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Mathew LaBorde
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:26:00 -
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Could we possibly get a bump in isk payout? Just because I wasn't at the top of the list doesn't mean I didn't contribute to the battle. 120K for fourth place is mildnesa. My suit cost forty K and I died four times. Djinn. At least let me make a profit. I went 18/4 and got 120K isk? Terrible |
bully mong
The Elite Forces Of Feros Academy
3
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:41:00 -
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It also could help the newbies when they are trying to compete with protostompers |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
2222
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:44:00 -
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Eh? What are you playing? Ambush? I get anywhere between 200 to 400k in Domination pretty easily and that's without topping the boards.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7
Long live the Commandos!
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1376
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:49:00 -
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No. An increased isk payout would just make it stupid for me to run anything but proto. I am a poor vet and I have well over 100 mil isk at this point. I rarely loose isk in matches at this point even running all advanced suits. If we get more isk per match I will just run proto all the time since I'll still make a profit. What you really want is reduced isk payouts. That would force older players to run cheaper fits to still make their profits thus making it easier for new players to compete with them.
A reduction in the total isk in circulation would greatly level the playing field.
Fun > Realism
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Jimmy McNaulty
NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs
65
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:54:00 -
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it's not merely that you came in 4th... you also need to see by how many WP you were beaten. with your 18 kills we will give you 900 WP, but if first, second, and third were a squad of protostompers and went 3500, 2700, and 2200, then, comparitively, you fall pretty far down the list.
Keep an eye out for that... also, if you had just finished thrashing a team of militia wearing ISK misers then the payout would be pretty low as well |
Wilhelm Klingspor
DUST University Ivy League
155
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:03:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:No. An increased isk payout would just make it stupid for me to run anything but proto. I am a poor vet and I have well over 100 mil isk at this point. I rarely loose isk in matches at this point even running all advanced suits. If we get more isk per match I will just run proto all the time since I'll still make a profit. What you really want is reduced isk payouts. That would force older players to run cheaper fits to still make their profits thus making it easier for new players to compete with them.
A reduction in the total isk in circulation would greatly level the playing field.
As much as i would like to get my grubby little hands on some more isk after a match, he certainly has a point.
The other day i was introducing someone to dust and the different playingstyles but i ended up playing the starting fits becaus all the arsing around was beginning to get a pricetag.
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Aisaka Tiaga
Betamax 2.0 INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
4
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:07:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:No. An increased isk payout would just make it stupid for me to run anything but proto. I am a poor vet and I have well over 100 mil isk at this point. I rarely loose isk in matches at this point even running all advanced suits. If we get more isk per match I will just run proto all the time since I'll still make a profit. What you really want is reduced isk payouts. That would force older players to run cheaper fits to still make their profits thus making it easier for new players to compete with them.
A reduction in the total isk in circulation would greatly level the playing field.
I have to disagree, look at PC, corps like Nyain San can lose thousands of proto suits and not make a dent to their wallet. If the ISK payout is reduced that means that less people can be competitive in this game. |
Chuckles Brown
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:07:00 -
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If you've ever spent a match f*cking around, accomplishing nothing and find yourself in the lower 8, you'll realize why players can't compete in this game.
Those guys are making 60k, or less, per match... they're getting nowhere. Sure, their gear is usually cheap crap, but how can you build a bank roll when you're earning that? How can you gain enough ISK to run better gear and improve at the game?
Instead, they get protostomped, make no ISK, and quit the game. The protostompers have a revenue stream that exceeds public match budgets.
This is why new players need to be segregated. It is the number one problem the game isn't retaining players, and has a turnover rate standing at about 4000%
The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial
Do you pub, brah?
Latest 8213 Ban Lifted: 07.02.2014
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Mathew LaBorde
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
44
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:03:00 -
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Ccp . Please read
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME
1249
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:09:00 -
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Kill the proto stompers and let the blues take the reds. Thats how you'll get profit.
Assassination is my thing.
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:36:00 -
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It's not that ISK needs to be buffed, but that everyone on the team needs to start earning more or less equal amounts of money. Of course, the AFKers would have a field day, but that's a problem that's actually quite a quick fix.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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SPACE SYPHILIS
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:48:00 -
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ISK payout is F****. Why is it I go 2400+ WP 27-6 in kills and come in second place only to get 160K ISK. ISK payout never makes since. I can go 8-1 650 WP and make 240K while I can go 48-9 3000 WP and all I get is 220K ISK If someone can tell me how ISK is paid out and I can prove you are correct I will donate 50 million to your genius. |
keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:50:00 -
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SPACE SYPHILIS wrote:ISK payout is F****. Why is it I go 2400+ WP 27-6 in kills and come in second place only to get 160K ISK . ISK payout never makes since. I can go 8-1 650 WP and make 240K while I can go 48-9 3000 WP and all I get is 220K ISK If someone can tell me how ISK is paid out and I can prove you are correct I will donate 50 million to your genius. It's mystical. I'm broke, even though I try so hard to help my team. :(
Accepting Donations (TM)
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
590
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:16:00 -
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Mathew LaBorde wrote:Could we possibly get a bump in isk payout? Just because I wasn't at the top of the list doesn't mean I didn't contribute to the battle. 120K for fourth place is mildnesa. My suit cost forty K and I died four times. Djinn. At least let me make a profit. I went 18/4 and got 120K isk? Terrible So, essentially you used a mildly costly fit to perform mildly well but you failed to make any ISK.
I'm going to be the broken record here and say "don't field what you cannot afford." If you wanted to make ISK but failed to do so at the end of the match, the fault lies with you and not the system. The player, you, has full control over how much ISK is risked in a match.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:22:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Mathew LaBorde wrote:Could we possibly get a bump in isk payout? Just because I wasn't at the top of the list doesn't mean I didn't contribute to the battle. 120K for fourth place is mildnesa. My suit cost forty K and I died four times. Djinn. At least let me make a profit. I went 18/4 and got 120K isk? Terrible So, essentially you used a mildly costly fit to perform mildly well but you failed to make any ISK. I'm going to be the broken record here and say "don't field what you cannot afford." If you wanted to make ISK but failed to do so at the end of the match, the fault lies with you and not the system. The player, you, has full control over how much ISK is risked in a match. Makes sense. Until you enter a match with militia vs protostomppers.
Sure, you won't lose any money. But you just wasted 10 minutes of your life on something that wasn't even fun.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
R 0 N 1 N
1140
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:35:00 -
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Pick up a rep tool {ADV] and a needle [also ADV]. Kill protos save lives=profit.
Specialize in Mass Drivers
Why don't you come over and say it to my face, BUB?
Ima force-a-nature
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1870
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:39:00 -
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keno trader wrote:It's not that ISK needs to be buffed, but that everyone on the team needs to start earning more or less equal amounts of money. Of course, the AFKers would have a field day, but that's a problem that's actually quite a quick fix. Hell no. When I burn an 80k dropship + 20k suit lugging uplinks all over the map, then commit suicide to pull out nice nanohives in the right places, then commit suicide in that 120k suit AGAIN to come back in a combat fit and go to work, then rack up over a third of my team's total kills, I've earned my 500k Dom payout. I don't care if people "tried" to help the team, if you go 1/15 with 100WP, I'm not taking a pay cut for the sake of equality. New Eden blah blah.
Nerdier than thou
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
121
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:40:00 -
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Mathew LaBorde wrote:Could we possibly get a bump in isk payout? Just because I wasn't at the top of the list doesn't mean I didn't contribute to the battle. 120K for fourth place is mildnesa. My suit cost forty K and I died four times. Djinn. At least let me make a profit. I went 18/4 and got 120K isk? Terrible Start doing more than just killing
Making Friends And Enemies Everyday
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medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
591
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:57:00 -
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keno trader wrote:medomai grey wrote:Mathew LaBorde wrote:Could we possibly get a bump in isk payout? Just because I wasn't at the top of the list doesn't mean I didn't contribute to the battle. 120K for fourth place is mildnesa. My suit cost forty K and I died four times. Djinn. At least let me make a profit. I went 18/4 and got 120K isk? Terrible So, essentially you used a mildly costly fit to perform mildly well but you failed to make any ISK. I'm going to be the broken record here and say "don't field what you cannot afford." If you wanted to make ISK but failed to do so at the end of the match, the fault lies with you and not the system. The player, you, has full control over how much ISK is risked in a match. Makes sense. Until you enter a match with militia vs protostomppers. Sure, you won't lose any money. But you just wasted 10 minutes of your life on something that wasn't even fun. He wanted to make money. And for those with a spine, being proto stomped just means more potential ISK reward. Running mlt/basic against proto tier is low risk and high rewards in terms of making ISK.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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Egypt Musk
154
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:15:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:This is one of those situations thats its tuff to pick a side .
I can agree that it isk payout need to be a bit higher not by much but marginally for those with out BPO's to be able to make some isk.
There is allays the issues of players wanting to play with fits outside there pay bracket causing bankruptcy. If you do not know how to balance your books your never going to turn a profit period.
My 3 money making fits ATM are
Templar Sentanl 1x Militia dmg mod bpo 2x Militia armor plate bpo Templar Scarmler pistol Heavy machine gun Flux grenade/av grenade/Militia locus grenade bpo
total cost 2200 isk non bpo variant 5000 isk
Large profit suit for sure
Amar Templar logi 2 x militia dmg mod bpo militia armor plate bpo militia armor rep bpo dren ar bpo/ Templar scrambler rifle bpo Templar scrambler pistol bpo Templar uplink bpo militia uplink bpo
cost 0 isk isk variant 5000 isk
Caldari commando
militia dmg mod bpo basic shield energizer dren ar bpo rail rifle
cost 6000 isk full is variant 6500
notice the prices for the fits I could die 50-100 times in a battle and still turn a profit ( even if I ran the full isk variants).
To the new guys out there get your core skills up and you will see these fits survivability sky rocket.
Find a truly cheap fit with a 7k isk max limit that fits your play style and run it till it feels like your proto.
Get your wallet up to min a 100m ( should take about a month for some one who caps weekly ) and problem solved. |
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2014.04.15 07:18:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:keno trader wrote:It's not that ISK needs to be buffed, but that everyone on the team needs to start earning more or less equal amounts of money. Of course, the AFKers would have a field day, but that's a problem that's actually quite a quick fix. Hell no. When I burn an 80k dropship + 20k suit lugging uplinks all over the map, then commit suicide to pull out nice nanohives in the right places, then commit suicide in that 120k suit AGAIN to come back in a combat fit and go to work, then rack up over a third of my team's total kills, I've earned my 500k Dom payout. I don't care if people "tried" to help the team, if you go 1/15 with 100WP, I'm not taking a pay cut for the sake of equality. New Eden blah blah.
How about you keep your money, and the noobier peeople get more? That make sense?
Besides, it's your own fault you are wasting your 120 k suit. Go to a supply point or something.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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TODDSTER024
Revive Repair Resupply
199
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Posted - 2014.04.15 07:52:00 -
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The suit I'm running has a total meta level of 6. S whoever kills me doesn't make very much off of it |
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