DUST Search - you wanna know how underpowered the cal sent is?

jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

I mean it's true and if you look at it like those who keep calling for them to " shield tank " , then efficacy is needed and that's a no brainer .

Taking away a low slot so they can't " duel tank " did nothing but give them a shorter life sentence , take the medium frames for instance . If CCP would have removed that third slot from them , they understood that would have caused the suits to be imbalanced and NO ONE would have used them , ( And all I ask is for two low slots ) but it's alright for the heavies ??? They should be able to " stand and deliver " , even so if not as effective as most but without a extra low slot and no efficacy that means nothing .

That suit shouldn't be designed to just one role , i.e. rail sniping ... it's a freaking heavy and making it a long distance heavy suits just sounds stupid . A long distance heavy ????? Quit making Caldari's seem like cowards and let us fight and brawl as well . Not some 1500 HP sniper .

Hell I snipe and that just pisses me off to se someone sniping in a fat suit ( unless it's a commando ) it's just cowardly .

They should have an efficacy bonus automatically .

Efficacy + Shields = Caldari .

Explain what you mean by efficacy please.

How on the previous pre 1.8 Caldari assault .

The role bonus gave x amount of shield efficacy ( strengthening of shields threw the functionality working better ) and rounds fought to penetrate your shields since the boost made them stronger .

I use to stand sometimes and take rounds , knowing that my shields were strengthen by that boost . I had no fear and that made me want to fight even more because of the functionality and the confidence that it gave . Now you get hit a few time's and your shield's just drop . Yeah you have a regen rate but if they are weak then your reaping weakness to fight against strength , i.e. being attacked .

Shield's are suppose to be the Caldari's strength but shields are weak and without efficacy they are garbage and to have a ton of garbage doesn't help in a battle unless your fighting " junk lords " but this is Dust and New Eden .

That crap doesn't fly there .

So basically damage reduction?

Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .


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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 498	Posted - 2014.04.03 19:52:00 - [1] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I get more kills and die less in my scout suit with a basic magsec....man ccp when will you buff shield heavies? They won't . The Basic series still don't have their stats corrected . It should have two low slots and I know that people are about to spaz out about shield tanking and their massive amount ( ) of shields and the rest of that bla .. bla but , it's a freaking heavy and heavies should tank and shields are in such a weak state right now and pushing the , " but Caldari's are suppose to shield tank " and all but ... that's not helping them . I miss the way that I felt wearing my pre-1.8 assault suits . That shield efficacy really helped to make me feel confident and secure . I just upgraded to the Sentinel today to I will find out but you really don't notice role bonuses until you go advanced so If your right I will tell you but having only one low slots on their heavies make them weak and even worse with the shield condition . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 499	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:34:00 - [2] - Quote Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: I usually don't engage other heavies if I'm not in a good position to wear them down. In addition, it makes a particularly excellent hit and run platform with a decent rail truck as long as you don't overstep your capacity. Raik truck? And im not talking heavy vs heavy here, even thouh ive kiloed so many heavues with it, the problem is even at level 5, 626 shields or 702 feel weak even though its a sentinel. Stick a small rail turret on an LAV and go to town. You can take out or pin down small groups, plus you get to positions faster than a scout. Works best with Caldari sentinel. Exept I dont like small rails And that lav thing, heavy is so weak I usualy have to hop in riht after I get out but whatever that part is fine Do you even shield bruh? Babby aint maxed his shields? Maybe babby needs to lift some rails get buff. That's no excuse . I max my shields and without efficacy , shields are garbage . You can talk tactic's all day but shields in this game are in a horrible state right now . Point blank ... since Gal's have armor rep , Caldari should automatically get shield efficacy ... hell players are lobbing for Minmatar's to have a higher shield regen and anyone who has played with the pre 1.8 Caldari assault knows what people are talking about as far as Caldari's and the present state . Shield regen is nothing if the regenerated shields are garbage = more of the same garbage . Few hit and there gone , no matter how many HP's shield's are at . Caldari should automatically get shield efficacy as a bonus . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 500	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:49:00 - [3] - Quote I mean it's true and if you look at it like those who keep calling for them to " shield tank " , then efficacy is needed and that's a no brainer . Taking away a low slot so they can't " duel tank " did nothing but give them a shorter life sentence , take the medium frames for instance . If CCP would have removed that third slot from them , they understood that would have caused the suits to be imbalanced and NO ONE would have used them , ( And all I ask is for two low slots ) but it's alright for the heavies ??? They should be able to " stand and deliver " , even so if not as effective as most but without a extra low slot and no efficacy that means nothing . That suit shouldn't be designed to just one role , i.e. rail sniping ... it's a freaking heavy and making it a long distance heavy suits just sounds stupid . A long distance heavy ????? Quit making Caldari's seem like cowards and let us fight and brawl as well . Not some 1500 HP sniper . Hell I snipe and that just pisses me off to se someone sniping in a fat suit ( unless it's a commando ) it's just cowardly . They should have an efficacy bonus automatically . Efficacy + Shields = Caldari . Edit : What the hell is a Sentinel that can't even guard ??? You guard by being close to what you are guarding and since your big and slow , you should be somewhat of an obstacle . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 500	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:58:00 - [4] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I mean it's true and if you look at it like those who keep calling for them to " shield tank " , then efficacy is needed and that's a no brainer . Taking away a low slot so they can't " duel tank " did nothing but give them a shorter life sentence , take the medium frames for instance . If CCP would have removed that third slot from them , they understood that would have caused the suits to be imbalanced and NO ONE would have used them , ( And all I ask is for two low slots ) but it's alright for the heavies ??? They should be able to " stand and deliver " , even so if not as effective as most but without a extra low slot and no efficacy that means nothing . That suit shouldn't be designed to just one role , i.e. rail sniping ... it's a freaking heavy and making it a long distance heavy suits just sounds stupid . A long distance heavy ????? Quit making Caldari's seem like cowards and let us fight and brawl as well . Not some 1500 HP sniper . Hell I snipe and that just pisses me off to se someone sniping in a fat suit ( unless it's a commando ) it's just cowardly . They should have an efficacy bonus automatically . Efficacy + Shields = Caldari . Explain what you mean by efficacy please. How on the previous pre 1.8 Caldari assault . The role bonus gave x amount of shield efficacy ( strengthening of shields threw the functionality working better ) and rounds fought to penetrate your shields since the boost made them stronger . I use to stand sometimes and take rounds , knowing that my shields were strengthen by that boost . I had no fear and that made me want to fight even more because of the functionality and the confidence that it gave . Now you get it a few time's and your shield's just drop . Yeah you have a regen rate but if they are weak them your reaping weakness to fight against strength , i.e. being attacked . Shield's are suppose to be the Caldari's strength but shields are weak and without efficacy they are garbage and to have a ton of garbage doesn't help in a battle unless your fighting " junk lords " but this is Dust and New Eden . That crap doesn't fly there . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 501	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:15:00 - [5] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I mean it's true and if you look at it like those who keep calling for them to " shield tank " , then efficacy is needed and that's a no brainer . Taking away a low slot so they can't " duel tank " did nothing but give them a shorter life sentence , take the medium frames for instance . If CCP would have removed that third slot from them , they understood that would have caused the suits to be imbalanced and NO ONE would have used them , ( And all I ask is for two low slots ) but it's alright for the heavies ??? They should be able to " stand and deliver " , even so if not as effective as most but without a extra low slot and no efficacy that means nothing . That suit shouldn't be designed to just one role , i.e. rail sniping ... it's a freaking heavy and making it a long distance heavy suits just sounds stupid . A long distance heavy ????? Quit making Caldari's seem like cowards and let us fight and brawl as well . Not some 1500 HP sniper . Hell I snipe and that just pisses me off to se someone sniping in a fat suit ( unless it's a commando ) it's just cowardly . They should have an efficacy bonus automatically . Efficacy + Shields = Caldari . Explain what you mean by efficacy please. How on the previous pre 1.8 Caldari assault . The role bonus gave x amount of shield efficacy ( strengthening of shields threw the functionality working better ) and rounds fought to penetrate your shields since the boost made them stronger . I use to stand sometimes and take rounds , knowing that my shields were strengthen by that boost . I had no fear and that made me want to fight even more because of the functionality and the confidence that it gave . Now you get hit a few time's and your shield's just drop . Yeah you have a regen rate but if they are weak then your reaping weakness to fight against strength , i.e. being attacked . Shield's are suppose to be the Caldari's strength but shields are weak and without efficacy they are garbage and to have a ton of garbage doesn't help in a battle unless your fighting " junk lords " but this is Dust and New Eden . That crap doesn't fly there . So basically damage reduction? I don't know if that's how you would want to term it . Efficacy made the shields function better , which made them more effective ... stronger so if that's how you would want to put it , then yes ... but Sentinel's get damage reduction and if your level five and still it doesn't have an effect then it's something wrong with that picture . Efficacy help the shield's function better which makes them stronger . It didn't matter .. like now with what kind of damage that one took .. it just help's the shield's to become stronger because they function better . Over all shield strength . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 502	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:25:00 - [6] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: You said this before. I disagreed with you then and still do. The CalSen plus a repper is a monster. Even if you don't have a repper, throw a armor rep on that bad boy and you can do some serious work on the battlefield. My CEO, Trenix, gets down and dirty with the CalSen Why do you people keep calling it a reaper monster ??? Where are the logi's to reap you . I rarely see medic's anymore . Players need to think about who they are talking to because sometimes the people that you are addressing do not run in a squad or strong corp but people talk like they should be able to relate but there are different levels . If it's dead before it can get reaped then what good is that doing ??? It doesn't have any sustainability on the battle field unless you do have a medic around and still that cut's into it's functionality . Heavies should be able to function on their own and be somewhat independent of logi's because they are not always around and are often the first targets on the battlefield . You can argue that one all you like . This one can't and no one can say otherwise . Not with just one low slot and no efficacy . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 502	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:38:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: NEO Arbiter wrote: Guys, guys, GUYS! Enough with the bickering! If you made the decision to run a Cal sentinel with an HMG, at least do yourself a favor and use the BURST variant. They lend themselves perfectly to hit and run + cover to cover tactics.... Which is the whole IDEA behind the Cal sentinels stats! It is a match made in heaven Tell that to the guy who made assumptions about my post without reading and comprehending it properly. If I misunderstood you then I apologize for that but you were not the first person who made such a comment . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 504	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:49:00 - [8] - Quote After using it for the first day , I'm starting to like it and I'm only level two . Those who speak of cover are right . It should be a little faster though seeing as how you can not armor tank . I haven't gotten into any toe to toe matches as how I looked at the advice given in this post and used that . Thanks to all who had given pointers on using this role . I still believe that Caldari's should automatically get shield efficacy as their bonus for obvious ( since they are forced to shield tank ) reasons . If that was the case then all would be better but I'm still working on it . Like I said , you really can't tell about a role bonus until you get to advanced in a role so theirs still more work for me to do . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .