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Adell Shinzumakami Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:34:00 - [1] - Quote Now I know what you're thinking "Cloaking is OP it's impossible to fix without touching!!" But.... Has anybody ever thought of..... Thermal imagining equipment?... This would be a great battlefield tool to help expose cloaking scouts! Now before some noobs say "This would be OP!!" I have some balanced suggestions... - Limited range - Profile Dampners slightly makes you undetected (Unless cloaked) I GÖÑ RoadKill Closed BETA vet - CLOAKING
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 208	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:44:00 - [2] - Quote If you have dampners you would still appear but only slightly kinda like a ghost. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 369	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:58:00 - [3] - Quote Or when the predator looks at Arnold in the mud. He's blue like his environment. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 390	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:01:00 - [4] - Quote Ears are my best defense so far, slapping feet when I'm all alone are a dead giveaway. Because, that's why.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4736	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:10:00 - [5] - Quote Adell Shinzumakami wrote: Now I know what you're thinking "Cloaking is OP it's impossible to fix without touching!!" But.... Has anybody ever thought of..... Thermal imagining equipment?... This would be a great battlefield tool to help expose cloaking scouts! Now before some noobs say "This would be OP!!" I have some balanced suggestions... - Limited range - Profile Dampners slightly makes you undetected (Unless cloaked) WE already had a ''Fck scouts'' equipment in the past: it was called A.Scanners pre 1.8. So no ty,* Get your game up people. SRSLY.... Having to Perfectly SEE a 300HP player in order to have a chance is sad. ITs not like we are 100% invisible you know.... Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 316	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:17:00 - [6] - Quote A lot of you guys don't exactly have 300 HP either King.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4738	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:26:00 - [7] - Quote straya fox wrote: A lot of you guys don't exactly have 300 HP either King. WELL depends on the type of scout. an E-war scout like mine has 312 EHP at proto level >..> . Tanked scouts are just an Assault with a dampener and an extra equip-slot in exchange for EHP... >.> Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:27:00 - [8] - Quote l2p
Adell Shinzumakami Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 109	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:29:00 - [9] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Ears are my best defense so far, slapping feet when I'm all alone are a dead giveaway. Lol I actually discovered this today. I was hacking a turret and all of a sudden I hear footsteps, but saw nobody. Then I saw a nlue phantom trying to sneak up on me. First time I killed a shotgun phantom... Was also a great kill because he had proto from blackned suit & gun and was going 24/0 I GÖÑ RoadKill Closed BETA vet - CLOAKING
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 318	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:30:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: straya fox wrote: A lot of you guys don't exactly have 300 HP either King. WELL depends on the type of scout. an E-war scout like mine has 312 EHP at proto level >..> . Tanked scouts are just an Assault with a dampener and an extra equip-slot in exchange for EHP... >.> Yeah i agree they have that, but also a cloak. I think this is causing most of the complaints.

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4739	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:33:00 - [11] - Quote straya fox wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: straya fox wrote: A lot of you guys don't exactly have 300 HP either King. WELL depends on the type of scout. an E-war scout like mine has 312 EHP at proto level >..> . Tanked scouts are just an Assault with a dampener and an extra equip-slot in exchange for EHP... >.> Yeah i agree they have that, but also a cloak. I think this is causing most of the complaints. Well, if there is something there will always be, are complaints. This doesnt mean there should be change every time somebody whines because of something. Truly, if it wasnt because i can cloak and hide behind stuff, i would have to go back to Scout TANKING and/or using profile dampened Assaults (like my Amarr one) because E-war is no good if they see you coming.... Sure there are TANKED scouts, but they are sacrificing SO, SO much in order to have close to Med frame EHP they dont even know it....(Specially if you are going to use a cloak! Cloak = Avoid being seen if possible,WHy in gods name do you need more than 400HP then? some people... XD) Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 318	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:37:00 - [12] - Quote I went back into my Cal assault, like i have always run, thinking something this bad has to get a buff eventually (haha). I usually dampen it, but now i'm stacking plates to try and get some sort of reaction time to a cloaked shotty in the back. The main problem i am having is the reaction time to cloaked shotguns, there is none really.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 345	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:41:00 - [13] - Quote A brick tanked scout is very easy to passive scan by a cal scout, or any scout with precision enhancers or a proto scanner. They are also easy to kill just like most cloaked scouts are easy to kill. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 631	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:46:00 - [14] - Quote Adell Shinzumakami wrote: Now I know what you're thinking "Cloaking is OP it's impossible to fix without touching!!" I never thought that and I dont know why you think it. Until someone goes 40-0 with a cloak and every weapon available then the cloak isnt OP. Its not the cloak, its whats used with the cloak. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 318	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:51:00 - [15] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Adell Shinzumakami wrote: Now I know what you're thinking "Cloaking is OP it's impossible to fix without touching!!" I never thought that and I dont know why you think it. Until someone goes 40-0 with a cloak and every weapon available then the cloak isnt OP. Its not the cloak, its whats used with the cloak. I agree sort of. The ability to fire 2 shots with the shotgun before becoming visible needs to be fixed, that is directly cloak related.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4740	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:52:00 - [16] - Quote straya fox wrote: I went back into my Cal assault, like i have always run, thinking something this bad has to get a buff eventually (haha). I usually dampen it, but now i'm stacking plates to try and get some sort of reaction time to a cloaked shotty in the back. The main problem i am having is the reaction time to cloaked shotguns, there is none really. Nor there is to a well placed R/E. Nor there is to a Heavy With Six Kin Burst HMG at close range (at least in my scout suit) Nor there is to an LAV just speeding through the battlefield. Nor there is to a Rail Tank sniping you. Nor there is to a team of 3+ enemies all using Mass Drivers. Still,doesnt mean it needs a nerf. Im sure that after a while, when people Realize that cloak does not MEAN invisibility and that is ACTUALLY quite easy to pick a cloaked foe,even while he is standing still..... unless his profile dampening is too high....like mine... ;) Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4755	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:21:00 - [17] - Quote straya fox wrote: I went back into my Cal assault, like i have always run, thinking something this bad has to get a buff eventually (haha). I usually dampen it, but now i'm stacking plates to try and get some sort of reaction time to a cloaked shotty in the back. The main problem i am having is the reaction time to cloaked shotguns, there is none really. If a cloaked Shotgunner is getting you IN THE BACK, then it doesn't matter whether they were cloaked or not, you were dead because THEY GOT BEHIND YOU. The reaction time you have is all the time it takes for them to get in close. CHECK BEHIND YOU. Assume there is ALWAYS an enemy coming for you. DON'T STOP WATCHING YOUR BACK. If you see your crosshairs light up red, or if you see a blue glowing thing moving around, open fire. If you're not running a Shotgun yourself, you have the range advantage by a HUGE margin. If you are, YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW TO BE CHECKING YOUR BACK. So check your back and look out for cloakers. Congratulations, cloaks are no longer OP against you. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Best way to fix cloaks without touching them would be to have a tooltip that shows up when you start the game, showing "this is a cloaked Scout standing still" and "this is a cloaked Scout while running" and "this is what it looks like when you're aiming at a cloaked Scout" so people can see how easily the "invisibility" can be countered by simply realising THEY AREN'T INVISIBLE.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 627	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:33:00 - [18] - Quote eyes are OP nerf eyes B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
Adell Shinzumakami Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 111	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:35:00 - [19] - Quote bamboo x wrote: eyes are OP nerf eyes Like we haven't heard that before.... I GÖÑ RoadKill Closed BETA vet - CLOAKING


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