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Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1667	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:52:00 - [1] - Quote From what I can tell, the charge time to heat generation function is continuous, and anything more than about 1/3rd charge will OH the pistol. However, you can get multiple "charged" shots off in a row by charging to about 1/4 to 1/5 of a full charge and releasing the shot. What I haven't managed to test is the damage mechanics of these partially charged shots. The high heat generation leads me to believe that they must do increased damage, but I haven't gotten a chance to test this in combat- I always hold it for slightly too long and get the full OH, or just miss because the hip fire is terrible and ADS always feels clumsy inside its 20m range. How does it work? Can anyone enlighten me? Nerdier than thou
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4061	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:56:00 - [2] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: From what I can tell, the charge time to heat generation function is continuous, and anything more than about 1/3rd charge will OH the pistol. However, you can get multiple "charged" shots off in a row by charging to about 1/4 to 1/5 of a full charge and releasing the shot. What I haven't managed to test is the damage mechanics of these partially charged shots. The high heat generation leads me to believe that they must do increased damage, but I haven't gotten a chance to test this in combat- I always hold it for slightly too long and get the full OH, or just miss because the hip fire is terrible and ADS always feels clumsy inside its 20m range. How does it work? Can anyone enlighten me? Hasn't been tested yet, but I know of what you speak. Interesting bug with the Ion right now though. If you charge a shot, and then fire and hold down the trigger while it cools down, it will IMMEDIATELY overheat again right after it cools down. And it wont fire a shot. This also happens if you try to time the charge right after it cools down, and you err on the wrong side. Annoying. Why have the charge if it is both buggy and liable to get you killed? And if you aren't going to charge, WHY USE THE ION PISTOL? I want to love this gun so bad, just like my flaylock. So much fun, so hard to use I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4589	Posted - 2014.04.07 07:01:00 - [3] - Quote I would love to understand this gun more because I'm not really understanding what it is supposed to be good at. Been running it trying to get footage for a review and oh man, this gun is just god awful. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2120	Posted - 2014.04.07 07:02:00 - [4] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I would love to understand this gun more because I'm not really understanding what it is supposed to be good at. Been running it trying to get footage for a review and oh man, this gun is just god awful. Fortunately, gallente have two good thing in this game: Blaster Master2k tanks, and gallente scout. Alt#1 Scout gk.0 - ScR, CR, RR, PLC, SMG Alt#2 Madrugar - Ion Cannon Alt#3 Commando gk.0 - Shotgun, AR
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 367	Posted - 2014.04.07 07:15:00 - [5] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I would love to understand this gun more because I'm not really understanding what it is supposed to be good at. Been running it trying to get footage for a review and oh man, this gun is just god awful. It's good at having the coolest-looking reload in the game. That's, uh, 'bout it.
Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 154	Posted - 2014.04.07 07:23:00 - [6] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I would love to understand this gun more because I'm not really understanding what it is supposed to be good at. Been running it trying to get footage for a review and oh man, this gun is just god awful. I have been having relative success with the IonP but honestly it is very situational and somewhat luck based as it has hit detection issues. My usual strategy when using it isn't fancy but it works. Consider your in a fight with an opponent and need to reload so you switch to the IonP, the you hit them with 3-4 shots and if they still have a chunk of HP left you dip around a corner and charge it. Miss and you die, hit and they drop at your feet. Vae Victis Valor Vet, R.I.P MAG
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 275	Posted - 2014.04.07 07:44:00 - [7] - Quote I believe someone posted a vid on here about the ion pistol, showing damage stats against shield and armor. In the vid I think they stated that anything less than a full charge shot showed minimal benefits over normal uncharged shots, such as half charged shots. Anyways I've been running a lot of FW lately and just running around trying to charge shot anyone for kills for the event, its hilarious to OHK pretty much any mlt or std suits, save for heavies/commandos lol.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1092	Posted - 2014.04.07 08:06:00 - [8] - Quote I'd say to CCP, Just forget the heat build-up per shot. Its obviously bugged and OH randomly after 2 shots which is not only immensely annoying, monstrously lethal to the user but also incredibly dumb - since you can & have to rapid fire it anyway without heat build-up being an issue. Either make the operation bonus to charge time more significant or replace it for seize duration as its largely irrelevant (unless your planning on other variants, like a breach, with longer charge times) but right now it makes very little difference - 1.45s -> 1.0875 .... wow thats such a change up, so worth getting op 5 It has crazy dispersion but sharp 3 is almost workable. High hopes that 4 will be the clincher and it all comes together. In general just make it a more reliable weapon. I love it aesthetically and really want to use it more but most the time I start an engagement, either fail to damage the foe enough or the thing seizes up randomly and I have to switch to my trusty 'syndie' to finish the job "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
GILDENLOCK Pradox One Proficiency V. 36	Posted - 2014.04.07 16:27:00 - [9] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: I believe someone posted a vid on here about the ion pistol, showing damage stats against shield and armor. In the vid I think they stated that anything less than a full charge shot showed minimal benefits over normal uncharged shots, such as half charged shots. Anyways I've been running a lot of FW lately and just running around trying to charge shot anyone for kills for the event, its hilarious to OHK pretty much any mlt or std suits, save for heavies/commandos lol. I'm guessing that's me your talking about. Hurray! Here's my damage tests video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-18gWOn4bs And yes you're exactly right, after doing these damage tests I pretty much decided that any kind of half-charged shot was never gonna be worth it.
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 155	Posted - 2014.04.07 16:35:00 - [10] - Quote Bought 10 of them, used them up. Got one kill. Scrambler pistol? Dozens and dozens. Now....that one kill withthe ion pistol was awesome. I want that gun to work. But...I already have level 5 prof 2 in plasma cannon. How many worthless guns do i need?! Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.

RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 773	Posted - 2014.04.07 16:38:00 - [11] - Quote Uhh, it actually overheats if it's charged halfway through. BS I know. But , it is a nice 'Surprise, Motgerfucker' weapon, as few expect it Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 798	Posted - 2014.04.07 16:49:00 - [12] - Quote I really have to scratch my head at the Ion pistol. It seems like adding a charge shot, overheating mechanic would have been a PERFECT fit for the Scrambler pistol. I mean, think of it. The SCR has the charge/heat mechanic. The AR has NO charge/NO heat build up. So why add it for the Ion when it's not really necessary? Amarr mercs are used to managing heat. Gallente ones aren't. The Ion pistol could have been the perfect place to put in an automatic Pistol. Highest damage in exchange for its minuscule range, single fire but holding the trigger would have fired its whole clip fully automatically--12 or 15 rounds or so--in a high rate of fire (think: modern fully automatic pistols). A "super burst" type of gun that's more akin to Gallente's AR than an Amarrian SCR. The Bolt pistol and Flaylock certainly fit their racial molds. This odd mix-up between the Ion and the ScrP, though, I don't get. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 440	Posted - 2014.04.07 16:59:00 - [13] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: I really have to scratch my head at the Ion pistol. It seems like adding a charge shot, overheating mechanic would have been a PERFECT fit for the Scrambler pistol. I mean, think of it. The SCR has the charge/heat mechanic. The AR has NO charge/NO heat build up. So why add it for the Ion when it's not really necessary? Amarr mercs are used to managing heat. Gallente ones aren't. The Ion pistol could have been the perfect place to put in an automatic Pistol. Highest damage in exchange for its minuscule range, single fire but holding the trigger would have fired its whole clip fully automatically--12 or 15 rounds or so--in a high rate of fire (think: modern fully automatic pistols). A "super burst" type of gun that's more akin to Gallente's AR than an Amarrian SCR. The Bolt pistol and Flaylock certainly fit their racial molds. This odd mix-up between the Ion and the ScrP, though, I don't get. +1 -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 634	Posted - 2014.04.07 17:10:00 - [14] - Quote Ion is a solid finisher in CQ ohk most shotty scouts and solid for taking out snipers/hackers Ion and scp are both good sidearms where bolt and magaec are primaries when you issue a niche primary. Personally since the scp rof nerf I like the ion more since it is a slightly more forgiving finisher. Both have a good desperation mechanic too. Headshot for scp charged shot for ion. Though I agree the mechanic of the ion is exactly the same as the Scr. How are the names mixed up?
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 730	Posted - 2014.04.07 17:16:00 - [15] - Quote GILDENLOCK wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: I believe someone posted a vid on here about the ion pistol, showing damage stats against shield and armor. In the vid I think they stated that anything less than a full charge shot showed minimal benefits over normal uncharged shots, such as half charged shots. Anyways I've been running a lot of FW lately and just running around trying to charge shot anyone for kills for the event, its hilarious to OHK pretty much any mlt or std suits, save for heavies/commandos lol. I'm guessing that's me your talking about. Hurray! Here's my damage tests video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-18gWOn4bs And yes you're exactly right, after doing these damage tests I pretty much decided that any kind of half-charged shot was never gonna be worth it. Thanks Stealth for mentioning this and Golden making it. So its either full charge or no charge. Good thing I've been skipping the charge... xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1671	Posted - 2014.04.07 17:23:00 - [16] - Quote GILDENLOCK wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: I believe someone posted a vid on here about the ion pistol, showing damage stats against shield and armor. In the vid I think they stated that anything less than a full charge shot showed minimal benefits over normal uncharged shots, such as half charged shots. Anyways I've been running a lot of FW lately and just running around trying to charge shot anyone for kills for the event, its hilarious to OHK pretty much any mlt or std suits, save for heavies/commandos lol. I'm guessing that's me your talking about. Hurray! Here's my damage tests video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-18gWOn4bs And yes you're exactly right, after doing these damage tests I pretty much decided that any kind of half-charged shot was never gonna be worth it. Thanks for the answer. The one thing I thought might make this gun halfway decent turns out to be useless too. Nerdier than thou
Jaster J F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 30	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:02:00 - [17] - Quote Personally i love the ion pistols. Could be better but hey, LOL fits keep the game fresh for me :D
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:05:00 - [18] - Quote My main also loves the Ion Pistols, I've noticed though that no matter how long you hold the charge, even a fraction of a second, the IP will still overheat. The forgotten "A" in AAA
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7979	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:07:00 - [19] - Quote A partially charged shot will do more damage that a completely uncharged shot. How much? I haven't tested exactly but my guess would be a linear proportion to the max damage of a fully charged shot, which does 700% damage. Amarr are the good guys.
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:10:00 - [20] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: A partially charged shot will do more damage that a completely uncharged shot. How much? I haven't tested exactly but my guess would be a linear proportion to the max damage of a fully charged shot, which does 700% damage. I think a charged shot always does 350 damage, not sure, will have to experiment once home. The forgotten "A" in AAA

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7982	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:14:00 - [21] - Quote Ziiro Celeste wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: A partially charged shot will do more damage that a completely uncharged shot. How much? I haven't tested exactly but my guess would be a linear proportion to the max damage of a fully charged shot, which does 700% damage. I think a charged shot always does 350 damage, not sure, will have to experiment once home. Tested, a fully charged shot from a basic ion pistol with no proficiency or damage mods does 385 damage to shields and 315 damage to armor. You then work backwards knowing that the ion pistol is hybrid- plasma and does 110% to shields and 90% to armor, with base damage of 50. 385 / 1.1 / 50 = 7 315 / 0.9 / 50 = 7 That is how I got the 700% from a fully charged shot. Amarr are the good guys.
Ziiro Celeste Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:16:00 - [22] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Ziiro Celeste wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: A partially charged shot will do more damage that a completely uncharged shot. How much? I haven't tested exactly but my guess would be a linear proportion to the max damage of a fully charged shot, which does 700% damage. I think a charged shot always does 350 damage, not sure, will have to experiment once home. Tested, a fully charged shot from a basic ion pistol with no proficiency or damage mods does 385 damage to shields and 315 damage to armor. You then work backwards knowing that the ion pistol is hybrid- plasma and does 110% to shields and 90% to armor, with base damage of 50. 385 / 1.1 / 50 = 7 315 / 0.9 / 50 = 7 That is how I got the 700% from a fully charged shot. You and your mathematics....that's why I'm the forgotten "A," I'm just loud and point things out XD The forgotten "A" in AAA
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7982	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:17:00 - [23] - Quote Ziiro Celeste wrote: You and your mathematics....that's why I'm the forgotten "A," I'm just loud and point things out XD I see what are you are doing here Amarr are the good guys.


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