DUST Search - Remove vehicles from ambush and have vehicle deployment cost wp?

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

I sort to want to avoid the whole 'kill streak' feel that CoD has established though, maybe for arenas but for war modes I think a better option is timers like a fueled bandwidth. Too many vehicles on the field? OB from barge takes longer to charge. ect ect.

More you deploy the slower the bandwidth grows to allow other types of support like orbital structures, drone deploys and the like.

I'm somewhat confused as to what you're proposing here. Is this a suggestion that having more vehicles on the field increases the WP necessary to achieve orbital strikes?

Team wide resource call bandwidth is established.

Starts out at zero because all the folks spawning in consumes all of it.

As the team fights on bandwidth grows.

If the team call in vehicles or other permanents they consume not only bandwidth but bandwidth regeneration rate.
Additional mechanics can be implemented such as breaking other vehicles, capturing comm towers and objectives could increase max bandwidth, or bandwidth regeneration, or reduce the effect of permanents consuming bandwidth.

Temporary bandwidth consumers can be used without penalty provided there is enough to use it such as sensor sweeps, orbital strikes and orbital spawns.

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da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 613	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:52:00 - [1] - Quote As the title says, so right now I really don't see many going AV even with the warpoint reward from doing damage to vehicles and ambush limiting two vehicles for both teams. I was in an ambush not too long ago where there was a tank and a dropship wreaking havoc on my team. We lost and it wasn't cuz of the enemy team, it was mostly because there were three guys on my team including me that had AV gear and were focused on the vehicles. We didn't take the dropship and the tank down, and any time the dropship shields were down it flew away and came back less than a minute later. Basically while the two things that CCP brought with 1.8 were alright hut not enough to really get many people to get a whole squad to go AV. Maybe it's just been me though not seeing much AV in these battles? Also during the presentation of Dust in 2009 CCP did say that calling in vehicles costed WP, it doesn't sound that bad to me. Sure vehicle only users are gonna be mad that they have to get WP to call in vehicles but doing some work on their feet isn't that hard. Or maybe the first vehicle that someone calls in doesn't cost any WP but after that the person or squad is going are going to need plenty of WP to have authorization to call in each vehicle? Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4953	Posted - 2014.03.29 21:58:00 - [2] - Quote da GAND wrote: As the title says, so right now I really don't see many going AV even with the warpoint reward from doing damage to vehicles and ambush limiting two vehicles for both teams. I was in an ambush not too long ago where there was a tank and a dropship wreaking havoc on my team. We lost and it wasn't cuz of the enemy team, it was mostly because there were three guys on my team including me that had AV gear and were focused on the vehicles. We didn't take the dropship and the tank down, and any time the dropship shields were down it flew away and came back less than a minute later. Basically while the two things that CCP brought with 1.8 were alright hut not enough to really get many people to get a whole squad to go AV. Maybe it's just been me though not seeing much AV in these battles? Also during the presentation of Dust in 2009 CCP did say that calling in vehicles costed WP, it doesn't sound that bad to me. Sure vehicle only users are gonna be mad that they have to get WP to call in vehicles but doing some work on their feet isn't that hard. Or maybe the first vehicle that someone calls in doesn't cost any WP but after that the person or squad is going are going to need plenty of WP to have authorization to call in each vehicle? Or you could just play Battlefield. As an example, a member of our Corporation has every last skillpoint he has ever earned in the game in Assault Dropships. He is a specialist, as this game encourages people to be, and enjoys a fairly good level of performance from his chosen vehicle as a result. Now you're saying he should be forced to take Starter Fits into fights with people who specialized into infantry just to be able to use the vehicle he put all that work into? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6260	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:01:00 - [3] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Or you could just play Battlefield. As an example, a member of our Corporation has every last skillpoint he has ever earned in the game in Assault Dropships. He is a specialist, as this game encourages people to be, and enjoys a fairly good level of performance from his chosen vehicle as a result. Now you're saying he should be forced to take Starter Fits into fights with people who specialized into infantry just to be able to use the vehicle he put all that work into? ^ Along with that, it would discourage people from skilling into vehicles, and cause the role to stagnate. What if I forced you to use a Dropship until you made enough WP, then play as an Infantry unit? Wouldn't be so fun now would it? The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 536	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:01:00 - [4] - Quote Come on dude. Are you even proto FG? I could solo two vehicles with that thing if my team isn't ****. B.D. Wong AKA Dr. Wu returns to Jurassic Park sequel
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2621	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:24:00 - [5] - Quote Even i think its balanced at the moment. I can ruin a tankers day in ambush when i use a cloaked scout with swarms on it. Did you even tried to AV or are you just surrendering and get killed over and over? I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 1043	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:35:00 - [6] - Quote This is for you. CCP Saberwing "Vehicles have taken a step in the right direction"
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1433	Posted - 2014.03.29 22:36:00 - [7] - Quote Hell no! "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 362	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:25:00 - [8] - Quote Bad idea .........very bad idea .. Things are better for ambush now ..... Or will be once AV gets it's bugs fixed . Vehicle users have just as right to play their roles as Infantry does . And I say this as a dedicated vehicle hunter . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4959	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:37:00 - [9] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Bad idea .........very bad idea .. Things are better for ambush now ..... Or will be once AV gets it's bugs fixed . Vehicle users have just as right to play their roles as Infantry does . And I say this as a dedicated vehicle hunter . Yeah, no one's arguing that AV is buggy. Swarms do far lower damage than they should, and the thing with skills not applying after you spawn was making Forge Guns unable to fire. OP needs to chill. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13960	Posted - 2014.03.29 23:39:00 - [10] - Quote I sort to want to avoid the whole 'kill streak' feel that CoD has established though, maybe for arenas but for war modes I think a better option is timers like a fueled bandwidth. Too many vehicles on the field? OB from barge takes longer to charge. ect ect. More you deploy the slower the bandwidth grows to allow other types of support like orbital structures, drone deploys and the like. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4959	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:07:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I sort to want to avoid the whole 'kill streak' feel that CoD has established though, maybe for arenas but for war modes I think a better option is timers like a fueled bandwidth. Too many vehicles on the field? OB from barge takes longer to charge. ect ect. More you deploy the slower the bandwidth grows to allow other types of support like orbital structures, drone deploys and the like. I'm somewhat confused as to what you're proposing here. Is this a suggestion that having more vehicles on the field increases the WP necessary to achieve orbital strikes? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 615	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:35:00 - [12] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Even i think its balanced at the moment. I can ruin a tankers day in ambush when i use a cloaked scout with swarms on it. Did you even tried to AV or are you just surrendering and get killed over and over? Only died 4 times and yes I tried using AV, was using swarms since forge guns don't seem to work. Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13980	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:43:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I sort to want to avoid the whole 'kill streak' feel that CoD has established though, maybe for arenas but for war modes I think a better option is timers like a fueled bandwidth. Too many vehicles on the field? OB from barge takes longer to charge. ect ect. More you deploy the slower the bandwidth grows to allow other types of support like orbital structures, drone deploys and the like. I'm somewhat confused as to what you're proposing here. Is this a suggestion that having more vehicles on the field increases the WP necessary to achieve orbital strikes? Team wide resource call bandwidth is established. Starts out at zero because all the folks spawning in consumes all of it. As the team fights on bandwidth grows. If the team call in vehicles or other permanents they consume not only bandwidth but bandwidth regeneration rate. Additional mechanics can be implemented such as breaking other vehicles, capturing comm towers and objectives could increase max bandwidth, or bandwidth regeneration, or reduce the effect of permanents consuming bandwidth. Temporary bandwidth consumers can be used without penalty provided there is enough to use it such as sensor sweeps, orbital strikes and orbital spawns. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 107	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:45:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I sort to want to avoid the whole 'kill streak' feel that CoD has established though, maybe for arenas but for war modes I think a better option is timers like a fueled bandwidth. Too many vehicles on the field? OB from barge takes longer to charge. ect ect. More you deploy the slower the bandwidth grows to allow other types of support like orbital structures, drone deploys and the like. AppyPollyLoggy for an off-topic, but am I seeing a confirmation of OMS making a comeback??!? 8D Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 4961	Posted - 2014.03.30 01:08:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I sort to want to avoid the whole 'kill streak' feel that CoD has established though, maybe for arenas but for war modes I think a better option is timers like a fueled bandwidth. Too many vehicles on the field? OB from barge takes longer to charge. ect ect. More you deploy the slower the bandwidth grows to allow other types of support like orbital structures, drone deploys and the like. I'm somewhat confused as to what you're proposing here. Is this a suggestion that having more vehicles on the field increases the WP necessary to achieve orbital strikes? Team wide resource call bandwidth is established. Starts out at zero because all the folks spawning in consumes all of it. As the team fights on bandwidth grows. If the team call in vehicles or other permanents they consume not only bandwidth but bandwidth regeneration rate. Additional mechanics can be implemented such as breaking other vehicles, capturing comm towers and objectives could increase max bandwidth, or bandwidth regeneration, or reduce the effect of permanents consuming bandwidth. Temporary bandwidth consumers can be used without penalty provided there is enough to use it such as sensor sweeps, orbital strikes and orbital spawns. That's actually a really neat idea. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5405	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:04:00 - [16] - Quote I'm really liking IWS's idea. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13996	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:05:00 - [17] - Quote If you like it make another thread about it then. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Skihids Bullet Cluster 3209	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:19:00 - [18] - Quote Artificial limits on vehicles is a tacit admission that they are too good at too many things. They need to be given unique mision profiles that make players consider the need for them before deploying. If they aren't universal tools then there will be a natural limit. So if dropships were really effective at troop deployment but not at shooting infantry solo, then you would never see four of them on the field because there would be no payload for them all.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 615	Posted - 2014.03.30 02:49:00 - [19] - Quote Skihids wrote: Artificial limits on vehicles is a tacit admission that they are too good at too many things. They need to be given unique mision profiles that make players consider the need for them before deploying. If they aren't universal tools then there will be a natural limit. So if dropships were really effective at troop deployment but not at shooting infantry solo, then you would never see four of them on the field because there would be no payload for them all. Not saying that they are good at everything but if vehicles get cloaking then things are gonna get worse. Don't nerf heavies, instead do This


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