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Delta 749 wrote:

IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

These people who thought the cloak was scout only make me laugh
I knew the idea of a cloak was a bad design choice from the start for this exact reason

I didn't run the numbers pre 1.8, but when the scout has a bonus to cloak fitting, is it not obvious that you should have to gimp your non-scout fit in order to use one?

If other suits can fit what they want and a cloak, instead of a gimped suit + cloak, what is the point of the scout bonus?

Not sure what you're trying to tell me except that I made you laugh ;-)

Think of it like this, everything shares roughly the same baseline and the bonus just makes things better and not everything starts out gimped and needs the bonus to come up to not sucking
At least thats the idea, talking about how its implemented in practice among all the suits is a whole other beast

Or I guess another way to look at it is that we are supposed to have total freedom in our fittings so limiting things so only one suit can use it goes against that and its not like they are running proto cloaks so thats the sacrifice

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AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 260	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:33:00 - [1] - Quote Umm, I didn't think this was supposed to happen. I was just in a match with a Commando M/1 Series that was running a cloak. I thought I was seeing things, but this actually happened. I thought we had mechanisms to counter this happening. Yesterday I say a gal logi with a cloak too.....It might be fitting intensive, but you can no doubt get around with just a standard cloak and that isn't too bad to be honest. What happened? Error, or are we going to have to bow down to our heavy overlords?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11767	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:33:00 - [2] - Quote Standard cloaks are perfectly fittable on most suits. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 299	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:34:00 - [3] - Quote Lynn Beck said similar in Scouts United yesterday. Said they fitted an ADV Commando with all advanced gear, and a cloak. Shouldn't be possible.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8934	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:38:00 - [4] - Quote Aero made an Ak.0 fit that uses and ADV cloak and ADV weapons.....though that will cost him X million SP in fitting optimization. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4053	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:39:00 - [5] - Quote Can confirm.....I've been running around with one on my c/1 series commando Fare well my commando's fist of god o7 Patron saint of commandos Ck.0-scout, commando // ak.0- logi (commando soonTM)
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves 304	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:44:00 - [6] - Quote AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote: Umm, I didn't think this was supposed to happen. I was just in a match with a Commando M/1 Series that was running a cloak. I thought I was seeing things, but this actually happened. I thought we had mechanisms to counter this happening. Yesterday I say a gal logi with a cloak too.....It might be fitting intensive, but you can no doubt get around with just a standard cloak and that isn't too bad to be honest. What happened? Error, or are we going to have to bow down to our heavy overlords? I do it on Gallente commando. It's crazy fun. The question is not if I can or can not, but who is going to stop me? Closed Beta Vet
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 260	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:28:00 - [7] - Quote SO working as intended CCP?
Halfwayscored Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:33:00 - [8] - Quote As expected, did you think that CCP would actually think to about the most simple bugs. This is why the game is going nowhere every release that's dropped were back in beta
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 254	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:38:00 - [9] - Quote You can fit it on a ADV Commando pretty easily but its gonna cost you some SP to be able to do it
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 254	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:39:00 - [10] - Quote AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote: Umm, I didn't think this was supposed to happen. I was just in a match with a Commando M/1 Series that was running a cloak. I thought I was seeing things, but this actually happened. I thought we had mechanisms to counter this happening. Yesterday I say a gal logi with a cloak too.....It might be fitting intensive, but you can no doubt get around with just a standard cloak and that isn't too bad to be honest. What happened? Error, or are we going to have to bow down to our heavy overlords? I saw a proto gal logi with it the other day...he died

Tectonic Fusion 1325	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:39:00 - [11] - Quote It has it's perks, but it's WAY easier to fit on a scout suit... EDIT: just remember, any scout suit or assault suit with precision enhancers will find you. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 636	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:42:00 - [12] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote: Umm, I didn't think this was supposed to happen. I was just in a match with a Commando M/1 Series that was running a cloak. I thought I was seeing things, but this actually happened. I thought we had mechanisms to counter this happening. Yesterday I say a gal logi with a cloak too.....It might be fitting intensive, but you can no doubt get around with just a standard cloak and that isn't too bad to be honest. What happened? Error, or are we going to have to bow down to our heavy overlords? I saw a proto gal logi with it the other day...he died The other day? You mean yesterday? What other day would it be. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1611	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:56:00 - [13] - Quote Halfwayscored wrote: As expected, did you think that CCP would actually think to about the most simple bugs. This is why the game is going nowhere every release that's dropped were back in beta This isn't a bug ... CCP did state some where that cloaks would have such high fitting requirements that you would have to make serious sacrifices to fit them on to anything other than a scout. If you see a cloaked anything other than a scout you can rest assured that they have sacrificed some serious tank and or firepower . Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2616	Posted - 2014.03.26 23:03:00 - [14] - Quote AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote: Umm, I didn't think this was supposed to happen. I was just in a match with a Commando M/1 Series that was running a cloak. I thought I was seeing things, but this actually happened. I thought we had mechanisms to counter this happening. Yesterday I say a gal logi with a cloak too.....It might be fitting intensive, but you can no doubt get around with just a standard cloak and that isn't too bad to be honest. What happened? Error, or are we going to have to bow down to our heavy overlords? Ran into one last night as well, popped up on my passive radar. Meh, It's not really hiding it's more like someone holding a potted plant in front of them in an open field. KRRROOOOOOM
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 301	Posted - 2014.03.27 07:01:00 - [15] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Halfwayscored wrote: As expected, did you think that CCP would actually think to about the most simple bugs. This is why the game is going nowhere every release that's dropped were back in beta This isn't a bug ... CCP did state some where that cloaks would have such high fitting requirements that you would have to make serious sacrifices to fit them on to anything other than a scout. If you see a cloaked anything other than a scout you can rest assured that they have sacrificed some serious tank and or firepower . ADV commando with all ADV modules and weapons? Sounds like a vanilla fit to me
echo47 Minmatar Republic 252	Posted - 2014.03.27 07:05:00 - [16] - Quote CCP knew this would happen. Read the last paragraph of the Dev blog. Quote: Regardless of the original intent, everything in war ultimately ends up being used to kill, so weGÇÖre nervous and excited about cloaking and look forward to seeing how itGÇÖll be used to shape the battlefields of New Eden. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 931	Posted - 2014.03.27 07:06:00 - [17] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Halfwayscored wrote: As expected, did you think that CCP would actually think to about the most simple bugs. This is why the game is going nowhere every release that's dropped were back in beta This isn't a bug ... CCP did state some where that cloaks would have such high fitting requirements that you would have to make serious sacrifices to fit them on to anything other than a scout. If you see a cloaked anything other than a scout you can rest assured that they have sacrificed some serious tank and or firepower . ADV commando with all ADV modules and weapons? Sounds like a vanilla fit to me Are you really Duncan Idaho? I don't believe it. You can't fool me Hayt, you son of a *****. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
Callidus Vanus Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 252	Posted - 2014.03.27 07:08:00 - [18] - Quote It is possible but just remember that anyone with a scanner or half decent ewar skills will still be able to detect you very easily. You maybe visually invisible but Electronic warfare see's all. Closed beta bunny, Veteran of Caldari Prime.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4625	Posted - 2014.03.27 07:13:00 - [19] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: It has it's perks, but it's WAY easier to fit on a scout suit... EDIT: just remember, any scout suit or assault suit with precision enhancers will find you. And most with precision skills trained up to a semi-competent level. And anyone smart enough to look for the blue flash.
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 10	Posted - 2014.03.27 07:17:00 - [20] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Halfwayscored wrote: As expected, did you think that CCP would actually think to about the most simple bugs. This is why the game is going nowhere every release that's dropped were back in beta This isn't a bug ... CCP did state some where that cloaks would have such high fitting requirements that you would have to make serious sacrifices to fit them on to anything other than a scout. If you see a cloaked anything other than a scout you can rest assured that they have sacrificed some serious tank and or firepower . I asked a Amar commando what he was running we had the exact same stuff/stats but he had a cloak ( I run basic) As I great Minmitar soldier once said to me "Murder murder" Inspiration merc. slogan

Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 922	Posted - 2014.03.27 07:35:00 - [21] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Lynn Beck said similar in Scouts United yesterday. Said they fitted an ADV Commando with all advanced gear, and a cloak. Shouldn't be possible. I also have it fitted in a standard minlogi with only level 1- sure it needs a Complex CPU/PG upgrade, but i have more scouting equipment than even scouts. Edit: I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank. Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?
Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven 480	Posted - 2014.03.27 08:10:00 - [22] - Quote cloak and melee damage mod for sucker punch commando SoundCloud Recruiter Link Pronounced Grim-e-urs
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 303	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:18:00 - [23] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Halfwayscored wrote: As expected, did you think that CCP would actually think to about the most simple bugs. This is why the game is going nowhere every release that's dropped were back in beta This isn't a bug ... CCP did state some where that cloaks would have such high fitting requirements that you would have to make serious sacrifices to fit them on to anything other than a scout. If you see a cloaked anything other than a scout you can rest assured that they have sacrificed some serious tank and or firepower . ADV commando with all ADV modules and weapons? Sounds like a vanilla fit to me Are you really Duncan Idaho? I don't believe it. You can't fool me Hayt, you son of a *****. I am he, yes. I grew up in an axlotl tank. Bow down.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2751	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:24:00 - [24] - Quote These people who thought the cloak was scout only make me laugh I knew the idea of a cloak was a bad design choice from the start for this exact reason I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 922	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 - [25] - Quote It was supposed to be impractical, not impossible. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 303	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:29:00 - [26] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: These people who thought the cloak was scout only make me laugh I knew the idea of a cloak was a bad design choice from the start for this exact reason I didn't run the numbers pre 1.8, but when the scout has a bonus to cloak fitting, is it not obvious that you should have to gimp your non-scout fit in order to use one? If other suits can fit what they want and a cloak, instead of a gimped suit + cloak, what is the point of the scout bonus? Not sure what you're trying to tell me except that I made you laugh ;-)
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2751	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:40:00 - [27] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Delta 749 wrote: These people who thought the cloak was scout only make me laugh I knew the idea of a cloak was a bad design choice from the start for this exact reason I didn't run the numbers pre 1.8, but when the scout has a bonus to cloak fitting, is it not obvious that you should have to gimp your non-scout fit in order to use one? If other suits can fit what they want and a cloak, instead of a gimped suit + cloak, what is the point of the scout bonus? Not sure what you're trying to tell me except that I made you laugh ;-) Think of it like this, everything shares roughly the same baseline and the bonus just makes things better and not everything starts out gimped and needs the bonus to come up to not sucking At least thats the idea, talking about how its implemented in practice among all the suits is a whole other beast Or I guess another way to look at it is that we are supposed to have total freedom in our fittings so limiting things so only one suit can use it goes against that and its not like they are running proto cloaks so thats the sacrifice I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 304	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:44:00 - [28] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Delta 749 wrote: These people who thought the cloak was scout only make me laugh I knew the idea of a cloak was a bad design choice from the start for this exact reason I didn't run the numbers pre 1.8, but when the scout has a bonus to cloak fitting, is it not obvious that you should have to gimp your non-scout fit in order to use one? If other suits can fit what they want and a cloak, instead of a gimped suit + cloak, what is the point of the scout bonus? Not sure what you're trying to tell me except that I made you laugh ;-) Think of it like this, everything shares roughly the same baseline and the bonus just makes things better and not everything starts out gimped and needs the bonus to come up to not sucking At least thats the idea, talking about how its implemented in practice among all the suits is a whole other beast Or I guess another way to look at it is that we are supposed to have total freedom in our fittings so limiting things so only one suit can use it goes against that and its not like they are running proto cloaks so thats the sacrifice Ok so it means, you can have it and run other ADV modules, but not the proto modules you could have run without it, for example? Unless you're scout, in which case, have fun with your full proto-fit + cloak? I can deal I guess...but then I am inclined to agree with your original point around bad design.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1403	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:46:00 - [29] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Standard cloaks are perfectly fittable on most suits. you just have to give up a lot on your fit with the pg and cpu requirements. you can put a cloak on anything, but most things bigger than a scout are going to show up on scans, so what's the use?


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