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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1976
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:17:00 -
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who honestly doesn't give a f*ck if people call me a scrub for using shotguns and cloaks now?
last time I recall, I didn't spend 3+ million sp on the shotgun just to not use it, and I'm sure as hell not gonna stop using the gun I've been using since I started this game just because other people don't like it.
and cloaks. I, like A LOT of other scouts have been waiting for them for a VERY long time, and now that they're finally here, we're not going to use them because some crybabies don't know how to use their eyes?
I think that most people don't dislike how fast you can decloak, then shoot, and that's understandable. I'm not against an increase to the amount of time it takes to decloak then fire, but other than that, I can't think of anything else that might make it OP.
cloaks helped emphasize the importance of ewar in this game. now you have people running precision enhancers when before, they were a joke! to me, the game feels a lot deeper with cloaks, like my precision enhancers actually matter, since I can still see most cloaked scouts, and ewar in general has become so much more prominent.
too many time I've been in a squad and here guys start raging about how broken scouts are, when they don't even run ewar mods to at least TRY to counter them. people aren't willing to sacrifice anything to combat other tactics, then complain when they get killed because of it.
TL;DR
I could care less if I get called a fotm scrub for using the role I've been using for over a year, and instead of complaining that everything is OP, fit your suits to counter the tactics that you have the most trouble facing.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1787
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:18:00 -
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well concidering its a bug that you can shoot before you end up decloaking.... |
Cosgar
ParagonX
9175
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:19:00 -
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Just enjoy it while you can until you get nerfed to the ground like everything else competitive around here. The nerf bat is the true scrub weapon in Dust.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1977
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:22:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:well concidering its a bug that you can shoot before you end up decloaking....
I've heard of that bug, but I don't know how to do that. I'm talking about the normal switching to weapon then firing.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
8098
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:25:00 -
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scrub
My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone.
If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
8098
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:26:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Just enjoy it while you can until you get nerfed to the ground like everything else competitive around here. The nerf bat is the true scrub weapon in Dust.
Ah, the Logi in denial.
My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone.
If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
1787
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:26:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:well concidering its a bug that you can shoot before you end up decloaking.... I've heard of that bug, but I don't know how to do that. I'm talking about the normal switching to weapon then firing.
yup thats the one, you can get 2-3 shots off before you actually decloak by switching weapons while cloaked and shooting as fast as you can :P
netcode FTW
people are calling you a scrub because they are seeing you decloak AFTER they are already dead :P |
TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2963
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:27:00 -
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Most cloaked scouts are worse than when we didn't have them lol.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
Dust for over a year, gaming for over 18 and counting.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
1242
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:28:00 -
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I agree that you should still use what you skilled into, its not your fault CCP made the shotgun and cloak combination work so well. Scout is easy mode though, it is for me now at least. As for equipping precision mods, its doesn't do any good for any suits that aren't scouts (I believe), without completely eliminating all other combat effectiveness, and that is a problem IMO. Scanners are completely broken. I see both sides of the coin I play scout on one character and a little of almost all else on another, scout are a little OP.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:00:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:well concidering its a bug that you can shoot before you end up decloaking.... I've heard of that bug, but I don't know how to do that. I'm talking about the normal switching to weapon then firing. yup thats the one, you can get 2-3 shots off before you actually decloak by switching weapons while cloaked and shooting as fast as you can :P netcode FTW people are calling you a scrub because they are seeing you decloak AFTER they are already dead :P i realise its not intentional, but its broken none the less. CCP purposly corrected the cloak design to prevent shooting while cloaked, but the netcode from hell is letting people do it anyways. its a design flaw and not intended operation.
If they don't see me run up to them cloaked, then they wouldn't see me if I was uncloaked.
Just sayin.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Onesimus Tarsus
1809
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:06:00 -
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If the crutch fits...
If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking.
I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
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Onesimus Tarsus
1809
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:08:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:well concidering its a bug that you can shoot before you end up decloaking.... I've heard of that bug, but I don't know how to do that. I'm talking about the normal switching to weapon then firing. yup thats the one, you can get 2-3 shots off before you actually decloak by switching weapons while cloaked and shooting as fast as you can :P netcode FTW people are calling you a scrub because they are seeing you decloak AFTER they are already dead :P i realise its not intentional, but its broken none the less. CCP purposly corrected the cloak design to prevent shooting while cloaked, but the netcode from hell is letting people do it anyways. its a design flaw and not intended operation. If they don't see me run up to them cloaked, then they wouldn't see me if I was uncloaked. Just sayin.
So, the cloak doesn't work?
If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking.
I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Endless Hatred
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4637
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:09:00 -
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I've played a scout since I joined on July 30th, 2012.
I'm enjoying my time in the sun.
However, I'm not playing it like an assault. My scout fits are still scout fits, and put utility (hack speed, mobility, uplinks) before combat.
I'm from the weird side of the internet
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
5528
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:11:00 -
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Yes, out of billions of people on this Earth you are the only one.
1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole -Title Awarded by True Adamance
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
266
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:15:00 -
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No you are not the only one. My BPO fit is finally useful again, & I'm loving it. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2699
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:18:00 -
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If you don't then why did you make this thread?
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3807
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:26:00 -
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The scrub doth protest too much.
No.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
883
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:30:00 -
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Nah, I don't give a **** about what people say about you. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:38:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:well concidering its a bug that you can shoot before you end up decloaking.... I've heard of that bug, but I don't know how to do that. I'm talking about the normal switching to weapon then firing. yup thats the one, you can get 2-3 shots off before you actually decloak by switching weapons while cloaked and shooting as fast as you can :P netcode FTW people are calling you a scrub because they are seeing you decloak AFTER they are already dead :P i realise its not intentional, but its broken none the less. CCP purposly corrected the cloak design to prevent shooting while cloaked, but the netcode from hell is letting people do it anyways. its a design flaw and not intended operation. If they don't see me run up to them cloaked, then they wouldn't see me if I was uncloaked. Just sayin. So, the cloak doesn't work?
It works for situations if there are like 10 people moving at you and you need a to hide, but if you do hide, you'll likely be spotted so you need to not be obvious.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1984
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:53:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:If you don't then why did you make this thread?
I don't know. maybe to get people to try to counter cloaks, rather than whining about it.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3513
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:57:00 -
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Just like Grandma used to say...
"Eh, **** 'em."
I GÖú Kittens.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1985
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:01:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:I agree that you should still use what you skilled into, its not your fault CCP made the shotgun and cloak combination work so well. Scout is easy mode though, it is for me now at least. As for equipping precision mods, its doesn't do any good for any suits that aren't scouts (I believe), without completely eliminating all other combat effectiveness, and that is a problem IMO. Scanners are completely broken. I see both sides of the coin I play scout on one character and a little of almost all else on another, scout are a little OP.
I wouldn't say that scouts are OP. I think it's more that the assault needs to be put back in line with the other suits.
when you think about it, every suit is doing just fine except for assaults, and I think that's where most of the complaining is coming from. assaults who's role on the battlefield has been outdone by the scout. I know how that feels, as that was the scout life pre 1.8, so I'm all for getting assaults put back into power, just not by directly nerfing scouts. maybe reduce the scout's ability to brick tank. make it so that they still can, but assaults can do it better, because that seems to be the main problem in the assault v. scout argument.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Waiyu Ren
Seeker of The Path
96
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:01:00 -
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If it's not working the way it's supposed to, then it should be fixed.
If it is though, and this statement applies to every way to use assets and gameplay mechanics in a tactic or strategy, then it is valid.
The way I see the term "Scrub" used on this forum, the word must contextually mean: "I don't do that, and I don't like that you do that, therefore you are a bad player". 
To recap: Broken mechanics = bad, strategy/tactics = good.
Shouting doesn't make your opinion seem more valid, it just makes you seem more annoying.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4936
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:13:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:well concidering its a bug that you can shoot before you end up decloaking.... I've heard of that bug, but I don't know how to do that. I'm talking about the normal switching to weapon then firing. yup thats the one, you can get 2-3 shots off before you actually decloak by switching weapons while cloaked and shooting as fast as you can :P netcode FTW people are calling you a scrub because they are seeing you decloak AFTER they are already dead :P i realise its not intentional, but its broken none the less. CCP purposly corrected the cloak design to prevent shooting while cloaked, but the netcode from hell is letting people do it anyways. its a design flaw and not intended operation.
You're incorrect.
When you switch from a cloak to a weapon (without the bug), you begin a decloak animation IMMEDIATELY, and the decloak sound plays IMMEDIATELY. Netcode means this sound and animation don't start immediately for the other player, but the delay is SHORTER THAN YOUR WEAPON SWAP TIME, EVEN WITH LAG FACTORED IN.
Before you have your weapon out, the cloak animation has started breaking up on your intended victim's screen, leaving you still partially-cloaked, but more visible than even the shimmer you get while running. You can get 2 shots off with a Shotgun before FULLY decloaking, but you WILL be significantly more visible than the usual not-very-invisible-anyway state when your cloak is properly active.
The ACTUAL bug with the weapon is the one where you can switch to your weapon WITHOUT breaking cloak. There's been a hotfix to repair one glitch people were exploiting, but they didn't fix all the ways it could be triggered. When using this glitch, you can get your first shot off BEFORE the decloak animation begins, AND before the decloak sound plays. As a result, this also allows a Shotgunner exploiting the glitch to get a 3rd shot fired before the cloak is completely broken. As an added bonus, exploiting this glitch also prevents you from decloaking when your cloak timer runs out, allowing you to stay permanently cloaked until you decide to attack. |
Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:16:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:If you don't then why did you make this thread? I don't know. maybe to get people to try to counter cloaks, rather than whining about it.
Used to be, one good whine would kill your average scout.
If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking.
I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
9175
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:22:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:Just enjoy it while you can until you get nerfed to the ground like everything else competitive around here. The nerf bat is the true scrub weapon in Dust. Ah, the Logi in denial.
Cat, if it weren't for people like you, people like me wouldn't be having fun playing good games for a change. But if you ever come to BF4, complaining about the support class, I will personally make it my life mission to end you.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
108
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:30:00 -
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None of the truly good players care. It's the ones that skill into the FotM strictly because it is the FotM that scream and cry and deny that they're FotM groupies.
3/10 Federal Marines -- 1/10 Republic Command
Matari Commando Pride -- Mass Driver Specialist
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voidfaction
Void of Faction
202
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:59:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:who honestly doesn't give a f*ck if people call me a scrub for using shotguns and cloaks now?
last time I recall, I didn't spend 3+ million sp on the shotgun just to not use it, and I'm sure as hell not gonna stop using the gun I've been using since I started this game just because other people don't like it.
and cloaks. I, like A LOT of other scouts have been waiting for them for a VERY long time, and now that they're finally here, we're not going to use them because some crybabies don't know how to use their eyes?
I think that most people dislike how fast you can decloak, then shoot, and that's understandable. I'm not against an increase to the amount of time it takes to decloak then fire, but other than that, I can't think of anything else that might make it OP.
cloaks helped emphasize the importance of ewar in this game. now you have people running precision enhancers when before, they were a joke! to me, the game feels a lot deeper with cloaks, like my precision enhancers actually matter, since I can still see most cloaked scouts, and ewar in general has become so much more prominent.
too many time I've been in a squad and here guys start raging about how broken scouts are, when they don't even run ewar mods to at least TRY to counter them. people aren't willing to sacrifice anything to combat other tactics, then complain when they get killed because of it.
TL;DR
I could care less if I get called a fotm scrub for using the role I've been using for over a year, and instead of complaining that everything is OP, fit your suits to counter the tactics that you have the most trouble facing.
I guess i'm a scrub too.
caldari scout
shotgun
3x precision
2x profile
cloak field
precision shotgun clacker. the best counter scrub scrub fitting
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
360
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:00:00 -
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o7 see you on the field mate ^^ Just kindly if you see me in read, stick a note in my pocket instead of a shell in my ass. Promise ill find it later and I generally stay away from other scouts i actually know. Unless your running knives. All old scouts are up for a knife fight ^^
Dedicated Stealth Scout.
Scout instructor; Learning Coalition
Sidearms are terribly underestimated.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
1173
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:08:00 -
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Damn right biscuit! damn right.
Assassination is my thing.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
1244
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:37:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:I agree that you should still use what you skilled into, its not your fault CCP made the shotgun and cloak combination work so well. Scout is easy mode though, it is for me now at least. As for equipping precision mods, its doesn't do any good for any suits that aren't scouts (I believe), without completely eliminating all other combat effectiveness, and that is a problem IMO. Scanners are completely broken. I see both sides of the coin I play scout on one character and a little of almost all else on another, scout are a little OP. I wouldn't say that scouts are OP. I think it's more that the assault needs to be put back in line with the other suits. when you think about it, every suit is doing just fine except for assaults, and I think that's where most of the complaining is coming from. assaults who's role on the battlefield has been outdone by the scout. I know how that feels, as that was the scout life pre 1.8, so I'm all for getting assaults put back into power, just not by directly nerfing scouts. maybe reduce the scout's ability to brick tank. make it so that they still can, but assaults can do it better, because that seems to be the main problem in the assault v. scout argument.
For one I would adjust default assault scanning so that if an assault put SP into scanning precision so that if an assault decided he wanted to run a couple precision enhancers he can do so. I think the biggest problem with "E-war" at the moment is it belongs to only one class. 2 if scanners ever get fixed.
Assaults aren't as bad off as everyone makes them to be, but when I really want to do well my cloaked scout is a better choice.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
8108
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Posted - 2014.04.06 07:23:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:Just enjoy it while you can until you get nerfed to the ground like everything else competitive around here. The nerf bat is the true scrub weapon in Dust. Ah, the Logi in denial. Cat, if it weren't for people like you, people like me wouldn't be having fun playing good games for a change. But if you ever come to BF4, complaining about the support class, I will personally make it my life mission to end you.
I am not complaining about the support?
I play BF4 quite often.
My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone.
If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
426
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Posted - 2014.04.06 09:04:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:well concidering its a bug that you can shoot before you end up decloaking.... I've heard of that bug, but I don't know how to do that. I'm talking about the normal switching to weapon then firing. yup thats the one, you can get 2-3 shots off before you actually decloak by switching weapons while cloaked and shooting as fast as you can :P netcode FTW people are calling you a scrub because they are seeing you decloak AFTER they are already dead :P i realise its not intentional, but its broken none the less. CCP purposly corrected the cloak design to prevent shooting while cloaked, but the netcode from hell is letting people do it anyways. its a design flaw and not intended operation. If they don't see me run up to them cloaked, then they wouldn't see me if I was uncloaked. Just sayin.
So do you use a cloak? Why?
Yes, you can see cloaks, but not in the middle of a firefight while you are dodging and ducking and trying to see who needs repping and with your own cloaked team running around. I don't mind cloaks, I mind that even when I see scouts they have enough HP and speed to close the distance for a OHK even if I am hitting them.
Because, that's why.
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Tectonic Fusion
1426
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Posted - 2014.04.06 23:39:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:well concidering its a bug that you can shoot before you end up decloaking.... I've heard of that bug, but I don't know how to do that. I'm talking about the normal switching to weapon then firing. yup thats the one, you can get 2-3 shots off before you actually decloak by switching weapons while cloaked and shooting as fast as you can :P netcode FTW people are calling you a scrub because they are seeing you decloak AFTER they are already dead :P i realise its not intentional, but its broken none the less. CCP purposly corrected the cloak design to prevent shooting while cloaked, but the netcode from hell is letting people do it anyways. its a design flaw and not intended operation. If they don't see me run up to them cloaked, then they wouldn't see me if I was uncloaked. Just sayin. So do you use a cloak? Why? Yes, you can see cloaks, but not in the middle of a firefight while you are dodging and ducking and trying to see who needs repping and with your own cloaked team running around. I don't mind cloaks, I mind that even when I see scouts they have enough HP and speed to close the distance for a OHK even if I am hitting them.
I use the cloak to deceive those who try to follow me and kill them when they pass. And you can see cloaks in the middle of a firefight if they aren't behind you. I usually insta kill then look around, kill, then look for cloaked players. It's not that hard...
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