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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4753	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:19:00 - [1] - Quote Im an SMG user. After 1.8 Dropsuit command respec i stopped using my beloved SCRAM rifle and started using SMGs since im dedicating myself ffully into E-war / speed tanked scouts. Now, im NOT planning on stopping the usage of my beloved/despised Matari SMg, but mostly looking for a Sidearm to complement it. Now i've been using Breach ARs , SG, and even Mass drivers as ''sidearms'' but the problem is that when switchign weapons out of cloak the ''L'' Slot comes out first , so having to do 2 Weeapon swaps or HOLD R2 in order to get to my Ishi SMG is a psin. I tested all the new sidearms and im....sadly , unpleasantly surprised. But i only tested the STD versions so some feedback could work for me... So out of curiosity, which new sidearm do you think is best? CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
Adell Shinzumakami Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:21:00 - [2] - Quote Bolt is good for draining someones shield and armor? I GÖÑ RoadKill Closed BETA vet - CLOAKING
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6355	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:21:00 - [3] - Quote Bolt Pistol. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1167	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:22:00 - [4] - Quote I like the magsec, it's basically an assaul rifle(range, damage, and fire rate are almost identical) though you need to be careful about the charge time until you get used to it. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1598	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:23:00 - [5] - Quote Magsec, blatantly. Ion pistol would be great if the charge shot allowed a few shots afterwards, like the SCR, but without that it's just bad. The charge shot is useless, and without that, the ion pistol is just a worse SCP. The bolt pistol only does 40 more DPS than the Tac SR, and much less if both are HSing. The bolt pistol also has bugged maximum range- it can't hit beyond about 60m, which really makes it the LR of sidearms, since it's awful in CQC. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 264	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:40:00 - [6] - Quote ion pistol. testing has shown the charged shot is at least 500 damge from the t-12 the ion psitol is an absolute nightmare for caldarians and minmattars as the charged shot will all most ohk andy of thier suits. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 948	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:41:00 - [7] - Quote Still the scrambler pistol. Scrambler for Shield, SMG for armor. Particularly useful if you can get the first shot out of cloak, you can one hit mediums into armor with a headshot, and one shot scouts in general. Plus the scrambler pistol has range over the SMG, so you can start an engagement further out to take down their shields, then mop up in close. Knowledge is power
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 698	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:42:00 - [8] - Quote Ion pistol, no contest. Use it as much as you can before CCP nerfs that absolute beast of a squirtgun. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1167	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:42:00 - [9] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: ion pistol. testing has shown the charged shot is at least 500 damge from the t-12 the ion psitol is an absolute nightmare for caldarians and minmattars as the charged shot will all most ohk andy of thier suits. IF you land that shot. So far, I have never been killed with an ion pistol. not for lack of people trying either. hell, I've never even been hit by a charged shot from one. and the actual data sheet says 350 ish. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4929	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:43:00 - [10] - Quote Tactical SMG. The Ion Pistol is only good against scouts, the MagSec is good, buy the SMG is better, and the Bolt Pistol is good but lacks a real competitive reason to run (no real niche gameplay wise). The Tactical SMG variant offers the best overall performance. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ

biGRAPE Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:44:00 - [11] - Quote The bolt pistol is nice if the user is good at tracking targets.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4929	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:45:00 - [12] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: ion pistol. testing has shown the charged shot is at least 500 damge from the t-12 the ion psitol is an absolute nightmare for caldarians and minmattars as the charged shot will all most ohk andy of thier suits. IF you land that shot. So far, I have never been killed with an ion pistol. not for lack of people trying either. hell, I've never even been hit by a charged shot from one. and the actual data sheet says 350 ish. I've never been killed by the Ion Pistol and I've never seen the Bolt Pistol in the killfeed. I've gotten killed twice by the MagSec, but most people don't really know how to use it. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Satori Particle Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:50:00 - [13] - Quote Ion.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4755	Posted - 2014.04.03 02:56:00 - [14] - Quote So much different opinion im starting to feel like NONE of these weapons are superior just apply to different play styles. Ty for the info, keep em coming. CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
Nyusto Clegli S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 66	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:01:00 - [15] - Quote OR you could just go dual SMG or the best sidearm the nova knife! For riches, for honor, for the brotherhood!
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2552	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:05:00 - [16] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Tactical SMG. The Ion Pistol is only good against scouts, the MagSec is good, buy the SMG is better, and the Bolt Pistol is good but lacks a real competitive reason to run (no real niche gameplay wise). The Tactical SMG variant offers the best overall performance. Do you mean Assault? Not sure which one you're referring to. OP, I'm a big fan of the Bolt Pistol. It is a bad gun right now, though. You'd probably be better off with dual SMGs. ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property 1991	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:07:00 - [17] - Quote Learn to use the Magsec and it's awesome.. The charge up time can be a pain though Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Vinny Gar grief thief 8	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:08:00 - [18] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Still the scrambler pistol. Scrambler for Shield, SMG for armor. Particularly useful if you can get the first shot out of cloak, you can one hit mediums into armor with a headshot, and one shot scouts in general. Plus the scrambler pistol has range over the SMG, so you can start an engagement further out to take down their shields, then mop up in close. This guy's got it right. cosbyness is next to godliness
Dexter307 the unholy legion of darkstar 1295	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:13:00 - [19] - Quote Im a fan of the bolt pistol However it is a bit UP DPS is only 210
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2142	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:21:00 - [20] - Quote The ScP's damage profile complements the armor eating SMG well, as well as being really fun to use. But my favorite new sidearm in the magsec. It's got great range and damage, and charge time is negligible. Anyone with half a brain can adjust to the charge time, and it's range would help you out at distances that the min SMG can't reach. The bolt pistol could be good for nailing the last bit or armor on someone who's backpedaled out of SMG range, but It's always felt a tad underwhelming. Gal-mando. Because the best sidearm is a shotgun.

PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1066	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:33:00 - [21] - Quote The bolt compliments the shotty and knives real well. Looking forward to getting my Kaalutaka Bolt. Ion is nice with the SCP or knives. SMGs are always cool. Magsec works well with the AR. The bolt pistol is a hybrid weapon, I like using it with my EX0 cause explosive weapons are weak against shielding. SMG works well with any weapon or just itself. And plus, the bolt is a mini-shotgun so it hits really hard. I dual wield them to look badass but my aim could use some work. lol Proficiency X in Rage, No-Scopes, and Mass Driver Direct Hits Nova Knife Operation lvl 5 \m/ Amateur Proficiency X
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4819	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:42:00 - [22] - Quote Bring your SMG into CQC with a Magsec user, and if you're competent, you WILL win. Bring your SMG to a fight at 30m or more with a Magsec user, and if they're competent, you WILL lose. Bring both. SMG as primary, Magsec as secondary. They handle similarly enough that you should be able to adjust quickly from one to the other, but differently enough that you won't get confused about which is which. Keep distance and aim down sights with Magsec, or rush in and hipfire spray with the SMG. The reason I say to have the SMG as your primary is because the delay on firing on top of the time it takes to switch out of cloak will cost too much in CQC situations, but at range, you have that little extra buffer of time to swap weapons and pull the Magsec.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4759	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:45:00 - [23] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Bring your SMG into CQC with a Magsec user, and if you're competent, you WILL win. Bring your SMG to a fight at 30m or more with a Magsec user, and if they're competent, you WILL lose. Bring both. SMG as primary, Magsec as secondary. They handle similarly enough that you should be able to adjust quickly from one to the other, but differently enough that you won't get confused about which is which. Keep distance and aim down sights with Magsec, or rush in and hipfire spray with the SMG. The reason I say to have the SMG as your primary is because the delay on firing on top of the time it takes to switch out of cloak will cost too much in CQC situations, but at range, you have that little extra buffer of time to swap weapons and pull the Magsec. DOnt matter the map,. I'll always be 10mts away from my enemy. So the MAg Sec seems to have no purpose to my fits. Ty for the detailed explanation thou. CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 917	Posted - 2014.04.03 03:55:00 - [24] - Quote Bolt pistol for those heart stoping skill shots, I have never been killed by an ion pistol and have to work extra hard to kill with it, especialy with its teribad hit detection. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 344	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:03:00 - [25] - Quote The new ones are fun, but have issues, especially the pistols. Ion is my favorite, but needs 1-2 more in the clip (due to the ridiculous dispersion) or more a bit more damage and a better reason to use the charge function. Bolt just seems broken half the time, but hits like a freight train when it decides to work.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4819	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:06:00 - [26] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: So much different opinion im starting to feel like NONE of these weapons are superior just apply to different play styles. Ty for the info, keep em coming. I think this sums it up nicely.
Oswald Rehnquist 1322	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:32:00 - [27] - Quote I think it goes something like this NK SMG ScP MSMG BP / IP FP My favorite is the bolt. Both the bolt and magsec are like the LR of the sidearm world. The problem with the bolt is the absolute range is the same value as the effective range, so you have like a 40-60 range which to utilize the bolts best traits (also useless operation skill), its also only an executioner/harrier pistol. The MSMG suffers from massive kick (operation skill not working?) which hinders its long range capabilities, and the delay hurts CQC, and while the kick can be controlled, when going against anything that has an optimal that covers the 35-45 range their weapon will be more precise and score more headshots than the MSMG, which is critical as alpha is very important in the sidearm world. The Ion has the potential to be an absolute beast should they fix hit detection. With the number of scouts on the field I was one shotting quite a few peeps, so in that manner its a very ammo efficient scout killer. Below 28 dB
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2066	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:02:00 - [28] - Quote Lulz Ion Pistol... SMG is the best SMG, due to damage profile and hip-fire. ScP is the best sidearm. Always have, always will be. Dont waste your SP on useless junk guys! Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 630	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:26:00 - [29] - Quote magsec is best for me got to love those iron sights, Ion pistol would be considered IF it worked right A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. GalHeav E-vo
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4019	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:33:00 - [30] - Quote Ion pistol needs some tweaks to be good. But I gotta say, the Proto Ion Pistol is a BLAST to use. Charges quick, deals great damage, and it fantastic at taking down shield tankers. You can just never trust the charge to OHK targets at full health. Spam a few shots first to soften the target, and then blast them away with a charge. In honesty though? NK are the best sidearm ever. Followed closely by the SMG and ScP. Most fun weapons? Flaylock and Ion Pistol, followed closely by the Bolt. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V

BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1000	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:21:00 - [31] - Quote All of the new weapons kind of suck IMO. That said the best out of the lot is the Bolt Pistol for some sexy long range sniping with a pistol lol... For the sidearm event I been using the M209 Assault SMG paired with a Standard Bolt Pistol for long range sniping or quick finishing if they get out of range.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2066	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:23:00 - [32] - Quote ACR + ScP ScP for sniping and when you get the jump on someone. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Kalante Schiffer 527	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:33:00 - [33] - Quote if you are a pc player the smg still is the best and most reliable side arm to use. PSN:MWsRAGE_5
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1078	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:45:00 - [34] - Quote I'm liking the Ion but needs serious SP love to get anywhere near good. In terms of competitiveness your better off with either of the SMG's Bolt is really good for short-mid range sniping but you have to be good at tracking a target to hit anything moving. All sound really good to fire All sound a little off while relaoding. The Ion particularly sounds a little cheap, hollow and 'plastic' on reload but I guess fits its more kinda organic design. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1137	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:48:00 - [35] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Still the scrambler pistol. Scrambler for Shield, SMG for armor. Particularly useful if you can get the first shot out of cloak, you can one hit mediums into armor with a headshot, and one shot scouts in general. Plus the scrambler pistol has range over the SMG, so you can start an engagement further out to take down their shields, then mop up in close. Even with 900HP scouts? And so it goes.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1152	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:15:00 - [36] - Quote Scrambler pistol. It is the business. Crush them
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1078	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:24:00 - [37] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: The bolt compliments the shotty and knives real well. Looking forward to getting my Kaalutaka Bolt. Ion is nice with the SCP or knives. SMGs are always cool. Magsec works well with the AR. The bolt pistol is a hybrid weapon, I like using it with my EX0 cause explosive weapons are weak against shielding. SMG works well with any weapon or just itself. And plus, the bolt is a mini-shotgun so it hits really hard. I dual wield them to look badass but my aim could use some work. lol I think your confusing how hybrid weapons are divided. Hybrid - rail are -10% to shields, +10% to armour Hybrid - blasters are +10% to shields, - 10% to armour Bolt is rail tech Hybrid means they both use magnets to accelerate the projectiles but one is a solid metal slug (rail) while the other is ionised gas / plasma (blaster) "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 928	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:26:00 - [38] - Quote Bolt Pistol. If God had wanted you to live, he would not have created me! 28
sabre prime the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 159	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:41:00 - [39] - Quote Bolt pistol and magsec are my new favourites. Been trying to master their use on my Caldari alt and been loving it. Managing the slight charge delay before firing is tricky, but once you get used to the timing you can wreck lives. Haven't tried the tactical SMG yet, has it been put into the game? Have quite a bit of SP in smgs, so I love them too. PS. Why don't you just put your preferred sidearms in the light weapon slot? Then you don't have to switch as you decloak. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 261	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:52:00 - [40] - Quote Magsex hands down The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12002	Posted - 2014.04.03 09:18:00 - [41] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: ion pistol. testing has shown the charged shot is at least 500 damge from the t-12 the ion psitol is an absolute nightmare for caldarians and minmattars as the charged shot will all most ohk andy of thier suits. Are you high? The prototype one with prof 5 barely does a shade over 400 on a charge shot and that's barely enough to OHKO a militia Cal/Min suit. If they actually fit shield extenders, forget about it. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 4951	Posted - 2014.04.03 09:23:00 - [42] - Quote I'm a big fan of the BP I got proto and it goes well with a shotgun. Just make sure to NOT use it in cqc unless it's a finisher. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
1pawn dust Algintal Core Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2014.04.03 09:27:00 - [43] - Quote Best side arm is still a toss up between SMG and Scrambler pistol
Oswald Rehnquist 1324	Posted - 2014.04.03 09:42:00 - [44] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: ion pistol. testing has shown the charged shot is at least 500 damge from the t-12 the ion psitol is an absolute nightmare for caldarians and minmattars as the charged shot will all most ohk andy of thier suits. Are you high? The prototype one with prof 5 barely does a shade over 400 on a charge shot and that's barely enough to OHKO a militia Cal/Min suit. If they actually fit shield extenders, forget about it. hes including the 1.25 headshot multiplier, which brings it to 500 Below 28 dB
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 15	Posted - 2014.04.03 10:27:00 - [45] - Quote I love the Bolt Pistol though its range should be a little bit increase. It's hard to use at cqc and efficient at close-mid range but it goes useless way too close unfortunatly. IMO it's the most rewarding weapon with the Scrambler pistol ^^
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1138	Posted - 2014.04.03 11:07:00 - [46] - Quote 1pawn dust wrote: Best side arm is still a toss up between SMG and Scrambler pistol My alt pleasantly surprised me by shredding some Reds with a Toxin SMG. WTF? So I upgrade the SMG to the ADV Breach and they go down even faster. Quite fun. He hadn't spent any SP on Suits as the medium suits are going to be tweaked to the gods only know what gods know when and they are waiting to Nerf Hammer the Heavies once enough SP has been wasted on them. And so it goes.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 952	Posted - 2014.04.03 11:07:00 - [47] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Brokerib wrote: Still the scrambler pistol. Scrambler for Shield, SMG for armor. Particularly useful if you can get the first shot out of cloak, you can one hit mediums into armor with a headshot, and one shot scouts in general. Plus the scrambler pistol has range over the SMG, so you can start an engagement further out to take down their shields, then mop up in close. Even with 900HP scouts? Sorry. In that case, two shots. Knowledge is power
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2368	Posted - 2014.04.03 11:18:00 - [48] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: ion pistol. testing has shown the charged shot is at least 500 damge from the t-12 the ion psitol is an absolute nightmare for caldarians and minmattars as the charged shot will all most ohk andy of thier suits. IF you land that shot. So far, I have never been killed with an ion pistol. not for lack of people trying either. hell, I've never even been hit by a charged shot from one. and the actual data sheet says 350 ish. Yes but the data asmwe know doesn't maccount for a lot of variables, you may never been killed by it, but those skilled in its use can make it dance better than the other 3 pistols. Its HROF, High Damage Per Shot and the Overloaded Shot is the Perfect Finisher. I enjoyed yesterday alot colecting scalps with the Ion Pistol, its just one of those guns you can either make work, or you can't. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
THE SHR3DD3R THE FOOTCLAN 3	Posted - 2014.04.03 11:20:00 - [49] - Quote Checkmate trust me, CAR9 burst scp and a ishikone smg! Edit: minmatar scout+ myro
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4775	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:02:00 - [50] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Brokerib wrote: Still the scrambler pistol. Scrambler for Shield, SMG for armor. Particularly useful if you can get the first shot out of cloak, you can one hit mediums into armor with a headshot, and one shot scouts in general. Plus the scrambler pistol has range over the SMG, so you can start an engagement further out to take down their shields, then mop up in close. Even with 900HP scouts? Who is Lame enough to tank a scout to 900HP .... ? XD CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12024	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:05:00 - [51] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: ion pistol. testing has shown the charged shot is at least 500 damge from the t-12 the ion psitol is an absolute nightmare for caldarians and minmattars as the charged shot will all most ohk andy of thier suits. Are you high? The prototype one with prof 5 barely does a shade over 400 on a charge shot and that's barely enough to OHKO a militia Cal/Min suit. If they actually fit shield extenders, forget about it. hes including the 1.25 headshot multiplier, which brings it to 500 If we are assuming guaranteed headshots, then you should use a scrambler pistol. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 716	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:27:00 - [52] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: ion pistol. testing has shown the charged shot is at least 500 damge from the t-12 the ion psitol is an absolute nightmare for caldarians and minmattars as the charged shot will all most ohk andy of thier suits. Bro, I've taken t-12 charged shots to the face and ran away to talk about it with 15hp, lol that seize. 410 ehp CalScout -> not at least 500 damage. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4603	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:30:00 - [53] - Quote Ion pistol is very reliable for the in-your-face fights. Most importantly, it sounds badass. I'm from the weird side of the internet


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