DUST Search - Y does everyone say logis shouldn't get bonus for using cloak?

Maken Tosch wrote:

arimal lavaren wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Because then logi suits will once again marginalize the scouts in the one thing they are often associated with. This time Stealth.

Besides, the logi suit's equipment fitting bonus is bugged and is somehow being applied to the cloak so don't expect that fitting bonus to continue to work for the cloak on a logi once CCP deploys the hotfix.

Logis once marginalized us in speed, stamina, and even profile dampening at one point in the past.

That's valid Maken(though I have not actually seen evidence that it is indeed a bug), but the scout will still make better use of it being faster and with a lower scan resolution than anyone else that can manage to fit the thing. Even with the bonuses as they are I still have to give up a pretty substantial slice of my resources(either tank or other equipment) where the proto scouts do not seem to be having to make that trade off. Seems fine from my point of view as a dedicated support logi who only picks up the cloak for giggles when no one else is online.

I can't seem to find the link anymore but I do vividly remember that either CCP logibro or CCP Remnant confirmed that the logi bonus was not to apply to the cloak. It was posted in the forums just a couple of weeks before 1.8 hit.

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IRON PATRIOT 1 Pradox One 139	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:12:00 - [1] - Quote I mean it is a piece of equipment so they should benefit from the 25% bonus. And they can't use it as effectively as a scout. If I get caught in the open trying to sneak pass I'm done. If I was a scout I have a high chance of escaping due to my speed, agility, stamina as well as small hit box. Also we sacrifice hp as well as not having a sidearm to effectively kill. So why should not be able to use them?
jerrmy12 kahoalii 865	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:13:00 - [2] - Quote IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: I mean it is a piece of equipment so they should benefit from the 25% bonus. And they can't use it as effectively as a scout. If I get caught in the open trying to sneak pass I'm done. If I was a scout I have a high chance of escaping due to my speed, agility, stamina as well as small hit box. Also we sacrifice hp as well as not having a sidearm to effectively kill. So why should not be able to use them? Thats like giving a dreadnought a cloak. Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 404	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:14:00 - [3] - Quote I don't mind logis using cloaks. Sincerely, - Caldari Scout FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
Roofer Madness Algintal Core Gallente Federation 876	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:26:00 - [4] - Quote For what purpose would a logi need a cloak? To pop up behind someone with a nanohive? Whispers in their ear, "Here you go, have some sweet nanites." Then gone, like a ghost..... edit: I don't care either way just think it's funny. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 117	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:49:00 - [5] - Quote All the slayerlogis' abuse that inspired all the QQ has come home to roost. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2957	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:58:00 - [6] - Quote They should not get the bonus. It defeats the purpose of being a scout. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
IRON PATRIOT 1 Pradox One 140	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:16:00 - [7] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: They should not get the bonus. It defeats the purpose of being a scout. What? So cloak is what makes a scout a scout?
Patrick57 6642	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:29:00 - [8] - Quote IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: They should not get the bonus. It defeats the purpose of being a scout. What? So cloak is what makes a scout a scout? This^. My personal best ADS match
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 325	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:33:00 - [9] - Quote That's silly do you really want the scout to be defined by the cloak, hard class roles are awful and dusts idea of flexibility is why I at least stick around. I've seen cloaked commandos already and it's awesome.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7811	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:34:00 - [10] - Quote Because then logi suits will once again marginalize the scouts in the one thing they are often associated with. This time Stealth. Besides, the logi suit's equipment fitting bonus is bugged and is somehow being applied to the cloak so don't expect that fitting bonus to continue to work for the cloak on a logi once CCP deploys the hotfix. Logis once marginalized us in speed, stamina, and even profile dampening at one point in the past. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion League of Infamy 165	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:35:00 - [11] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: They should not get the bonus. It defeats the purpose of being a scout. Hahaha good one... wait your serious, aren't you? Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 953	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:37:00 - [12] - Quote As a long term scout, I'm more than happy with Logi's using cloaks. Bring it. Knowledge is power
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2659	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:43:00 - [13] - Quote Let them think they're save.... it will be all the sweeter when I take that from them with a shot to the skull. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 299	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:44:00 - [14] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: I mean it is a piece of equipment so they should benefit from the 25% bonus. And they can't use it as effectively as a scout. If I get caught in the open trying to sneak pass I'm done. If I was a scout I have a high chance of escaping due to my speed, agility, stamina as well as small hit box. Also we sacrifice hp as well as not having a sidearm to effectively kill. So why should not be able to use them? Thats like giving a dreadnought a cloak. Holy ****, CovOps Dread? Make it so number one GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 326	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:49:00 - [15] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Because then logi suits will once again marginalize the scouts in the one thing they are often associated with. This time Stealth. Besides, the logi suit's equipment fitting bonus is bugged and is somehow being applied to the cloak so don't expect that fitting bonus to continue to work for the cloak on a logi once CCP deploys the hotfix. Logis once marginalized us in speed, stamina, and even profile dampening at one point in the past. That's valid Maken(though I have not actually seen evidence that it is indeed a bug), but the scout will still make better use of it being faster and with a lower scan resolution than anyone else that can manage to fit the thing. Even with the bonuses as they are I still have to give up a pretty substantial slice of my resources(either tank or other equipment) where the proto scouts do not seem to be having to make that trade off. Seems fine from my point of view as a dedicated support logi who only picks up the cloak for giggles when no one else is online.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 117	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:50:00 - [16] - Quote Brokerib wrote: As a long term scout, I'm more than happy with Logi's using cloaks. Bring it. Thank You, I appreciate that. +1 Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7811	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:06:00 - [17] - Quote arimal lavaren wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Because then logi suits will once again marginalize the scouts in the one thing they are often associated with. This time Stealth. Besides, the logi suit's equipment fitting bonus is bugged and is somehow being applied to the cloak so don't expect that fitting bonus to continue to work for the cloak on a logi once CCP deploys the hotfix. Logis once marginalized us in speed, stamina, and even profile dampening at one point in the past. That's valid Maken(though I have not actually seen evidence that it is indeed a bug), but the scout will still make better use of it being faster and with a lower scan resolution than anyone else that can manage to fit the thing. Even with the bonuses as they are I still have to give up a pretty substantial slice of my resources(either tank or other equipment) where the proto scouts do not seem to be having to make that trade off. Seems fine from my point of view as a dedicated support logi who only picks up the cloak for giggles when no one else is online. I can't seem to find the link anymore but I do vividly remember that either CCP logibro or CCP Remnant confirmed that the logi bonus was not to apply to the cloak. It was posted in the forums just a couple of weeks before 1.8 hit. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 94	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:13:00 - [18] - Quote Honestly, I wouldn't favor logis just this once. After all, they should have their bigger/scarier bros (heavies/scouts) cover them as they do their thing. I can already fit a cloak on my Amarr Basic Logi and an uplink. I have to give up most of my slots though due to CPU/PG. They already can, but they'll need to sacrifice much, so it is not worthwhile. I feel it's pretty balanced thus far.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 608	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:16:00 - [19] - Quote running across enemy lines to revive a few players would be nice or to drop uplinks It'll help define roles, i promise:)
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4612	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:38:00 - [20] - Quote Same reason there's no RE bonus: logis are support, not direct combat people. I'm from the weird side of the internet

Yeeeuuuupppp 230	Posted - 2014.04.04 00:40:00 - [21] - Quote Because I can see them on my passive scan still... so what's the point CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
IRON PATRIOT 1 Pradox One 140	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:44:00 - [22] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Same reason there's no RE bonus: logis are support, not direct combat people. To what logis or scouts edit: re's are effected by the 25% equipment bonus.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 264	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:53:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Same reason there's no RE bonus: logis are support, not direct combat people. Yeah I don't buy that. If your Boots on Ground your a shoot'n man. Granted the tankiness of plates makes little sense, but thats an issue with the plates. Its because of the value of support that a Logistics specialist needs to be able to defend himself and his comrades adequately. Support role =/= noncombat The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4790	Posted - 2014.04.04 02:55:00 - [24] - Quote IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: I mean it is a piece of equipment so they should benefit from the 25% bonus. And they can't use it as effectively as a scout. If I get caught in the open trying to sneak pass I'm done. If I was a scout I have a high chance of escaping due to my speed, agility, stamina as well as small hit box. Also we sacrifice hp as well as not having a sidearm to effectively kill. So why should not be able to use them? Off with you. You can use them,just wont get an equipment bonus for it. Why? Well , because cloaks are Scout intended,not logi intended.. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
emm kay Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives 70	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:09:00 - [25] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Thats like giving a dreadnought a cloak. there is no reason you can't cloak a dread. there IS a reason you can't give logi bonus cloak, and that's because logis would destroy the world. -- You called, sir?
iliel Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 21	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:16:00 - [26] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: running across enemy lines to revive a few players would be nice or to drop uplinks Logi's ought to be able to cloak as long as it is incompatible with the militia needle!
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 501	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:24:00 - [27] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote: I mean it is a piece of equipment so they should benefit from the 25% bonus. And they can't use it as effectively as a scout. If I get caught in the open trying to sneak pass I'm done. If I was a scout I have a high chance of escaping due to my speed, agility, stamina as well as small hit box. Also we sacrifice hp as well as not having a sidearm to effectively kill. So why should not be able to use them? Thats like giving a dreadnought a cloak. erm you do know a dread can use a cloak right? ccp you broke the forge. skills are not being applied till 30 secs after spawn fixes before nerfs thank you.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1373	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:28:00 - [28] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: arimal lavaren wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Because then logi suits will once again marginalize the scouts in the one thing they are often associated with. This time Stealth. Besides, the logi suit's equipment fitting bonus is bugged and is somehow being applied to the cloak so don't expect that fitting bonus to continue to work for the cloak on a logi once CCP deploys the hotfix. Logis once marginalized us in speed, stamina, and even profile dampening at one point in the past. That's valid Maken(though I have not actually seen evidence that it is indeed a bug), but the scout will still make better use of it being faster and with a lower scan resolution than anyone else that can manage to fit the thing. Even with the bonuses as they are I still have to give up a pretty substantial slice of my resources(either tank or other equipment) where the proto scouts do not seem to be having to make that trade off. Seems fine from my point of view as a dedicated support logi who only picks up the cloak for giggles when no one else is online. I can't seem to find the link anymore but I do vividly remember that either CCP logibro or CCP Remnant confirmed that the logi bonus was not to apply to the cloak. It was posted in the forums just a couple of weeks before 1.8 hit. Its on the list of known 1.8 bugs that CCP intends to fix. Fun > Realism
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5744	Posted - 2014.04.04 03:57:00 - [29] - Quote Personally I don't care either way, but it simply doesn't make sense lore wise for logistics to have a fitting bonus for cloaks. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)


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