Because ewar scouts > bricked tanked scouts

I believe you're missing the point.

It may not be gimped as a dropsuit, but it's gimped as a scout.

But if it's clearly not built as a scout, and it's still a better scout than most assaults, while being a better assault than them, why is that even relevant?


This is like saying 'your assault? No good because it can get scanned'.

Because ewar scouts > bricked tanked scouts

No, it's like saying "your assault is okay because my scout is better"

Because Speed/Ewar scouts > Brick tanked scouts

Brick tanked scouts are mostly FOTM chasers looking to include the Cloak in their ''Flanking assault'' playstyle , thats all.
sure they have some slight E-war advantages, but those wont let them do S*** against true E-war scouts.
Sure it might be faster than most frames, but every other scout is going to be faster than you.

In other words, the TANKED Scout is not Gimped per se. It works while hunting med frames and heavies...
In other words, you have a Better MED FRAME, YES, at the cost of being the Most Vulnerable to Light frames yourself.

You are Gimped in the sense of Scout vs Scout.

Other scouts will have shotguns too, so your ''tank'' wont save you from a Creodon SG to the face.
There by,being faster,being more dampened or have better radar functions is what matters, in the 1HKO war that is Scouts vs Scouts....

But it's built for hunting meds and heavies, so its performance against scouts is not really relevant, as long as it does its job against its chosen targets.

I could make a similar argument about Gallente Logistics; 'you are gimped because you didn't bother fitting a Duvolle Focused and now you can't find all the scouts'.

No. Its built to INFILTRATE.
The ''hunt'' part is your specific playstyle. I dont hunt Med frames, so you are saying im not using the scout for its intended purpose?
Nah.
You see: The performance vs other scouts IS the most relevant performance of them all, because for a scout, another scout its the biggest hazzard....(They have the 1HKO weapons, they have the best dampening and SPEED to catch me)

Your ''similar argument'' is actually correct.If you are not using the intended equipment for the Gal logi, that is an Active scanner. Then you are doing it wrong.
Why is it wrong? Because you could use ANOTHER logi that fits your style best.
Maybe, my election of words is poor.
Its not WRONG. Its just not Optimal...

Usually it's something along the lines of 'it can't find other scouts and they can find it'.

But that's not the point of a bricked scout. Gallente scout has a higher armour ceiling than the Amarr Assault (than every assault except Gallente, to be frank. I think it's a slots thing), with bonus rep, inherent dampening (35 base before skills? Only thing that finds you is scouts and people who are explicitly trying to find you), extra equipment and it's still faster.

Now, I assume this fitting might be subpar owing to having no shield buffer and very little regen, but it is no more 'gimped' than any assault suit ever.

Again, why is it a gimped suit when it isn't designed for EWAR?

It's gimped because to get it at 'near' assault levels you move like a slug in syrup, you sacrifice your dampening and rep so even with the 3 hp/s your not repping at acceptable levels, you are fodder to the shotgun hunter Caldari scout, and getting to of danger is practically impossible.

Also don't blame this on the Gallente every suit is more than capable of brick tanking. A Caldari scout can get an extremely high brick tank also the difference is that it's hell of a lot faster and shooting if a couple of times doesn't wound it for a long time.

I get that, but what I mean is that it's not always a good idea to optimize for a specific situation.

Most battlefields aren't covered in scouts, after all, at least not ones that are covered in dampeners (or so their HP totals would tell me), so it often would not be worthwhile fitting to counter those scouts who simply are not there.
Even then, the majority of the players in this game use non-scout frames, so hunting (I'm sticking with that word, infiltrating heavies is disturbing) meds and heavies is therefore a perfectly viable playstyle, and when all the EWAR scouts are insisting that it's possible to counter them with awareness, why not just do that with a scout?

Also, I've just realised what you meant by the infiltrate part - that was poorly written on my part, I suppose.

I'm not trying to suggest that scouts are designed to hunt mediums, just that this particular fitting is built around killing mediums rather than scouts.

EDIT: with the GalLogi argument, I'm referring to carrying the Focused scanner to find edge case targets who usually don't even exist :) as opposed to other, more generally effective scanners.

Ok i understand what you are saying and will give you +1 for that ''infiltrate heavies'' part. XD

The question of the Thread is simple:
Why are people saying bricked scouts are gimped?
Answer:
Because the more you brick tank a scout , the more vulnerable you are to OTHER scouts.

See?
Simple.

Ok i understand what you are saying and will give you +1 for that ''infiltrate heavies'' part. XD

The question of the Thread is simple:
Why are people saying bricked scouts are gimped?
Answer:
Because the more you brick tank a scout , the more vulnerable you are to OTHER scouts.

See?
Simple.

*sigh*

I suppose I do see that, even though I don't entirely agree.

*sigh*

I suppose I do see that, even though I don't entirely agree.

Let's put it this way:
A prototype scout brick tanks his suit and decides to well...assault. No one can seem to beat him, until one day, I use my precision enhanced caldari scout (ADV) to flank and kill him.
True story.

WEll , let me help you with that ! since im a great guy! (and im at work SUPER bored)

Scouts with cloaks, Do well vs Med Frames and Heavy frames as it is.Regardless of EHP values.
See?
I do good with 90Shields and 160 armor. And your Brick tanked scout with 700HP can do good vs them too!

YAY!

But at the moment of fighting a scout with a scout:
Speed, Dampening,Precision,stamina...they all become a LOT more important than 200-400HP....
Why? Because Scouts use Low range,HIGH RoF or High damage weapons like SMG's or SHOTGUNS.
These weapons are very unforgiving and it wont make a difference if you a have a 650HP scout and i have a 300 HP scout, since my Proto Shotgun will drop you in a single shot never the less.

So , we BOTH do great vs med frames and Heavies.
But i have the advantage over you while fighting Scout vs scout.

(this was all made as an Example! i dont know your level of skill and im NOT implying im better than you in any way)

I'm not a scout :)
S'all good.

Although wouldn't that buffer necessitate a second shot, unless you get a headshot?

(Not really arguing the point, because one shot isn't really enough time for reaction).

I still stand my by original (implied) assertion which is that scouts are better assaults than assaults.