In fact it just causes more trouble for the pilot. You are only getting 40% hardened shields while your hardener is active. That leaves too much downtime and room for error. My fit is just zoom away and instantly rep. And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. 2500 shields 40% of that is an extra 1000shield, add in basic shield resists to armor AV weapons and its a bit more I have more health that you when hardener is on still, when its off you get the advantage of 600shields but i still have my AB so i can still bug out and with the fit i havnt got 1 shotted yet And then if your shields are gone your screwed Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Kosakai ZionTCD 49	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:01:00 - [10] - Quote good fit but... nothink new PROUD MINMATAR <3 -- IN RUST IS TRUST FORGE GUN LOVER -- TANK HUNTER SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED .......

Roofer Madness Algintal Core Gallente Federation 935	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:01:00 - [11] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I can get 2.5k shield and still have a hardener on it I think you missed the entire point. No hardener is necessary. In fact it just causes more trouble for the pilot. You are only getting 40% hardened shields while your hardener is active. That leaves too much downtime and room for error. My fit is just zoom away and instantly rep. And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. 2500 shields 40% of that is an extra 1000shield, add in basic shield resists to armor AV weapons and its a bit more I have more health that you when hardener is on still, when its off you get the advantage of 600shields but i still have my AB so i can still bug out and with the fit i havnt got 1 shotted yet The benefit of 600 shields that reps back in 4 to 9 seconds is sometimes the difference between escape and a fiery death. Also, IMO the hardeners encourage hanging around in one area too long, which is death for an ADS. And if you get nailed with a Breach Forge or a rail turret and then engage hardener you are not geting 40% of 2500 but more likely 40% of 1000. And then getting hit again because you are playing with your hardener instead of engaging afterburner. Then your shields are depleted and your dead. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Roofer Madness Algintal Core Gallente Federation 935	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:05:00 - [12] - Quote Kosakai wrote: good fit but... nothink new Well, new to me. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Roofer Madness Algintal Core Gallente Federation 936	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:10:00 - [13] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: And then it insta-flames because some asshat with a PLC made you jerk into a lamp post. More like "And then it insta-flames because some asshat with an Incubus rammed you." lol I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3259	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:42:00 - [14] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I can get 2.5k shield and still have a hardener on it I think you missed the entire point. No hardener is necessary. In fact it just causes more trouble for the pilot. You are only getting 40% hardened shields while your hardener is active. That leaves too much downtime and room for error. My fit is just zoom away and instantly rep. And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. 2500 shields 40% of that is an extra 1000shield, add in basic shield resists to armor AV weapons and its a bit more I have more health that you when hardener is on still, when its off you get the advantage of 600shields but i still have my AB so i can still bug out and with the fit i havnt got 1 shotted yet The benefit of 600 shields that reps back in 4 to 9 seconds is sometimes the difference between escape and a fiery death. Also, IMO the hardeners encourage hanging around in one area too long, which is death for an ADS. And if you get nailed with a Breach Forge or a rail turret and then engage hardener you are not geting 40% of 2500 but more likely 40% of 1000. And then getting hit again because you are playing with your hardener instead of engaging afterburner. Then your shields are depleted and your dead. Yea no
Roofer Madness Algintal Core Gallente Federation 938	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:49:00 - [15] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I can get 2.5k shield and still have a hardener on it I think you missed the entire point. No hardener is necessary. In fact it just causes more trouble for the pilot. You are only getting 40% hardened shields while your hardener is active. That leaves too much downtime and room for error. My fit is just zoom away and instantly rep. And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. 2500 shields 40% of that is an extra 1000shield, add in basic shield resists to armor AV weapons and its a bit more I have more health that you when hardener is on still, when its off you get the advantage of 600shields but i still have my AB so i can still bug out and with the fit i havnt got 1 shotted yet The benefit of 600 shields that reps back in 4 to 9 seconds is sometimes the difference between escape and a fiery death. Also, IMO the hardeners encourage hanging around in one area too long, which is death for an ADS. And if you get nailed with a Breach Forge or a rail turret and then engage hardener you are not geting 40% of 2500 but more likely 40% of 1000. And then getting hit again because you are playing with your hardener instead of engaging afterburner. Then your shields are depleted and your dead. Yea no Care to elaborate? I am just speaking from my own experience. My play style in the ADS is very hit and run. Let's have your fit so I can give it a go? I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1987	Posted - 2014.04.07 17:38:00 - [16] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. Sure, not one shot, but some of us are pretty good with rails. Wanna test that out? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1635	Posted - 2014.04.07 17:45:00 - [17] - Quote Ach I'm still rocking in the sky's with 2 complex hardeners and a complex light shield booster as it allows me to re fill my shields twice during my hardener cycle if nesasery. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1635	Posted - 2014.04.07 17:47:00 - [18] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. Sure, not one shot, but some of us are pretty good with rails. Wanna test that out? Yip as I'm primerally a Rail tanker all my vehicle fits are built around surviving the first 2 shots from any rail. It would take a triple dammage molded particle cannon to 2 shot most of my builds. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 344	Posted - 2014.04.07 17:55:00 - [19] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Python 1 Enhanced Heavy Shield Extender 1 Basic Heavy Shield Extender 1 Basic Afterburner 1 Complex PG Upgrade 3134 Shields 908 Armor Now - at first glance it looks like a boring fit. No hardeners or boosters? Laaaaaaame. But this is a 1.8 world we live in. With the nerf to rail guns and hardeners all you really need to do is tank enough alpha damage to get away. The shield recharge on the Python is 224. And with maxed shield skills you get a depleted charge of 9 seconds and regular charge of 4. As soon as you take any moderate damage engage the afternurner. By the time the afterburner is cooled down you will be full health and ready to go. The key to survivability is not to harden or tank damage but to just not get hit more than one to begin with and then rep through it. I got the idea from the OP rep tanks and then applied it towards shields for dropships. The movement of the Python is necessary to the whole fit. Give it a try. You are a bit late with this fit, it's been used since day one of 1.7 and it's not OP, it's just survival heavy fit. And I don't know how you get that number for shields cause it's actually 3244. OP fit would be damage modded Python, OMG do tanks go down fast with that. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1536	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:06:00 - [20] - Quote Railguns are still too powerful. I've only flown my Python (and this exact same fit too) a little, and once I got two shotted by a railgun. I didn't even have time to react and kick up the afterburner, the RoF on railguns is too fast. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32 Atiim didn't agree with limiting tanks!

MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 345	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:20:00 - [21] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Railguns are still too powerful. I've only flown my Python (and this exact same fit too) a little, and once I got two shotted by a railgun. I didn't even have time to react and kick up the afterburner, the RoF on railguns is too fast. As much as I agree that Railgun RoF is (way) too fast, I can only say that constantly moving and never stopping unless you really know you are safe is key to survival in Python, but I do not follow my own guidelines most of the time cause I got the ISK to lose em, lol. It still stings everytime I lose one tho, but only for few seconds. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1329	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:26:00 - [22] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Railguns are still too powerful. I've only flown my Python (and this exact same fit too) a little, and once I got two shotted by a railgun. I didn't even have time to react and kick up the afterburner, the RoF on railguns is too fast. The trick is to keep moving. Despite the ADS's agility, it is very slow going to get going from a cold start in a pinch, even with an AB. Orbiting allows you to keep moving, points your turret at the target, makes you a more difficult target, and looks pro. Basically... Me in my ADS: 1,2
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 617	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:33:00 - [23] - Quote STOP SHARING MY FIT!!!!! This has been my main fit since 1.7 I've always been against hardeners, not because they didn't work but because they didn't fit my play style. I remember when everyone laughed at this fit and I giggled inside while I kept making profit with the fit. I cant remember who publicly revealed my fit using that fitting tool website. But I unclassified this fit about a couple of weeks before 1.8 rolled through. That's because I have a new fit, and let me tell you... it's to die for! <= Get it???? to die..... for??? never mind. FYI: that fit gives you 3244 shield exactly and I know how much each type of forge/rail will damage that fit depending on what spot it hits: either 0/0 <=still alive, 0/66, 0/300. Guaranteed 2 shot survivability -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 178	Posted - 2014.04.07 19:16:00 - [24] - Quote +1. Thanks for the suggestion--I'm still getting a feel for ADS, and your fit will make it easier to fly, since I won't have to worry about (mis)selecting my hardener when the sh!t gets heavy. My other dropsuit is a Python.
poison Diego NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 382	Posted - 2014.04.08 10:00:00 - [25] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: STOP SHARING MY FIT!!!!! This has been my main fit since 1.7 I've always been against hardeners, not because they didn't work but because they didn't fit my play style. I remember when everyone laughed at this fit and I giggled inside while I kept making profit with the fit. I cant remember who publicly revealed my fit using that fitting tool website. But I unclassified this fit about a couple of weeks before 1.8 rolled through. That's because I have a new fit, and let me tell you... it's to die for! <= Get it???? to die..... for??? never mind. FYI: that fit gives you 3244 shield exactly and I know how much each type of forge/rail will damage that fit depending on what spot it hits: either 0/0 <=still alive, 0/66, 0/300. Guaranteed 2 shot survivability its not very hard to guess ur fit,3244 shields and AB, not to many possibilities. but its a good fit and u can really survive. I got a new fit though I think will be better suited for all situations. Why not just put cloaks on ADSs, Forgeguns on scouts and make heavies only be able to use sidearms?
Import Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 122	Posted - 2014.04.08 10:29:00 - [26] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I can get 2.5k shield and still have a hardener on it I think you missed the entire point. No hardener is necessary. In fact it just causes more trouble for the pilot. You are only getting 40% hardened shields while your hardener is active. That leaves too much downtime and room for error. My fit is just zoom away and instantly rep. And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. 2500 shields 40% of that is an extra 1000shield, add in basic shield resists to armor AV weapons and its a bit more I have more health that you when hardener is on still, when its off you get the advantage of 600shields but i still have my AB so i can still bug out and with the fit i havnt got 1 shotted yet Hi Takahiro ( I would like to see you burning on the ground painfully inside your dammed dropship slowly getting crispy ) I can tell that my squad tried to one shot you with normal av gear assault forge guns and proto swarms.. Not going to work. Only way we could have one shotted you down was 2 same time released shots from proto breach forge. It was your luck the other forger was so drunk that he usually just shot to the wall or groud around you. We played few games against you and your teammate. Thank your for those flying lessons I am getting better with my own dropships. I look forward to see you ingame soon "If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you." Snowflake in hell those are my odds in ambush
fragmentedhackslash Arrogance. 254	Posted - 2014.04.08 10:34:00 - [27] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Railguns are still too powerful. I've only flown my Python (and this exact same fit too) a little, and once I got two shotted by a railgun. I didn't even have time to react and kick up the afterburner, the RoF on railguns is too fast. -_- Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Patrick57 6803	Posted - 2014.04.08 10:34:00 - [28] - Quote Hm, would a Complex Heavy Shield Extender, Shield Hardener, and an Afterburner be a useful fit? :3 2000+ Shields, with 40% resistance, and I could still fly off if I'm being shot at by a Railgun. :D Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Patrick57 6803	Posted - 2014.04.08 10:36:00 - [29] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: STOP SHARING MY FIT!!!!! This has been my main fit since 1.7 I've always been against hardeners, not because they didn't work but because they didn't fit my play style. I remember when everyone laughed at this fit and I giggled inside while I kept making profit with the fit. I cant remember who publicly revealed my fit using that fitting tool website. But I unclassified this fit about a couple of weeks before 1.8 rolled through. That's because I have a new fit, and let me tell you... it's to die for! <= Get it???? to die..... for??? never mind. FYI: that fit gives you 3244 shield exactly and I know how much each type of forge/rail will damage that fit depending on what spot it hits: either 0/0 <=still alive, 0/66, 0/300. Guaranteed 2 shot survivability I found out your fit by watching your YouTube video. :P Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Patrick57 6803	Posted - 2014.04.08 10:37:00 - [30] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: And at over 3000 shields you will NOT get 1 shotted. Sure, not one shot, but some of us are pretty good with rails. Wanna test that out? Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare



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