DUST Search - Primary roles for logis in 1.8

Henry FitzEmpress wrote:

zzZaXxx wrote:

Minmatar - Go heavy or go home

Min logis need to be repping a heavy literally at all times, unless they're taking a break to res someone and rep them up. Their speed makes them a hard target as they're constantly in motion looking for threats while keeping their repper running. Speed also enables them to GTFO, stay alive, and then hopefully finish guys off from cover and come back to res the gang.

IMO, you're selling the Minmatar Logi short if you believe its core function is to "...be repping a heavy literally at all times..." If anything, after 1.8 the hallmark of the Minmatar logi continues to be versatility.

A balanced H/L slot layout, 3 starting equipment w/4 at proto, the quickest walking and running Logi, 2nd most stamina with the quickest stamina regeneration (seriously, it's insane),the highest logi hacking bonus, and the quick shield regeneration the Minnie suit has great baseline stats even before considering the repair tool bonus.

You can construct speed hacking suits, AV suits, sneaky suits, decent slayer suits, speedy uplink droppers and yes, chubby chasers (i'm sure I'm missing many suit variations.) Minnie Logi may not be able to do any specific role as good as another suit (besides repping) but I don't think any other suit can perform the totality of all these roles as well as the Minnie can.

You can even look at the Minnie as being the logi suit least suited for running in lockstep with a Heavy due to the fact that all that speed and stamina and hacking are being wasted following a fattie.

It's certainly an interesting gameplay mechanic decision that CCP has made. Giving the fleetest logi suit a bonus to the piece of equipment that necessarily ties it to a slower moving squad.

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zzZaXxx Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 278	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:10:00 - [1] - Quote One of the causes of our frustration is that we're used to being able to do a variety of things and now we're specialized. Each racial logi is going to have a particular play style that will work for them best I think. Here's my attempt at pinning them down: Minmatar - Go heavy or go home Min logis need to be repping a heavy literally at all times, unless they're taking a break to res someone and rep them up. Their speed makes them a hard target as they're constantly in motion looking for threats while keeping their repper running. Speed also enables them to GTFO, stay alive, and then hopefully finish guys off from cover and come back to res the gang. Amarr - Backdoor man Amarr logi drop uplinks are wicked fast. If an Amarr logi flanks to a soft spot in the enemy's rear (ahem) he can find a nice cozy spot and lay down 4 uplinks....from which literally the whole team can spawn in short order. They can enable the whole team to rapidly blitz the enemy from a soft flank. They should be trying to do this literally all the time. And they can get there on their own because they've got a sidearm and decent stamina (though going with a Cal scout would be better.) All they need is a kincat. Gallente - Eagle eyes The Caldari scout can give your squad great vision of what's going on in the 70 meter (diameter) circle surrounding him (hopefully not far off from the 70 meter circle surrounding you) but if you're pretty sure the main body of the enemy is coming at you from flanks A and B, the Gallente logi can show you how they're moving at you from 100 meters in that direction and can keep those two avenues of attack perma-scanned (using two scanners). If you're mainly concerned with a single flank, that logi can give you a perma-scanned 100 meter, 120 degree angle cone of vision of that area, which means you'll be ready for most of what will come at you from there. On the offensive, if you know where your squad wants to strike, the Gal logi can give you that big cone of vision to move through on your way there. When you're in an extended engagement he can keep the enemies lit up. The Cal scout gives your squad awareness of it's surroundings. The Gallente logi enables your squad to know everything about specific areas/flanks. You have to play on a higher level of squad play, communication, and knowledge of the maps to benefit from this, but squads operating on that level can use the Gallente logi to great effect. A lot of the responsibility for that higher level, especially map knowledge, will fall on the Gal logi, so this is really a thinking mans role. if you know how to do it well, you'll be indispensable. If not, your usefulness may be called into question. Caldari - Loginator 2 The Cal logi continues to be well suited for slayer logi play. They have the best shield HP, recharge, and delay, and--due to relying less on armor--good mobility. At proto level they can still field a wicked tank, and their specialty enables them to keep their rifle in hand. They're still logis though and can provide vital resupply on the front lines while helping with gun game. And don't forget...their repping hives are insane. If a Cal logi gets set up in a nice defensive position with some rep hives and a heavy or two, that's a very hard nut to crack.
Faunher Ivory Vanguard 153	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:25:00 - [2] - Quote The new changes don't shut you out from using other equipment, you are still able to use them at their default values. I personally run min logi, and I do all the functions of any other logi, but I throw some dampeners on and I play a more hit-and-run evasive style of play. The change that came partially crippled logis in regard to tank, but otherwise we seem better off.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 859	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:40:00 - [3] - Quote Most of the Logis I encounter are still brick tanked assaults...not that I have a problem with that but fi CCP planned to change these assault logis with 1.8 they failed...
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 279	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:08:00 - [4] - Quote bump Hey don't leave me hangin y'all. Do these seem like accurate pictures of how these logis can be successfully utilized? Ok, I admit I'm not sure about Gallente logi. Cal scout seems to be a better answer for vision in every way since scanners have been ++ber-nerfed. But I hit the mark with the other ones right? EDIT: and scanners will likely be buffed a bit. The snapshot is overkill.
Duke Noobiam Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:29:00 - [5] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: bump Hey don't leave me hangin y'all. Do these seem like accurate pictures of how these logis can be successfully utilized? Ok, I admit I'm not sure about Gallente logi. Cal scout seems to be a better answer for vision in every way since scanners have been ++ber-nerfed. But I hit the mark with the other ones right? EDIT: and scanners will likely be buffed a bit. The snapshot is overkill. Minmatar logi here... Love to run my proto rep tool, it's a great way to support the team and to rack up WPs, but I still carry uplinks and nanohives (on my proto suit). Main difference is I don't "spam" equipment (I leave that to the logis that specialized in that), I just deploy what I have when it is needed in order to support the team. I still average around 500 WPs/game from uplinks and nanohives. Moral of the story is... Yes logis are now specialized, but our role is to support the team in whatever way is needed. I would not discourage any logi from carying a variety of equipment. When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2670	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:32:00 - [6] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: bump Hey don't leave me hangin y'all. Do these seem like accurate pictures of how these logis can be successfully utilized? Ok, I admit I'm not sure about Gallente logi. Cal scout seems to be a better answer for vision in every way since scanners have been ++ber-nerfed. But I hit the mark with the other ones right? EDIT: and scanners will likely be buffed a bit. The snapshot is overkill. Minmatar logi here... Love to run my proto rep tool, it's a great way to support the team and to rack up WPs, but I still carry uplinks and nanohives (on my proto suit). Main difference is I don't "spam" equipment (I leave that to the logis that specialized in that), I just deploy what I have when it is needed in order to support the team. I still average around 500 WPs/game from uplinks and nanohives. Moral of the story is... Yes logis are now specialized, but our role is to support the team in whatever way is needed. I would not discourage any logi from carying a variety of equipment. What he said. Gear is gear, run the gear you have a bonus for, or not. Also run the gear you need. I see plenty of uplinks and nanohives being deployed from suits without the bonus. Hail Satan
Vulpes Dolosus Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1203	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:39:00 - [7] - Quote I'm falling in love with the min logi. Great shield buffer with decent regen, armor for staying buffer, and speed/agility to get to and from places faster (I can actually keep up with a springing heavy and repair him!). Me in my ADS: 1,2
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 256	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:50:00 - [8] - Quote The main objection I have is that the Gallente Logi's buff is to a piece of Ewar equipment that would be better suited for a scout. A support role, true, but outside the context of "Logistics" which focuses on supply/repair etc. Instead I'd prefer a lesser version of Min/Cal not to the point where a GalLogi is competing with either but certainly so they are buffed above 'Default values'. Aside from that they really did nerd the scanners a bit too much (the scan angle is way to narrow for the precision provided). The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 280	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:51:00 - [9] - Quote I'm on board with y'all. Min logi needs a rep tool and injector and the other two are situational. Gal logi should have two scanners and then whatever is needed. For Amarr, their uplinks are so ridiculously good and the need for fresh placement so great generally that it seems natural for them to carry two unless they've already spammed and feel set with that for the time being. Caldari of course should have at least one ammo hive but their rep hives are so good it's hard to imagine anything being a better choice. And both of the latter two still have one equipment slot free.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 281	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:58:00 - [10] - Quote Logis and scouts make better assaults.

zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 284	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:16:00 - [11] - Quote Bump
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 631	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:21:00 - [12] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: Logis and scouts make better assaults. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1189	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:22:00 - [13] - Quote Eagle eyes got our eyes poked out with these broken scanners And I'm not talking about the nerf, if they did as the nerf described they would actually do something at least. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 284	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:24:00 - [14] - Quote I agree scanners are broken.
Henry FitzEmpress Carpenters United 97	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:17:00 - [15] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Minmatar - Go heavy or go home Min logis need to be repping a heavy literally at all times, unless they're taking a break to res someone and rep them up. Their speed makes them a hard target as they're constantly in motion looking for threats while keeping their repper running. Speed also enables them to GTFO, stay alive, and then hopefully finish guys off from cover and come back to res the gang. IMO, you're selling the Minmatar Logi short if you believe its core function is to "...be repping a heavy literally at all times..." If anything, after 1.8 the hallmark of the Minmatar logi continues to be versatility. A balanced H/L slot layout, 3 starting equipment w/4 at proto, the quickest walking and running Logi, 2nd most stamina with the quickest stamina regeneration (seriously, it's insane),the highest logi hacking bonus, and the quick shield regeneration the Minnie suit has great baseline stats even before considering the repair tool bonus. You can construct speed hacking suits, AV suits, sneaky suits, decent slayer suits, speedy uplink droppers and yes, chubby chasers (i'm sure I'm missing many suit variations.) Minnie Logi may not be able to do any specific role as good as another suit (besides repping) but I don't think any other suit can perform the totality of all these roles as well as the Minnie can. You can even look at the Minnie as being the logi suit least suited for running in lockstep with a Heavy due to the fact that all that speed and stamina and hacking are being wasted following a fattie. It's certainly an interesting gameplay mechanic decision that CCP has made. Giving the fleetest logi suit a bonus to the piece of equipment that necessarily ties it to a slower moving squad.
SirManBoy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 471	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:33:00 - [16] - Quote I just wish this new system allowed deployed uplinks and nanohives to retain their bonuses after suit changes at the supply depot. I'd be more than happy to accept the burdens of specialization if we just got that one concession.
The Robot Devil Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2243	Posted - 2014.04.01 04:37:00 - [17] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: bump Hey don't leave me hangin y'all. Do these seem like accurate pictures of how these logis can be successfully utilized? Ok, I admit I'm not sure about Gallente logi. Cal scout seems to be a better answer for vision in every way since scanners have been ++ber-nerfed. But I hit the mark with the other ones right? EDIT: and scanners will likely be buffed a bit. The snapshot is overkill. Minmatar logi here... Love to run my proto rep tool, it's a great way to support the team and to rack up WPs, but I still carry uplinks and nanohives (on my proto suit). Main difference is I don't "spam" equipment (I leave that to the logis that specialized in that), I just deploy what I have when it is needed in order to support the team. I still average around 500 WPs/game from uplinks and nanohives. Moral of the story is... Yes logis are now specialized, but our role is to support the team in whatever way is needed. I would not discourage any logi from carying a variety of equipment. The equipment on my logi suit that isn't a tool is used only when needed because they deplete so fast. I love my MInmatar level 5 logi. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 284	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:01:00 - [18] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I just wish this new system allowed deployed uplinks and nanohives to retain their bonuses after suit changes at the supply depot. I'd be more than happy to accept the burdens of specialization if we just got that one concession. Say it ain't so!!!!
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 284	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:14:00 - [19] - Quote Henry FitzEmpress wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Minmatar - Go heavy or go home Min logis need to be repping a heavy literally at all times, unless they're taking a break to res someone and rep them up. Their speed makes them a hard target as they're constantly in motion looking for threats while keeping their repper running. Speed also enables them to GTFO, stay alive, and then hopefully finish guys off from cover and come back to res the gang. IMO, you're selling the Minmatar Logi short if you believe its core function is to "...be repping a heavy literally at all times..." If anything, after 1.8 the hallmark of the Minmatar logi continues to be versatility. A balanced H/L slot layout, 3 starting equipment w/4 at proto, the quickest walking and running Logi, 2nd most stamina with the quickest stamina regeneration (seriously, it's insane),the highest logi hacking bonus, and the quick shield regeneration the Minnie suit has great baseline stats even before considering the repair tool bonus. You can construct speed hacking suits, AV suits, sneaky suits, decent slayer suits, speedy uplink droppers and yes, chubby chasers (i'm sure I'm missing many suit variations.) Minnie Logi may not be able to do any specific role as good as another suit (besides repping) but I don't think any other suit can perform the totality of all these roles as well as the Minnie can. You can even look at the Minnie as being the logi suit least suited for running in lockstep with a Heavy due to the fact that all that speed and stamina and hacking are being wasted following a fattie. It's certainly an interesting gameplay mechanic decision that CCP has made. Giving the fleetest logi suit a bonus to the piece of equipment that necessarily ties it to a slower moving squad. Oh I'm with you. I love running around cloaked with hacking mods, and uplinks are always part of my fit, but if you want to win in PC you'll keep your dogs on the leash.
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 122	Posted - 2014.04.01 05:35:00 - [20] - Quote Henry FitzEmpress wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Minmatar - Go heavy or go home Min logis need to be repping a heavy literally at all times, unless they're taking a break to res someone and rep them up. Their speed makes them a hard target as they're constantly in motion looking for threats while keeping their repper running. Speed also enables them to GTFO, stay alive, and then hopefully finish guys off from cover and come back to res the gang. IMO, you're selling the Minmatar Logi short if you believe its core function is to "...be repping a heavy literally at all times..." If anything, after 1.8 the hallmark of the Minmatar logi continues to be versatility. A balanced H/L slot layout, 3 starting equipment w/4 at proto, the quickest walking and running Logi, 2nd most stamina with the quickest stamina regeneration (seriously, it's insane),the highest logi hacking bonus, and the quick shield regeneration the Minnie suit has great baseline stats even before considering the repair tool bonus. You can construct speed hacking suits, AV suits, sneaky suits, decent slayer suits, speedy uplink droppers and yes, chubby chasers (i'm sure I'm missing many suit variations.) Minnie Logi may not be able to do any specific role as good as another suit (besides repping) but I don't think any other suit can perform the totality of all these roles as well as the Minnie can. You can even look at the Minnie as being the logi suit least suited for running in lockstep with a Heavy due to the fact that all that speed and stamina and hacking are being wasted following a fattie. It's certainly an interesting gameplay mechanic decision that CCP has made. Giving the fleetest logi suit a bonus to the piece of equipment that necessarily ties it to a slower moving squad. Have you not repped a Minnie heavy, that suit shifts with the right mods and is just as deadly. GÇ£Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.GÇ¥ GÇò Frank Zappa

Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 90	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:02:00 - [21] - Quote Damn it, I just got Amarr logi for the uplinks, and now you're all making me want to go Winmatar... cries
Rusty Shallows 1348	Posted - 2014.04.01 06:38:00 - [22] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Damn it, I just got Amarr logi for the uplinks, and now you're all making me want to go Winmatar... cries In harsh competitive play all big kids want uplinks with no wait. You made the right choice. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 872	Posted - 2014.04.01 07:47:00 - [23] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Most of the Logis I encounter are still brick tanked assaults...not that I have a problem with that but fi CCP planned to change these assault logis with 1.8 they failed... First equipping damage mods was a nono. Then equipping shield extenders and armor plates is a nono too. God what do we have to do? Run around with low HP and get busted by a mass driver spammer in one shot so you can complain we don't repair or resupply you?
Cee Zet Phantom Universe Task Force Die Fremdenlegion 3	Posted - 2014.04.01 09:15:00 - [24] - Quote I play an Amarr- Logi. I like To be part oft a environment using tactic support. Before 1.8 i play a min logi and loved bis flexibility but geht also lost, in all the choices :). Now i enjoy my bigger health, sec. Weapon and that i can survive a 1vs1. With up links i Make about 700 to 1500p each full match. Only in cqc it would be hard, but i think its training. Send via mobile... Greets cee zet


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