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Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 854	Posted - 2014.03.29 19:53:00 - [1] - Quote How far does it go? I understand the reason behind it but I am curious to know how far it goes. For example, it would obviously be breaking the NDA to say something like "CCP is thinking about doing X with Potatoes" but would it be too far to say "CCP is in discussion with what do with Potatoes"? I have heard some pretty damn nasty NDA's before; like even talking to others that are a part of the team about "the project" on off hours counts as breaking the NDA or even saying "I can't talk about it" is in violation. I am sure it is aggravating being representatives of the community, seeing everyone being upset over "potatoes", and not being able to comfort the masses by mentioning "potatoes." "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1188	Posted - 2014.03.29 20:00:00 - [2] - Quote The NDA says they can't say what is in the NDA, derp.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 964	Posted - 2014.03.29 20:00:00 - [3] - Quote As much as I wish CCP and the CPM would tell us more, I believe that they are going as far as CCP will allow. I don't need luck, I have a cloak. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 857	Posted - 2014.03.29 20:03:00 - [4] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: As much as I wish CCP and the CPM would tell us more, I believe that they are going as far as CCP will allow. I don't doubt that at all. I would certainly be pushing it as far as I legally could. I am just curious about that bit of sacred document itself. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:27:00 - [5] - Quote The NDA is a very generic boilerplate legal document that basically has a few paragraphs of legalese that roughly say "I promise not to share CCP's business information or trade secrets for a period of 5 years after obtaining such things". There's nothing explicit mentioned, and that's by design. CCP can declare whatever they want business information, and we just don't talk about it. This is a common misconception, lots of folks think that there's all these rules binding up the CPM and keeping them from doing their job, and it couldn't be further from the truth. It's really quite simple - CCP asks us not to talk about work in progress, we refuse to talk about work in progress. It doesn't hinder the CPM one bit - because its not the CPM's job to report information about what's going on inside CCP anyways. It's ultimately CCP's responsibility to share with the community what they're working on, and if they fail it is NOT the CPM's job to share that information in their place. If you're hitting a CPM up for this information you're doing it wrong. The CPM exists to bring feedback from the community to CCP, not the other way around, and this is precisely why the NDA is mostly a non-issue during our term. In times of silence (like right now) the reason you don't know what's going on is because CCP's not telling you, not because the CPM should be and we just can't because of the NDA. I hope that makes sense. As for the potato analogy, if CCP says "we aren't ready to share that we're figuring out a new way to cook potatoes", than we just don't talk about it. We don't say "CCP's working on a new way to cook potatoes, but we can't share details" because they asked us not to bring potatoes up at all. The NDA really isn't waved around constantly, almost all of this is just practiced out of professional courtesy.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1649	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:38:00 - [6] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I am sure it is aggravating being representatives of the community, seeing everyone being upset over "potatoes", and not being able to comfort the masses by mentioning "potatoes." And yes, its EXTREMELY aggravating, but its also one of the job responsibilities we willingly accepted when we took the job. It's not a flaw in the system, just one of the many unpleasant aspects of the work that candidates should consider before they run. CPM's rarely get to be heroes. No one should be interested in the position so they can be part of "comforting the masses". CCP pays community team members to perform that job. The CPM's role is not to take messaging from CCP to the community, its to take a message from the community to CCP.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1730	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:42:00 - [7] - Quote The first rule of the NDA isGÇª you don't talk about the NDA. And the second rule isGÇª Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 976	Posted - 2014.04.03 11:33:00 - [8] - Quote Thanks for the reply Heinrich. I wasn't trying to put it as a "The NDA is bad because it stops the CPM" bit of thing; it was generally just "how insane is it?" There is a comic online called "The Trenches" that also has "Tales from the Trenches" where reeal people in Quality Assurance (which I know the CPM doesn't do; you are liaisons) or from other aspects of making games leave their stories. The NDA is one that is brought up often as it resulted in a couple stories of people being fired for talking about the product at lunch because they were so short on time they couldn't NOT talk work at lunch or to the point that the NDA basically had people telling their friends they were janitors because it had stipulations "similar to what you would expect James Bond to follow." I just remember seeing some posts from a CPM/CSM member about how there were discussions about Assault layout or whatever or, like with the Skill Respec thing, that the "CPM was pushing for it." (Not complaining, just using it as an example). Was just real curious where those kind of statements fell. I'll go off topic a little bit because OP is me: Please bring the SP Rollover up as "the community is really interested in this." :) "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1904	Posted - 2014.04.03 12:05:00 - [9] - Quote I've signed a few NDA's in my time. Here is a copy, with the company I signed it for removed, of what pretty much every single one looks like https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B1lzJQo3-m12QGoYExLl9atVute8IrBg6PqO8XHz9Q8/edit?usp=sharing Sorry for not formatting it, copy-pasted from a PDF Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia


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