DUST Search - How valuable do we think Officer Weapons will be?

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Putting the price at 4 million doesn't quite work. The reason is simple: every officer weapon has the same chance to drop. I believe there are 7 officer weapons:
Gastun's MIN-7 HMG
Gastun's BRN-50 Forge Gun,
Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun,
Wolfman's PCP-30 Scrambler Pistol,
Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle,
Krin's SIN-11 Assault Rifle,
Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle.

How many of those do people care about? Well, no one really wants to use Assault/Plasma Rifles anymore so that gets rid of 2. Do you really want to spend 4 million on an officer sidearm? Nah, so that gets rid of 2. We are left with Thale's Sniper and Gastun's HMG and Forge.

Of those three, which one is going to be the most valuable and sought after? Thale's obviously followed by the Forge. They are the longest range, are less likely to lose them, and are the most useful. Thale's has a great scope and the Forge damage isn't overkill if you are shooting against vehicles.

We have gone from 7 possible officer weapons to 3 that people will actually want and 2 that will be highly desirable. That means there is only a 3/7 or 2/7 of an officer drop not being 'meh.' This will drive the prices up for the good ones while making the undesirable ones a dime a dozen.

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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9139	Posted - 2014.04.01 07:51:00 - [1] - Quote Lets throw down some rough figures here shall we. I have never used officer tier weapons I am a poor judge of their worth. But how much are people going to be willing to pay for them? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2510	Posted - 2014.04.01 07:55:00 - [2] - Quote I saw a good maths-ing that the price will eventually stabilise at about 4M per on average, based on an average of one set of three dropping every 20 matches on average. ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9139	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:01:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I saw a good maths-ing that the price will eventually stabilise at about 4M per on average, based on an average of one set of three dropping every 20 matches on average. 4 Million Per individual weapon? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution 293	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:07:00 - [4] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I saw a good maths-ing that the price will eventually stabilise at about 4M per on average, based on an average of one set of three dropping every 20 matches on average. If only I had gotten even a single set of officer weapons during Uprising on my main, but nope, so in my book they are priceless. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2510	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:19:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I saw a good maths-ing that the price will eventually stabilise at about 4M per on average, based on an average of one set of three dropping every 20 matches on average. 4 Million Per individual weapon? From what I recall, yep. Although multiplying 200k*20 matches suggests 4M for three. This is an estimate of the final, stable price, incidentally, so don't expect to be buying up Officer gear at this price when the market comes in. I'm guessing that Viktor, Castor, Cubs, people like that will corner the whole market upon release. Huge wallets = massive buying power. EDIT: For the record, I'm not interested in them. Except maybe FGs ;) ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9140	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:21:00 - [6] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I saw a good maths-ing that the price will eventually stabilise at about 4M per on average, based on an average of one set of three dropping every 20 matches on average. 4 Million Per individual weapon? From what I recall, yep. Although multiplying 200k20 matches suggests 4M for three. This is an estimate of the final, stable price, incidentally, so don't expect to be buying up Officer gear at this price when the market comes in. I'm guessing that Viktor, Castor, Cubs, people like that will corner the whole market upon release. Huge wallets = massive buying power. EDIT: For the record, I'm not interested in them. Except maybe FGs ;) I don't want to buy it..... I want to sell it. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"* -Dagger Two
TheDarthMa94 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 208	Posted - 2014.04.01 08:27:00 - [7] - Quote I'm guessing 1 to 2 million ISK. I doubt it will be worth more.... Sith Apprentice and Director of NAO "I will fight and die for my corp, friends and allies to the last drop of latte"
lordeh42 ideas not tolerated 19	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:11:00 - [8] - Quote Did I miss something ...are they actually going to put "a market in". They have promised this forever did they give a date? or is it the same as your "cheques in the post", "of course I love" you etc . You know the greatest lies in the world....lol
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 934	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:22:00 - [9] - Quote Putting the price at 4 million doesn't quite work. The reason is simple: every officer weapon has the same chance to drop. I believe there are 7 officer weapons: Gastun's MIN-7 HMG Gastun's BRN-50 Forge Gun, Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun, Wolfman's PCP-30 Scrambler Pistol, Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle, Krin's SIN-11 Assault Rifle, Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle. How many of those do people care about? Well, no one really wants to use Assault/Plasma Rifles anymore so that gets rid of 2. Do you really want to spend 4 million on an officer sidearm? Nah, so that gets rid of 2. We are left with Thale's Sniper and Gastun's HMG and Forge. Of those three, which one is going to be the most valuable and sought after? Thale's obviously followed by the Forge. They are the longest range, are less likely to lose them, and are the most useful. Thale's has a great scope and the Forge damage isn't overkill if you are shooting against vehicles. We have gone from 7 possible officer weapons to 3 that people will actually want and 2 that will be highly desirable. That means there is only a 3/7 or 2/7 of an officer drop not being 'meh.' This will drive the prices up for the good ones while making the undesirable ones a dime a dozen. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 128	Posted - 2014.04.01 13:57:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lets throw down some rough figures here shall we. I have never used officer tier weapons I am a poor judge of their worth. But how much are people going to be willing to pay for them? I will be selling all mine for 500k each! A LOT of other players have alreay sold theirs for that (deposits paid). NO GUN will be worth a mill. Maybe when none are left. As far as 'winning' officer weapons in match, you guys are clueless. I have gotten (12) in one day (within a few hours). There is a trick to getting them. Send 10 mill and ill share my secret. Signed, Sealed, Delivered

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2422	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:04:00 - [11] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: We have gone from 7 possible officer weapons to 3 that people will actually want and 2 that will be highly desirable. That means there is only a 3/7 or 2/7 of an officer drop not being 'meh.' This will drive the prices up for the good ones while making the undesirable ones a dime a dozen. Pretty much this. Thale's will skyrocket in price pretty quick. I think the Forge will likely skyrocket as well. Everything else will have a relatively high price but nothing astronomical. Before 1.7 I would have said Balac's would also be worth a ton, nowadays im not so sure. They are still a beastly gun though.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2550	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:13:00 - [12] - Quote Yeah, the main problem with the officer weapons is that so many of them are relics that are outclassed by the new weapons. I will probably be holding on to my balac's and krin's until they (soonGäó) rebuff the AR's and demand goes up. Thales tho... man, I never use them but keep saying I will some day. It's really tempting sometimes... I don't think I will part with those, at least not all of them. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
shadow drake35 the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 116	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:19:00 - [13] - Quote whats an officier weapon ive heard of it but i figured it was an advanced weapon MAG Raven, Valor, and S.V.E.R. Veteran
WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 159	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:25:00 - [14] - Quote My thales will sell for 1mil My Balacs and Krins 200k Gastons 250k All sidearms 125k Price may change on demand... 4KD Minmatar Assault Weapon sp refund please
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3237	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:27:00 - [15] - Quote Next person to say thales is going to cost the most ISK is going to get punched in the tit. The thales will be one of the cheapest because if you notice thales user don't die very often so they will not need to restock. Selling Templar BPOs Queen improves gameplay by 100% Inertia dampeners are for poors
Spike Slania CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 18	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:31:00 - [16] - Quote I know I will trading all my officer weapons for officer hmgs I'm not too far from you, I can't wait to see you, again and again
1pawn dust Algintal Core Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:33:00 - [17] - Quote maybe 4x the cost of a proto weapon of its type? I dont think it will be insane, also without PvE to farm for the items in hand it wont really be a sustainable market and the officer weapons in question arent that much better than the proto variant with the exception of the thale
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 64	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:39:00 - [18] - Quote I'm planning on spending all of my money on Thale's whenever that day happens. In fact, I'm about to transfer CEO duties for Swiss Bank over to someone else and start a Thale-centric corp solely to buy/sell/collect Thale's exclusively.... 1%er
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2735	Posted - 2014.04.01 15:11:00 - [19] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Putting the price at 4 million doesn't quite work. The reason is simple: every officer weapon has the same chance to drop. I believe there are 7 officer weapons: Gastun's MIN-7 HMG Gastun's BRN-50 Forge Gun, Cala's MK-33 Submachine Gun, Wolfman's PCP-30 Scrambler Pistol, Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle, Krin's SIN-11 Assault Rifle, Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle. How many of those do people care about? Well, no one really wants to use Assault/Plasma Rifles anymore so that gets rid of 2. Do you really want to spend 4 million on an officer sidearm? Nah, so that gets rid of 2. We are left with Thale's Sniper and Gastun's HMG and Forge. Of those three, which one is going to be the most valuable and sought after? Thale's obviously followed by the Forge. They are the longest range, are less likely to lose them, and are the most useful. Thale's has a great scope and the Forge damage isn't overkill if you are shooting against vehicles. We have gone from 7 possible officer weapons to 3 that people will actually want and 2 that will be highly desirable. That means there is only a 3/7 or 2/7 of an officer drop not being 'meh.' This will drive the prices up for the good ones while making the undesirable ones a dime a dozen. people won't care about the balac's or cala's? I hope so...I will purchase them by bulk since no one else wants them. I will be selling my Thale's for at least $20M with no cap on how high I will sell them for. I may even start selling them at $50M. weRideNDie2getha since 2010 (https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts)
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2735	Posted - 2014.04.01 15:13:00 - [20] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: My thales will sell for 1mil My Balacs and Krins 200k Gastons 250k All sidearms 125k Price may change on demand... You sir, will sell fast. Too bad you can't make them yourself to have an infinite supply. weRideNDie2getha since 2010 (https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts)

Jaster J F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 19	Posted - 2014.04.01 15:17:00 - [21] - Quote shadow drake35 wrote: whats an officier weapon ive heard of it but i figured it was an advanced weapon An officer weapon is a rare item you can only get through salvage in a match they are superior to prototype weapons so you need to be skilled i think into proficiency in the weapons skill tree to use them.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2922	Posted - 2014.04.01 15:27:00 - [22] - Quote A corp mate says you get more if you use more. He was using his HMGs and got a few Thales a few matches later, coincidence? Absolutely! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7752	Posted - 2014.04.01 15:30:00 - [23] - Quote I would say about 10 million ISK a piece on the first week of the secondary market opening up. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1800	Posted - 2014.04.01 15:41:00 - [24] - Quote I have a feeling the majority of the Dust community (95%) will be too poor to afford these much less have a need too other than pubstomping. Understanding that they are indeed uncommon, people forget they are very rarely used (excluding Thales). (I'm a closed beta vet and have only pulled out 1 officer weapon ever.) Officer weapons are mainly for Corp grudge matches. Forums>Dead and dying game Sooo... Can't handle the end game? I Sorry.
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 406	Posted - 2014.04.01 15:51:00 - [25] - Quote I'll probably look closely at stats between basic, advanced, and proto, get an idea of how much each increase in damage, accuracy, etc. is worth, calculate how much that would make each officer weapon worth stats-wise, and then bullshit some coefficient to multiply by based on demand and scarcity. Maths for the win! "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 496	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:10:00 - [26] - Quote i have no idea. i have several of all of them. i may have to ditch all mine that arnt thales and gastun hmg's. the hmg because i may actully use it at some point. the thales because im going to chuck them in the corner where my "filling cabnet" live's or as its more affectionaly know the bin. ccp you broke the forge. skills are not being applied till 30 secs after spawn fixes before nerfs thank you.
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 291	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:13:00 - [27] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I saw a good maths-ing that the price will eventually stabilise at about 4M per on average, based on an average of one set of three dropping every 20 matches on average. yeah I made that post, i'll link it here in a second
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 291	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:14:00 - [28] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1541350
Vickers S Grunt Expert Intervention Caldari State 213	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:14:00 - [29] - Quote Wonder how much i will get for my balacs assault suits


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