DUST Search - negative SP

Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Paran Tadec wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

CCP Logibro wrote:

As the others have said, this is due to the Amarr Scout Skill multiplier being corrected. You'll earn SP as normal, but you won't be able to spend any till you get back to a positive number.

This is of some concern to me, and I will sound petty, but it primarily would have been a discerning factor in my choice of post 1.8 skills.

In skilling I went into Amarr Scout Ak.0 without question assuming that all of my SP was spent into the suit......had almost another 1/3 additional SP been shown to be consumed I do not think I would have skilled into Amarr Scout so hastily.

You can tell me to HTFU I can accept that...... but in some ways I feel cheated yet again and would sincerely like another crack at SP allocation regarding Dropsuit Command.

Kidding right?

Nope honestly how I feel about the matter.

I by my very nature am not a complex numbers person. I cannot run the level of internal calculations that many other do.
As such it simply did not occur to me at the time that any of the total SP values I was spending to skill into the suit were below the other racial suit values.

Perhaps unlike others who are numerically gifted and I am so very jealous, I might have noticed the SP values, made necessary calculations and worked through the SP totals.

I am not demanding anything. I am resolved with my dumbass decision.....but I wish I had known before I skilled into it that more SP than I had intended to skill would be after the fact removed from my character.....for something I thought I was buying..... kind of feels like the Amarr FW combat pack.

Blurb mentioned Gold suits but I never received any....nor did other spenders..... and the Gold was after the fact removed from the products description.

And additional 700+ SP has been removed from my character, I just checked.....not cool, really not cool. Please give me the option to reallocate that.....in all honesty I might even go back into scouts...... I just want the decision to do so to be informed.

You can always petition CCP

"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"

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jinn ko82 Deep Space Dangerous Logistics 6	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:53:00 - [1] - Quote after the patch today i logged in and found that i have -234k SP but last night i had 5k. wtf?
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 73	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:55:00 - [2] - Quote amarr scout? Blood flows. Death comes. War rages Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you RedLineLove
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 842	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:58:00 - [3] - Quote CCP corrected the skill multiplier for the amarr scout skill it was a 4x but should be a 8x. So i you have put points into that skill you now have paid the correct amount of SP to get there...
Pete B Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 131	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:59:00 - [4] - Quote Have fun not skilling into anything for a few weeks
jerrmy12 kahoalii 725	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:04:00 - [5] - Quote jinn ko82 wrote: after the patch today i logged in and found that i have -234k SP but last night i had 5k. wtf? 5k? 500k or 50k or..... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 6468	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:05:00 - [6] - Quote As the others have said, this is due to the Amarr Scout Skill multiplier being corrected. You'll earn SP as normal, but you won't be able to spend any till you get back to a positive number. CCP Logibro // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics (a¦á_a¦á)

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 804	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:05:00 - [7] - Quote HOLY HELL! I thought for sure they would just refund the skill and make you do it again. Kinda sucks for the people that were only paying attention to the amount of SP they would have left and didn't want to go Prototype. Jeez... "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
jinn ko82 Deep Space Dangerous Logistics 6	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:07:00 - [8] - Quote wow thanks CCP! ******* little bitches could not of just givin the sp back....
jinn ko82 Deep Space Dangerous Logistics 6	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:10:00 - [9] - Quote also forgot this, thanks for letting us keep the ak.0 and ck.0 scout suits even though we have negative skill points now!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8970	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:14:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: As the others have said, this is due to the Amarr Scout Skill multiplier being corrected. You'll earn SP as normal, but you won't be able to spend any till you get back to a positive number. This is of some concern to me, and I will sound petty, but it primarily would have been a discerning factor in my choice of post 1.8 skills. In skilling I went into Amarr Scout Ak.0 without question assuming that all of my SP was spent into the suit......had almost another 1/3 additional SP been shown to be consumed I do not think I would have skilled into Amarr Scout so hastily. You can tell me to HTFU I can accept that...... but in some ways I feel cheated yet again and would sincerely like another crack at SP allocation regarding Dropsuit Command. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8970	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:16:00 - [11] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: HOLY HELL! I thought for sure they would just refund the skill and make you do it again. Kinda sucks for the people that were only paying attention to the amount of SP they would have left and didn't want to go Prototype. Jeez... Yup another slap in the face in a long line of them......This will affect many more people than just me..... I kind of hope we do get another crack at it..... I certainly know that if more SP have been shown in the skill costings......I probably wouldn't have specced right into it. Didn't even occur to me that CCP had mixed up the x4 and 8x modifiers..... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4057	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:17:00 - [12] - Quote As long as eh didn't take any of my unallocated 1.2 mil sp, I'm fine. I went level 5 ck.o scout so I should be fine.... But just want to make sure Fare well my commando's fist of god o7 Patron saint of commandos Ck.0-scout, commando // ak.0- logi (commando soonTM)
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2069	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:19:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: As the others have said, this is due to the Amarr Scout Skill multiplier being corrected. You'll earn SP as normal, but you won't be able to spend any till you get back to a positive number. This is of some concern to me, and I will sound petty, but it primarily would have been a discerning factor in my choice of post 1.8 skills. In skilling I went into Amarr Scout Ak.0 without question assuming that all of my SP was spent into the suit......had almost another 1/3 additional SP been shown to be consumed I do not think I would have skilled into Amarr Scout so hastily. You can tell me to HTFU I can accept that...... but in some ways I feel cheated yet again and would sincerely like another crack at SP allocation regarding Dropsuit Command. Kidding right? Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
jinn ko82 Deep Space Dangerous Logistics 6	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:20:00 - [14] - Quote lol and ccp removed my post about them being petty "female dogs"
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 61	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:21:00 - [15] - Quote Serves y'all right for dumping your SP into something that was clearly incorrect. CCP are kind enough to let you keep your scout suits and bonuses but you have to accrue the difference between where you were and where you are now, I see no issue here. I can haz all your Officer Heavy weapons?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8974	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:24:00 - [16] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: True Adamance wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: As the others have said, this is due to the Amarr Scout Skill multiplier being corrected. You'll earn SP as normal, but you won't be able to spend any till you get back to a positive number. This is of some concern to me, and I will sound petty, but it primarily would have been a discerning factor in my choice of post 1.8 skills. In skilling I went into Amarr Scout Ak.0 without question assuming that all of my SP was spent into the suit......had almost another 1/3 additional SP been shown to be consumed I do not think I would have skilled into Amarr Scout so hastily. You can tell me to HTFU I can accept that...... but in some ways I feel cheated yet again and would sincerely like another crack at SP allocation regarding Dropsuit Command. Kidding right? Nope honestly how I feel about the matter. I by my very nature am not a complex numbers person. I cannot run the level of internal calculations that many other do. As such it simply did not occur to me at the time that any of the total SP values I was spending to skill into the suit were below the other racial suit values. Perhaps unlike others who are numerically gifted and I am so very jealous, I might have noticed the SP values, made necessary calculations and worked through the SP totals. I am not demanding anything. I am resolved with my dumbass decision.....but I wish I had known before I skilled into it that more SP than I had intended to skill would be after the fact removed from my character.....for something I thought I was buying..... kind of feels like the Amarr FW combat pack. Blurb mentioned Gold suits but I never received any....nor did other spenders..... and the Gold was after the fact removed from the products description. And additional 700+ SP has been removed from my character, I just checked.....not cool, really not cool. Please give me the option to reallocate that.....in all honesty I might even go back into scouts...... I just want the decision to do so to be informed. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 659	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:26:00 - [17] - Quote jinn ko82 wrote: lol and ccp removed my post about them being petty "female dogs" Why wouldn't they? You're the one that is passing for petty, if anything. You're still gonna complain after acknowledging that what happened was just the rectification of an error? You now have the amount of SP that you are supposed to have. I don't see anything but fairness and justice here. em ta kool t'nod
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 269	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:27:00 - [18] - Quote What about those with the ck.0 scout? Would we still be "positive"? shudder >CCP Saberwing: "NERF EVERYTHING!!!" *THE-TITANS* Director
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 769	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:30:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: True Adamance wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: As the others have said, this is due to the Amarr Scout Skill multiplier being corrected. You'll earn SP as normal, but you won't be able to spend any till you get back to a positive number. This is of some concern to me, and I will sound petty, but it primarily would have been a discerning factor in my choice of post 1.8 skills. In skilling I went into Amarr Scout Ak.0 without question assuming that all of my SP was spent into the suit......had almost another 1/3 additional SP been shown to be consumed I do not think I would have skilled into Amarr Scout so hastily. You can tell me to HTFU I can accept that...... but in some ways I feel cheated yet again and would sincerely like another crack at SP allocation regarding Dropsuit Command. Kidding right? Nope honestly how I feel about the matter. I by my very nature am not a complex numbers person. I cannot run the level of internal calculations that many other do. As such it simply did not occur to me at the time that any of the total SP values I was spending to skill into the suit were below the other racial suit values. Perhaps unlike others who are numerically gifted and I am so very jealous, I might have noticed the SP values, made necessary calculations and worked through the SP totals. I am not demanding anything. I am resolved with my dumbass decision.....but I wish I had known before I skilled into it that more SP than I had intended to skill would be after the fact removed from my character.....for something I thought I was buying..... kind of feels like the Amarr FW combat pack. Blurb mentioned Gold suits but I never received any....nor did other spenders..... and the Gold was after the fact removed from the products description. And additional 700+ SP has been removed from my character, I just checked.....not cool, really not cool. Please give me the option to reallocate that.....in all honesty I might even go back into scouts...... I just want the decision to do so to be informed. You can always petition CCP TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY. - Blaine the Mono
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2405	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:35:00 - [20] - Quote Guys. See it as a loan. We got 1.2M extra SP early, and now we are paying our debt. I'm much happier with this situation than the alternative... losing the suit skills and having to grind to get them. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8976	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:40:00 - [21] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: True Adamance wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: True Adamance wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: As the others have said, this is due to the Amarr Scout Skill multiplier being corrected. You'll earn SP as normal, but you won't be able to spend any till you get back to a positive number. This is of some concern to me, and I will sound petty, but it primarily would have been a discerning factor in my choice of post 1.8 skills. In skilling I went into Amarr Scout Ak.0 without question assuming that all of my SP was spent into the suit......had almost another 1/3 additional SP been shown to be consumed I do not think I would have skilled into Amarr Scout so hastily. You can tell me to HTFU I can accept that...... but in some ways I feel cheated yet again and would sincerely like another crack at SP allocation regarding Dropsuit Command. Kidding right? Nope honestly how I feel about the matter. I by my very nature am not a complex numbers person. I cannot run the level of internal calculations that many other do. As such it simply did not occur to me at the time that any of the total SP values I was spending to skill into the suit were below the other racial suit values. Perhaps unlike others who are numerically gifted and I am so very jealous, I might have noticed the SP values, made necessary calculations and worked through the SP totals. I am not demanding anything. I am resolved with my dumbass decision.....but I wish I had known before I skilled into it that more SP than I had intended to skill would be after the fact removed from my character.....for something I thought I was buying..... kind of feels like the Amarr FW combat pack. Blurb mentioned Gold suits but I never received any....nor did other spenders..... and the Gold was after the fact removed from the products description. And additional 700+ SP has been removed from my character, I just checked.....not cool, really not cool. Please give me the option to reallocate that.....in all honesty I might even go back into scouts...... I just want the decision to do so to be informed. You can always petition CCP I have done so. Regardless of how numerically incompetent I am I was working off of the premise that I had about 8.5 Million SP after the intial reallocation and that of that I would leave 5 Million aside for racial Amarr HAV on their release, of that remaining 5 Million I spent a futher 700K into commando suits leaving me with about 4.3 and I am now down to 3.4 Million.....which is more like 900K more than I was aware I was spending. That's not making an informed decision. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 660	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:43:00 - [22] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Guys. See it as a loan. We got 1.2M extra SP early, and now we are paying our debt. I'm much happier with this situation than the alternative... losing the suit skills and having to grind to get them. Exactly. The people that are in the red now wouldn't have the SP to skill in those suits if the multiplier had been correct. Now that the multiplier has been corrected they have access to skills before they have earnt the SP for them. And then they have the ******* nerve of acting outraged by the correction when they have just gained the benefit of skilling into something without the SP for it. Let's imagine another guy with exactly the same conditions these people had. Same SP available, etc. But this guy didn't choose to skill into the scout skills that had the wrong multiplier. He decided to skill into those that had the correct multiplier. This hypothetical guy wasn't able to skill into the same skills these whiners now have. You people with negative SP should be thanking CCP. em ta kool t'nod
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 770	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:01:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I have done so. Regardless of how numerically incompetent I am I was working off of the premise that I had about 8.5 Million SP after the intial reallocation and that of that I would leave 5 Million aside for racial Amarr HAV on their release, of that remaining 5 Million I spent a futher 700K into commando suits leaving me with about 4.3 and I am now down to 3.4 Million.....which is more like 900K more than I was aware I was spending. That's not making an informed decision. Then there should be no problem TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY. - Blaine the Mono
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2770	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:07:00 - [24] - Quote Meh you have not lost any skill points you have just over spent and it was quite an obvouse bug that ccp pointed out right away and said what they would do about it "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4208	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:09:00 - [25] - Quote Brochacho, I have negative one million so don't complain. Then again I've reached endgame so it doesn't bother me. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
jinn ko82 Deep Space Dangerous Logistics 6	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:31:00 - [26] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Guys. See it as a loan. We got 1.2M extra SP early, and now we are paying our debt. I'm much happier with this situation than the alternative... losing the suit skills and having to grind to get them. how the **** is it a loan? all that sp i had was in skills so i EARNED it all
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2512	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:46:00 - [27] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Guys. See it as a loan. We got 1.2M extra SP early, and now we are paying our debt. I'm much happier with this situation than the alternative... losing the suit skills and having to grind to get them. That is a good way to look at it. I'm finally going to be able to get back on tonight and I'm having a tough time figuring out how to spend my 8 mil unallocated now. At least I'll have the right numbers in front of me but it would have been very tempting to grab that one extra proto suit and pay for it later! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2081	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:55:00 - [28] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: HOLY HELL! I thought for sure they would just refund the skill and make you do it again. Kinda sucks for the people that were only paying attention to the amount of SP they would have left and didn't want to go Prototype. Jeez... Look at it like this: You got a free SP loan that no player of any other suit is able to get. You can use proto Amarr Scout suits while other people are still grinding out the SP for their chosen proto suit. CCP's fix isn't a penalty. It's a free loan with few detriments or downsides. (Not nearly as damaging when CCP was bonking people with negative ISK.) I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1492	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:00:00 - [29] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: HOLY HELL! I thought for sure they would just refund the skill and make you do it again. Kinda sucks for the people that were only paying attention to the amount of SP they would have left and didn't want to go Prototype. Jeez... They let you keep a superior skill when you didn't have the SP to have it... They are bankers and gave you a Loan of SP in loo for a skill. You just have to pay that SP back. I know 80% of DUST would take CCP up on SP credit right now if they could... Seems like they where generous instead of fair.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 810	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:01:00 - [30] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: HOLY HELL! I thought for sure they would just refund the skill and make you do it again. Kinda sucks for the people that were only paying attention to the amount of SP they would have left and didn't want to go Prototype. Jeez... Look at it like this: You got a free SP loan that no player of any other suit is able to get. You can use proto Amarr Scout suits while other people are still grinding out the SP for their chosen proto suit. CCP's fix isn't a penalty. It's a free loan with few detriments or downsides. (Not nearly as damaging when CCP was bonking people with negative ISK.) Didn't happen to me, just stating that I thought there was going to be a refund for Amarr light suits. For someone that has lots of millions of SP, the change isn't that huge of a deal because they already have everything they need to use the suit (weaponry, upgrades, etc). But I can imagine people with 5 million SP that weren't paying attention to the level, only the cost and put the points into it. Being negative for two or three weeks would suck massively. I am still surprised they did that. I was honestly expecting a refund for the Amarr skill to avoid the possibility of this happening. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson



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