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Stupid Blueberry wrote:

Meee One wrote:

Someone once posted "getting Nyain/FOTM chasers to move suits is like herding cats".

Well, CCP has successfully done so,to scouts/heavies.

We all should agree that scouts and heavies should be semi-rare.
After all there are only 5 points in skirmish max currently.
And scouts should take skill to use,unlike they do currently.

Mediums should be the most common (including assault and logis).

But how does CCP herd this group of cats to assaults for attacking (offensive bonuses) and logis for supporting (defensive bonuses).

Taking slots/nerfing one to make the other more appealing isn't a valid answer in this thread.
As proven by scouts,nothing was nerfed below them,they were buffed up to other suits standards.

This is a buffs only response thread,suggest buffs to your particular choice of medium frame.
Nerfs are not accepted in any form.
Remember CCP is still looking at mediums so your suggestion might be make or break for your particular choice.

And "anything faster than the logi" is a bad suggestion.
We need things to make each suit unique not necessarily dominant,it must have a counter to prevent it from being OP.

I'll start:
-Damage resistance while repping,reviving for logis
-or-
-Reps while repping,and damage resistance while reviving for logis

INB4 assaults wanting the best of everything and wanting logis to be helpless civilians in an active battlefield.

All of the assaults need better skill bonuses except for the amarr, which should receive an additional low slot.

All of the logis need the rep tool bonus, not just the Minmatar. (I run a rep tool on my scout hue hue)

Minmatar logi should then in turn receive a skill bonus to max remote explosives carried per level.

I tried Smile

John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

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Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 716	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:04:00 - [1] - Quote Someone once posted "getting Nyain/FOTM chasers to move suits is like herding cats". Well, CCP has successfully done so,to scouts/heavies. We all should agree that scouts and heavies should be semi-rare. After all there are only 5 points in skirmish max currently. And scouts should take skill to use,unlike they do currently. Mediums should be the most common (including assault and logis). But how does CCP herd this group of cats to assaults for attacking (offensive bonuses) and logis for supporting (defensive bonuses). Taking slots/nerfing one to make the other more appealing isn't a valid answer in this thread. As proven by scouts,nothing was nerfed below them,they were buffed up to other suits standards. This is a buffs only response thread,suggest buffs to your particular choice of medium frame. Nerfs are not accepted in any form. Remember CCP is still looking at mediums so your suggestion might be make or break for your particular choice. And "anything faster than the logi" is a bad suggestion. We need things to make each suit unique not necessarily dominant,it must have a counter to prevent it from being OP. I'll start: -Damage resistance while repping,reviving for logis -or- -Reps while repping,and damage resistance while reviving for logis INB4 assaults wanting the best of everything and wanting logis to be helpless civilians in an active battlefield. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3933	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:12:00 - [2] - Quote Bamm Havoc mentioned something in his video that he quoted from Pyrex. It's the attitude to win at any cost. If a tactic is available for anybody to use to gain advantage, it will be used. We cannot change that. The only way we really can is by beating them at their own game, then maybe they will herd to something else. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 716	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:18:00 - [3] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Bamm Havoc mentioned something in his video that he quoted from Pyrex. It's the attitude to win at any cost. If a tactic is available for anybody to use to gain advantage, it will be used. We cannot change that. The only way we really can is by beating them at their own game, then maybe they will herd to something else. That isn't true in the slightest,most FOTM users migrated not because they were "beaten" but because it was easier to win with the new buffs scouts got. So 2+2 = give mediums bonuses that will bring victory faster and they will move to them. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3935	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:21:00 - [4] - Quote Meee One wrote: That isn't true in the slightest,most FOTM users migrated not because they were "beaten" but because it was easier to win with the new buffs scouts got. You just said the same thing as, It's the attitude to win at any cost. If a tactic is available for anybody to use to gain advantage, it will be used. Where does it mention "beaten" anywhere in that? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 716	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:27:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Meee One wrote: That isn't true in the slightest,most FOTM users migrated not because they were "beaten" but because it was easier to win with the new buffs scouts got. You just said the same thing as, It's the attitude to win at any cost. If a tactic is available for anybody to use to gain advantage, it will be used. Where does it mention "beaten" anywhere in that? Michael Arck wrote: The only way we really can is by beating them at their own game, then maybe they will herd to something else. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3935	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:37:00 - [6] - Quote Meee One wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Meee One wrote: That isn't true in the slightest,most FOTM users migrated not because they were "beaten" but because it was easier to win with the new buffs scouts got. You just said the same thing as, It's the attitude to win at any cost. If a tactic is available for anybody to use to gain advantage, it will be used. Where does it mention "beaten" anywhere in that? Michael Arck wrote: The only way we really can is by beating them at their own game, then maybe they will herd to something else. Excuse me, but where does it say beaten in anything that I reposted? And about me using "beaten" in that second part...you let that post just fly over your head. Let's try this another way. The only way to "herd" them to something else is by finding an advantage in a dropsuit or piece of equipment and beating them. In other words, toughen up, accept the challenge, find the will and the strategy to win because that's what they done. that's the only way to beat them... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
abarkrishna WarRavens 361	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:52:00 - [7] - Quote Logi's and assault suits should have the same slots except for equipment within their own race. For example gallente logi and gallente assault both have the same high and low slots. The only difference being equipment. By doing this "slayer logi's" will no longer be a thing because assaults will simply be able to kill better. I do think having a damage reduction while healing or repping would be nice I can not say everyone would agree with it because I am a logi and therefore biased. I had also seen a post earlier where someone suggested adding other logi type roles (healer,Support/resupply) similar to the scouts secondaries like pilot suits and stuff. I very much think that is a huge step in the right direction. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 115	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:57:00 - [8] - Quote Meee One wrote: Someone once posted "getting Nyain/FOTM chasers to move suits is like herding cats". Well, CCP has successfully done so,to scouts/heavies. We all should agree that scouts and heavies should be semi-rare. After all there are only 5 points in skirmish max currently. And scouts should take skill to use,unlike they do currently. Mediums should be the most common (including assault and logis). But how does CCP herd this group of cats to assaults for attacking (offensive bonuses) and logis for supporting (defensive bonuses). Taking slots/nerfing one to make the other more appealing isn't a valid answer in this thread. As proven by scouts,nothing was nerfed below them,they were buffed up to other suits standards. This is a buffs only response thread,suggest buffs to your particular choice of medium frame. Nerfs are not accepted in any form. Remember CCP is still looking at mediums so your suggestion might be make or break for your particular choice. And "anything faster than the logi" is a bad suggestion. We need things to make each suit unique not necessarily dominant,it must have a counter to prevent it from being OP. I'll start: -Damage resistance while repping,reviving for logis -or- -Reps while repping,and damage resistance while reviving for logis INB4 assaults wanting the best of everything and wanting logis to be helpless civilians in an active battlefield. All of the assaults need better skill bonuses except for the amarr, which should receive an additional low slot. All of the logis need the rep tool bonus, not just the Minmatar. (I run a rep tool on my scout hue hue) Minmatar logi should then in turn receive a skill bonus to max remote explosives carried per level. I tried
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 343	Posted - 2014.04.04 09:14:00 - [9] - Quote For the record, saying nerfs are never ok is kinda silly. But anyway, here's my suggestion for the medium suits. Note that it does in fact involve taking one module slot away from Logis, but increasing their base HP. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 717	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:00:00 - [10] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: For the record, saying nerfs are never ok is kinda silly. But anyway, here's my suggestion for the medium suits. Note that it does in fact involve taking one module slot away from Logis, but increasing their base HP. I said NO nerfs. Your suggestion nerfs logis and buffs assaults which is counter productive. And blowing me off by calling what i say "silly" proves you're an immature twit that refuses any answers but your own. Case in point,how often you repost that shatty thread as if it's a good idea. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 717	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:05:00 - [11] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Meee One wrote: Someone once posted "getting Nyain/FOTM chasers to move suits is like herding cats". Well, CCP has successfully done so,to scouts/heavies. We all should agree that scouts and heavies should be semi-rare. After all there are only 5 points in skirmish max currently. And scouts should take skill to use,unlike they do currently. Mediums should be the most common (including assault and logis). But how does CCP herd this group of cats to assaults for attacking (offensive bonuses) and logis for supporting (defensive bonuses). Taking slots/nerfing one to make the other more appealing isn't a valid answer in this thread. As proven by scouts,nothing was nerfed below them,they were buffed up to other suits standards. This is a buffs only response thread,suggest buffs to your particular choice of medium frame. Nerfs are not accepted in any form. Remember CCP is still looking at mediums so your suggestion might be make or break for your particular choice. And "anything faster than the logi" is a bad suggestion. We need things to make each suit unique not necessarily dominant,it must have a counter to prevent it from being OP. I'll start: -Damage resistance while repping,reviving for logis -or- -Reps while repping,and damage resistance while reviving for logis INB4 assaults wanting the best of everything and wanting logis to be helpless civilians in an active battlefield. All of the assaults need better skill bonuses except for the amarr, which should receive an additional low slot. All of the logis need the rep tool bonus, not just the Minmatar. (I run a rep tool on my scout hue hue) Minmatar logi should then in turn receive a skill bonus to max remote explosives carried per level. I tried Yes,you did. But while giving all logis a bonus to the rep tool seems fine it would leave the other eq nerfed. And max REs would just start slayer logi QQ all over again. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 91	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:09:00 - [12] - Quote Meee One wrote: We all should agree that scouts and heavies should be semi-rare. Mediums should be the most common (including assault and logis). Why? I think they should all be equally played, like TF2. They all should complement each other, to make a team great only if all roles are played within that team. So If only 3 suits are neccessary to get the whole spectrum (sentinel/logi/scout). Why have the other ones at all? I think this question must be answered on a deeper game design level. So by what are the roles defined? My guess is: 1. damage absorbtion (eHP and repping) 2. speed 3. visibility (scan and optical) 4. utility (equipment capacity) 5. offensive potential (DPS and range) If one suit can excel in more than one of these fields, it renders the one useless that excels only in one field (the designers should go into further detail, I only want to make my point by example). So I think all suits are designed / can be fitted so that they are effective in 2 of the 5. But anything that can be fitted to excel at 3 of the 5 simultaneously is your FOTM. Like slayer logis (1+4+5), vehicles (1+2+5), scouts (2+3+5), and anything the future might bring. I know its a horrible simplification, but you catch my drift... Simpler solution: Give assaults something special to illustrate their supposed "versatility". Like 2nd and maybe 3rd grenade slot. 2nd sidearm slot (meh). 2nd light weapon slot AV-only. 2nd equipment slot (max. dont wanna outequip logis). Many possibilities. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 717	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:12:00 - [13] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: Logi's and assault suits should have the same slots except for equipment within their own race. For example gallente logi and gallente assault both have the same high and low slots. The only difference being equipment. By doing this "slayer logi's" will no longer be a thing because assaults will simply be able to kill better. I do think having a damage reduction while healing or repping would be nice I can not say everyone would agree with it because I am a logi and therefore biased. I had also seen a post earlier where someone suggested adding other logi type roles (healer,Support/resupply) similar to the scouts secondaries like pilot suits and stuff. I very much think that is a huge step in the right direction. I've seen them and they are terrible suggestions. It would tear the logistics class in two. -True logis with less defense but more speed (Min logi) -FOTM Slayerlogis of 1.7 with 2 equipment slots and increased durability (Better assaults) We don't need two assaults we need more definitive objectives for each. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2375	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:29:00 - [14] - Quote Meee One wrote: Summ Dude wrote: For the record, saying nerfs are never ok is kinda silly. But anyway, here's my suggestion for the medium suits. Note that it does in fact involve taking one module slot away from Logis, but increasing their base HP. I said NO nerfs. Your suggestion nerfs logis and buffs assaults which is counter productive. And blowing me off by calling what i say "silly" proves you're an immature twit that refuses any answers but your own. Case in point,how often you repost that shatty thread as if it's a good idea. It is "silly" though, if you never nerf anything you get power creep, that's why hardeners were nerfed instead of buffing AV. I does n't matter what you do, people like Nyan San always take the easiest route, that's why you saw 6 madrugars + gallogi's . That's why its cloaked cal scouts this patch. Why no matter how you buff/nerf suits or weapons, you won't get people like Nyan San using diverse fits. They find the most effective combimation and spam it. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 717	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:31:00 - [15] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Meee One wrote: We all should agree that scouts and heavies should be semi-rare. Mediums should be the most common (including assault and logis). Why? I think they should all be equally played, like TF2. They all should complement each other, to make a team great only if all roles are played within that team. So If only 3 suits are neccessary to get the whole spectrum (sentinel/logi/scout). Why have the other ones at all? I think this question must be answered on a deeper game design level. So by what are the roles defined? My guess is: 1. damage absorbtion (eHP and repping) 2. speed 3. visibility (scan and optical) 4. utility (equipment capacity) 5. offensive potential (DPS and range) If one suit can excel in more than one of these fields, it renders the one useless that excels only in one field (the designers should go into further detail, I only want to make my point by example). So I think all suits are designed / can be fitted so that they are effective in 2 of the 5. But anything that can be fitted to excel at 3 of the 5 simultaneously is your FOTM. Like slayer logis (1+4+5), vehicles (1+2+5), scouts (2+3+5), and anything the future might bring. I know its a horrible simplification, but you catch my drift... Simpler solution: Give assaults something special to illustrate their supposed "versatility". Like 2nd and maybe 3rd grenade slot. 2nd sidearm slot (meh). 2nd light weapon slot AV-only. 2nd equipment slot (max. dont wanna outequip logis). Many possibilities. All but the 2nd sidearm would step in another roles place. More grenade slots - Return of spam 2nd light weapon - Commandos job 2nd equipment slot - Cal logi job 2nd sidearm - unique without being horribly OP. Assaulting is about applying continual pressure until defenses collapse,more weapons carried means less downtime. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 116	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:34:00 - [16] - Quote the sp needed to be a heavy or scout should be raised to a much higher lv so to make it feel more special or rare . ive been a true heavy for 10months . i can always tell whn someone just skilled in to them even higher lv corp ppl . sp of suits need to be a reflection of what you see ....... assault easyest and fastest to use 3 mill sp ...... logie 4 mill sp ....scout 5 mill sp ..... and heavy at 6 mill sp . all to get full proto suited out . some will say its too much but in over all this is how you keep it rare . i will always be a heavy no matter what lol . 30 mill sp ... 74000 kills in 10 months and 4 days time
abarkrishna WarRavens 362	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:38:00 - [17] - Quote Meee One wrote: abarkrishna wrote: Logi's and assault suits should have the same slots except for equipment within their own race. For example gallente logi and gallente assault both have the same high and low slots. The only difference being equipment. By doing this "slayer logi's" will no longer be a thing because assaults will simply be able to kill better. I do think having a damage reduction while healing or repping would be nice I can not say everyone would agree with it because I am a logi and therefore biased. I had also seen a post earlier where someone suggested adding other logi type roles (healer,Support/resupply) similar to the scouts secondaries like pilot suits and stuff. I very much think that is a huge step in the right direction. I've seen them and they are terrible suggestions. It would tear the logistics class in two. -True logis with less defense but more speed (Min logi) -FOTM Slayerlogis of 1.7 with 2 equipment slots and increased durability (Better assaults) We don't need two assaults we need more definitive objectives for each. Other then that +1 That's where reworking of assault suit's role bonus' come into play. As it is the only benefit to being assault is a slight speed advantage and a sidearm. They are slightly better at killing than logi's. There needs to be a better incentive to playing assault. For example boosts to ammo capacity. Perhaps an extra slot for AV weapons for swarms/PLC( Or something that actually works) This also opens up possibilities for various assault suit secondary types. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 717	Posted - 2014.04.04 11:23:00 - [18] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: Meee One wrote: abarkrishna wrote: Logi's and assault suits should have the same slots except for equipment within their own race. For example gallente logi and gallente assault both have the same high and low slots. The only difference being equipment. By doing this "slayer logi's" will no longer be a thing because assaults will simply be able to kill better. I do think having a damage reduction while healing or repping would be nice I can not say everyone would agree with it because I am a logi and therefore biased. I had also seen a post earlier where someone suggested adding other logi type roles (healer,Support/resupply) similar to the scouts secondaries like pilot suits and stuff. I very much think that is a huge step in the right direction. I've seen them and they are terrible suggestions. It would tear the logistics class in two. -True logis with less defense but more speed (Min logi) -FOTM Slayerlogis of 1.7 with 2 equipment slots and increased durability (Better assaults) We don't need two assaults we need more definitive objectives for each. Other then that +1 That's where reworking of assault suit's role bonus' come into play. As it is the only benefit to being assault is a slight speed advantage and a sidearm. They are slightly better at killing than logi's. There needs to be a better incentive to playing assault. For example boosts to ammo capacity. Perhaps an extra slot for AV weapons for swarms/PLC( Or something that actually works) This also opens up possibilities for various assault suit secondary types. But if you look at the precedent CCP has already set regarding "assault" variation weapons....they are only marginally better at killing. The problem is everyone sees logi slots and assumes it's the best. When by all base standards (stats) assaults are. And that sidearm is worth 2 slots,so assaults are actually beating logis by 1. Once again,if you want to have 2 light weapons there's commando. The problem is no one wants to be "just" assault they want all benefits at once and will jump to the suit that meets their needs. They don't even realise the assault would be more appealing if they just looked at it. High base stats with 0 slots used,and the flexibility to tank how you want to... While it takes 5 slots on a logi to compete for the title of killer. It all boils down to slot envy. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 639	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:30:00 - [19] - Quote What says there should be more medium suits. Mike Ruan Said i was Dust Famous! Did he just talk in #'s Volunteer member of the Arkombine, but i don't want out.
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 303	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:46:00 - [20] - Quote I think assaults need something specific to them. Scouts have cloaks, heavies have HMGs, logis have equipment, assaults have.... Medium frames need to be particularly good at one thing, instead of being the "jack of all trades". Give them the ability to deploy shields, installations, supply drops, give them a WP bonus for kills, something.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1474	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:59:00 - [21] - Quote Assault and logistics dropsuits are being underutilized, I feel, because even after the TTK changes they are still too squishy. Some role bonuses for assault and logistics dropsuits would be refreshing to see. For example... Caldari assault / logi: +2% bonus to shield extender efficacy Gallente assault / logi: +3% bonus to armor repairer efficacy Minmatar assault / logi : +3% bonus to shield recharger efficacy Amarr assault / logi: +2% bonus to armor plate efficacy These bonuses do not increase with the level of their respective skill; they are flat bonuses that further drive home the preferred tanking-style of each race. Notice that they, in effect, grant one additional rank in the Dropsuit Upgrades skill tied to each module. Basically, assault and logistics dropsuits would be able to achieve Armor Repair Systems VI, for example. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Beld Errmon 1530	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:59:00 - [22] - Quote Its kinda funny watching scrubs talk about nyain as if they know anything at all about them, what you call fotm I call looking at the stats, weighing up the pros and cons and enjoying the fruits of forethought, if there were any redeeming factors to assault suits i'd run one of those, but scouts give me cloak, speed, tank, nearly unscanable and the ability to jump over a knee high fence. Nyains fits and suit choice are more diverse than you think, problem is you just get killed by them so fast you don't get a chance to notice. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2961	Posted - 2014.04.04 14:00:00 - [23] - Quote I ain't falling for that again. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 370	Posted - 2014.04.04 15:16:00 - [24] - Quote Give the Assault suits an extra equipment slot and the fittings to use it...my Assault Scout has a nanite injector AND nanohives, while my Assault can only fit the nanite injector AND must rely on others for ammo. (A bonus to the nanite injection would be welcome...+4% armor and shields per level on pickup.) There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Meee One Hello Kitty Commandos 726	Posted - 2014.04.04 18:23:00 - [25] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Give the Assault suits an extra equipment slot and the fittings to use it...my Assault Scout has a nanite injector AND nanohives, while my Assault can only fit the nanite injector AND must rely on others for ammo. (A bonus to the nanite injection would be welcome...+4% armor and shields per level on pickup.) The problem with an extra eq slot is Cal logis only get two at standard and have to sacrifice a sidearm while scouts do not. Plus there is already a 100% injector in the caldari loyally store. If you're using a rep tool or injector on an assault you're doing it wrong,assault isn't about support it's about attacking. My suggestion: -Remove the WP farming injector -Replace it with hives The only class that should be focused on team mates survival is logistics,hence the bonuses. John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 343	Posted - 2014.04.04 19:33:00 - [26] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: I think assaults need something specific to them. Scouts have cloaks, heavies have HMGs, logis have equipment, assaults have.... Medium frames need to be particularly good at one thing, instead of being the "jack of all trades". Give them the ability to deploy shields, installations, supply drops, give them a WP bonus for kills, something. I actually think being the most flexible suit would serve well as something Assaults can specifically excel at. I just don't think Assault suits actually have the most flexibility right now, Logis and Scouts can kinda do it better. Which is why I suggest giving Assault suits the most module slots of any suit, as well as the CPU/PG to actually use them, so they would have unmatched fitting flexibility. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 302	Posted - 2014.04.04 19:37:00 - [27] - Quote Meee One wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Bamm Havoc mentioned something in his video that he quoted from Pyrex. It's the attitude to win at any cost. If a tactic is available for anybody to use to gain advantage, it will be used. We cannot change that. The only way we really can is by beating them at their own game, then maybe they will herd to something else. That isn't true in the slightest,most FOTM users migrated not because they were "beaten" but because it was easier to win with the new buffs scouts got. So 2+2 = give mediums bonuses that will bring victory faster and they will move to them. The key is to make victory attainable when the team has a mix. If you have ttoo many of one type, victory gets harder or impossible. Make winning require different traits. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace


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