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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:54:00 -
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Min heavies, pretty much suck.
And I really want to cloak with an HMG.
Take away a low slot, add equipment.
Make me happy CCP.  |
PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Reapers' Assailant
1026
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:57:00 -
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I want duct tape in my equipment slot.
I am the shadow, and the ghost in your eyes, I am the scout, that hunts in the night
-Shadow Scout
Sits on Perch
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Louis Domi
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
148
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:59:00 -
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My god.... That will destroy everything in its path.... Or maybe it will fail idk |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
5465
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:59:00 -
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that would be interesting, but broken.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
3885
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:00:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Min heavies, pretty much suck. And I really want to cloak with an HMG. Take away a low slot, add equipment. Make me happy CCP.
Cloaked Heavies with HMG's?
Please don't.
Lets think of some other way to buff the Min Heavy
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:02:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Min heavies, pretty much suck. And I really want to cloak with an HMG. Take away a low slot, add equipment. Make me happy CCP. Cloaked Heavies with HMG's? Please don't. Lets think of some other way to buff the Min Heavy
Consider the PG/CPU cost a heavy goes through, and how much the Cloak costs.
Though, honestly, a min could run around with just a proto hmg and cloak and ppl would probably call it broken. :D |
Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4190
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:02:00 -
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As hilarious as that would be...
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10172
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:02:00 -
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Tried the militia one with a complex kinkat, an advanced HMG, and it feels just as fast as a medium frame, but has more HP, and an HMG. I think you underestimate the usefulness of mobility.
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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Jakar Umbra
Altyr Initiative
564
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:04:00 -
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This rock I live under has to be absolutely massive or I'm using the Min Sentinel wrong. Can someone please explain to me what the problem with the Min Sentinel/Heavy Frame is?
Author of Umbra's Short Stories
Boundless Creations Shareholder.
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:05:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Tried the militia one with a complex kinkat, an advanced HMG, and it feels just as fast as a medium frame, but has more HP, and an HMG. I think you underestimate the usefulness of mobility.
Mobility is great, but it's not enough to give the Min heavy the edge versus other heavies, which is our current primary role in PC. And as a point defense suit, other suits do it better. Min heavy is the easiest to solo heavy suit. And so damn noticeable. Lol
Take out 1 high and 1 low then, make it a commando suit wanna be with an HMG. Just give me a cloaked HMG so you *** scouts can feel my pain and laughs. Lol |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4190
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:06:00 -
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Jakar Umbra wrote:This rock I live under has to be absolutely massive or I'm using the Min Sentinel wrong. Can someone please explain to me what the problem with the Min Sentinel/Heavy Frame is?
It has the same problem that every other minmatar suit has. Low HP and terrible regen for speed. If the low HP was offset by an extremely fast regen then the HP for speed trade off would be worth it. They're meant to be hit and run suits but all they're good for is showing up fast to die.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5400
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:07:00 -
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What the ever loving ****
1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole -Title Awarded by True Adamance
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
513
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:08:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Jakar Umbra wrote:This rock I live under has to be absolutely massive or I'm using the Min Sentinel wrong. Can someone please explain to me what the problem with the Min Sentinel/Heavy Frame is? It has the same problem that every other minmatar suit has. Low HP and terrible regen for speed. If the low HP was offset by an extremely fast regen then the HP for speed trade off would be worth it. They're meant to be hit and run suits but all they're good for is showing up fast to die.
I think the honest fix to Minmatar is a suit redesign. It's a fat **** who runs the fastest? Lol Lower it's fat level, and it's hit box just a bit.
That would help off-set it's low HP without having to significantly change any real stats. |
Jaster J
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
3
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:08:00 -
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Id...id actually love to see this. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4193
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:10:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Jakar Umbra wrote:This rock I live under has to be absolutely massive or I'm using the Min Sentinel wrong. Can someone please explain to me what the problem with the Min Sentinel/Heavy Frame is? It has the same problem that every other minmatar suit has. Low HP and terrible regen for speed. If the low HP was offset by an extremely fast regen then the HP for speed trade off would be worth it. They're meant to be hit and run suits but all they're good for is showing up fast to die. I think the honest fix to Minmatar is a suit redesign. It's a fat **** who runs the fastest? Lol Lower it's fat level, and it's hit box just a bit. That would help off-set it's low HP without having to significantly change any real stats.
I don't understand why it looks 2 times fatter than it's concept art. It's like it's inflated. That's a good point though. Minmatar assault has the problem of the backpack pretty much ruining any chance at running away.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5251
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:12:00 -
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No! Not a Low! I need to Speed tank!
;_;
Remove sidearm, add Equip. Heuheuheu
fuckign casuls
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4193
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:17:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:No! Not a Low! I need to Speed tank!
;_;
Remove sidearm, add Equip. Heuheuheu
yessss. Must have dual kincats.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1372
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:19:00 -
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If the Minmatar heavy had more module slots it would be fine. Even with an extra high and low it would still be sub-par on HP, but it would be much more versatile. You could tank enough HP to potentially help it stand up to other heavies, or it could tank damps or speed or scans. It would actually be the super versatile heavy it should be. Minmatar is supposed to be super versatile but be difficult to fit. Currently only the scout & logi "kind of" fits the versatile framework that the Minmatar are supposed to follow.
Thus, I call for a 1 slot increase to all Minnie-suits other than the scout & logi and a 25 CPU & 3 PG bump. 1 low on assault, 1 high on Commando, 1 low on heavy =P
MAG ~ Raven
I GÖú puppies.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10172
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:34:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Tried the militia one with a complex kinkat, an advanced HMG, and it feels just as fast as a medium frame, but has more HP, and an HMG. I think you underestimate the usefulness of mobility. Mobility is great, but it's not enough to give the Min heavy the edge versus other heavies, which is our current primary role in PC. And as a point defense suit, other suits do it better. Min heavy is the easiest to solo heavy suit. And so damn noticeable. Lol Take out 1 high and 1 low then, make it a commando suit wanna be with an HMG. Just give me a cloaked HMG so you *** scouts can feel my pain and laughs. Lol
Don't treat it like a point defense suit like other heavies, treat it more like you would an assault. Don't try to be a brawler, try hit-and-run tactics.
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1887
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:41:00 -
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No.
Make it faster than the Amarr Assault instead.
Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!!
Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
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Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
356
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:54:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Min heavies, pretty much suck. And I really want to cloak with an HMG. Take away a low slot, add equipment. Make me happy CCP. Cloaked Heavies with HMG's? Please don't. Lets think of some other way to buff the Min Heavy Consider the PG/CPU cost a heavy goes through, and how much the Cloak costs. Though, honestly, a min could run around with just a proto hmg and cloak and ppl would probably call it broken. :D
Not as much as you'd think....pretty much everyone can pick up heavies on passive scans
Real heavies use lasers
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
1102
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:56:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:I want duct tape in my equipment slot.
Remotes come with that now.
Assassination is my thing.
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
517
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:57:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Tried the militia one with a complex kinkat, an advanced HMG, and it feels just as fast as a medium frame, but has more HP, and an HMG. I think you underestimate the usefulness of mobility. Mobility is great, but it's not enough to give the Min heavy the edge versus other heavies, which is our current primary role in PC. And as a point defense suit, other suits do it better. Min heavy is the easiest to solo heavy suit. And so damn noticeable. Lol Take out 1 high and 1 low then, make it a commando suit wanna be with an HMG. Just give me a cloaked HMG so you *** scouts can feel my pain and laughs. Lol Don't treat it like a point defense suit like other heavies, treat it more like you would an assault. Don't try to be a brawler, try hit-and-run tactics. I think this heavy doesn't suit your playstyle.
problem is, it doesn't accell at the style you think it should be playing as. CCP has not balanced this game well enough that any heavy suit has yet to reach beyond the roles we had with just one suit choice. We're still all point defenders because that is the only role we can one up everyone else in. The Mins speed isn't going to make it anymore viable from getting to point A to point B because his weapon/hitbox/juke'when'hit'mechanic still makes him fodder at range, and staying in CQC means the more HP Heavies will likely show you how much they care you walk a half a split second faster then them.
Min Heavy has no real place, and if you want a fast and strong heavy, Gal does it better with 4 lows. |
Toby Flenderson
research lab
417
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:04:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Min heavies, pretty much suck. And I really want to cloak with an HMG. Take away a low slot, add equipment. Make me happy CCP. Cloaked Heavies with HMG's? Please don't. Lets think of some other way to buff the Min Heavy
I had success with the MLT minmatar heavy and MLT HMG so far. Is the general consensus that it's the worst heavy? If anything I could go for a little faster sprint speed but I feel like it could be fine as is |
waistr
DEAD-MEN-WALKING
132
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:23:00 -
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Hey!!
Im a minmatar heavy!
and Ill tell you this my good man.
I may blow...
but I definatly do not suck |
thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
242
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:34:00 -
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Maybe all commandos should have 2 equipment slots?
The next build better be good. CCP don't mess up.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
7835
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:36:00 -
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Put a complex kin cat on.
Laugh your way to the top of the scoreboard.
My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone.
If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
401
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:36:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Min heavies, pretty much suck. And I really want to cloak with an HMG. Take away a low slot, add equipment. Make me happy CCP.
i could be okay with cloaked heavies with forge guns.. seriously. would allow for sneaky anti tanking. would also **** me off beyond belief trying to shoot an invisible forge gunner :D the game is already annoying, why not give me a brain tumor :D
Just read the damn thread
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
1151
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:46:00 -
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Jakar Umbra wrote:This rock I live under has to be absolutely massive or I'm using the Min Sentinel wrong. Can someone please explain to me what the problem with the Min Sentinel/Heavy Frame is?
Their isn't one, except that some people think their suits should be able to be every thing and beat everyone at the same time. The OP want to be as fast as an assault with a HMG and still be able to duke it out with tanked Amarr and Galente sentinels. Just ignore the greedy children.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3719
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:47:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Min heavies, pretty much suck. And I really want to cloak with an HMG. Take away a low slot, add equipment. Make me happy CCP.
You want to lose a low slot?
*facepalm*
No.
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