DUST Search - minmitar scouts need more pg

Cenex Langly wrote:

To be honest, the Minmatar scout suit is absolutely perfect. I can fit all the standard scout fittings with ease. With room to spare.

If you are having a problem then it's because you do not have your engineering/electronics and other CPU/PG skills trained high enough.

Considering the fact that it's a Minmatar racial suit its built for using Minmatar weapons, i.e., combat rifle, mass driver, SMG, flaylock pistol. These weapons take up much less pg and reflect the suit layout. The flaylock pistol takes 0-2 pg. Don't try to fit a rail rifle on your suit that's just too much PG. It's not an armor tank suit so don't put armor plates on it. You can fit 2-3 complex shield extenders if you wanted to with speed mods, stamina mods or profile dampeners or codebreakers.

Really the suit is quite versatile and has a huge range of fittings.

Keep in mind that the adv suit shouldn't try to fit proto equipment or weapons, that won't fit like on logi or assault. Proto suits can fit the proto equipment.

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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 289	Posted - 2014.03.25 23:16:00 - [1] - Quote its un ******* real how bad all of my fittings are. I CANT fill the slots and still maintain the same stats that i had pre-1.8 even with fitting a basic cloak. Come on, this is BS Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 847	Posted - 2014.03.25 23:28:00 - [2] - Quote It has always been hard to fit a Minmatar Scout. Disappointing and one of the main reasons I decided to switch from Minmatar to Gallente Scout.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 289	Posted - 2014.03.25 23:34:00 - [3] - Quote BARDAS wrote: It has always been hard to fit a Minmatar Scout. Disappointing and one of the main reasons I decided to switch from Minmatar to Gallente Scout. its god awful right now. what the **** am i supposed to fit in my low slots? 1 profile damp is all you need, if that. Come on. Armor plates? we don't have enough shields for regulators to be useful, so thats out the window. Shield extenders are the only viable high slot for them, and cost too much Pg for what they give Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
mollerz 2909	Posted - 2014.03.25 23:36:00 - [4] - Quote Nah- it is pretty crazy. I take my fitting M/1 from 1.7 and apply it to a 1.8 M/1 - same modules, same skills, empty new EQ slot, and empty new High slot, and there isn't enough PG. wut. Recap- LV 5 Electronics/Engineering/Light weapon/Sidearm/explosives- and the same fit from 1.7 will not work in 1.8- and I haven't even added any modules to the two new slots. That can't be correct. You end up getting shoehorned one way or another and tossing on a precision and or a dampener because it has 0PG and nothing else will fit. even the proto suit is PG gimped. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 289	Posted - 2014.03.25 23:42:00 - [5] - Quote mollerz wrote: Nah- it is pretty crazy. I take my fitting M/1 from 1.7 and apply it to a 1.8 M/1 - same modules, same skills, empty new EQ slot, and empty new High slot, and there isn't enough PG. wut. Recap- LV 5 Electronics/Engineering/Light weapon/Sidearm/explosives- and the same fit from 1.7 will not work in 1.8- and I haven't even added any modules to the two new slots. That can't be correct. You end up getting shoehorned one way or another and tossing on a precision and or a dampener because it has 0PG and nothing else will fit. even the proto suit is PG gimped. ex-*****-actly I'm honestly beyond POed right now. Cal suits are just better min suits, and don't even get me started on gal. Amarr frames are quite simply better than the min scout, and everyone complained that amarr suits were UPGÇª.fuckin amarr scout is a better speed tanker than minmitar cause it can *** fit kin cats. What the . I skilled minmitar for a fast ass shield tanked run-up-in-your-face-andkinfe/shotgun-you suit. Right now, its a slow ass sorry ass version of every other goddamn scout in existence. I honestly demand that the *** suit gets deleted its so bad compared to caldari. Theres no ***** reason for it in the game right now Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 91	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:10:00 - [6] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: its un ***** real how bad all of my fittings are. I CANT fill the slots and still maintain the same stats that i had pre-1.8 even with fitting a basic cloak. Come on, this is BS I swear to *** god you have been in every single thread I've posted in concerning scouts since 1.8 teasers were released. In all that time are you saying you never read a ***** thing I've written?! All those Amarr scouts are QQ'ing and are now laughing. All these Gal are the best are now seeing Cal Scouts and Amarr scouts dominate. Yet in every post i made, i always always mention how the Min Adv suits lacks two essential things to make it competitive. 1. NK which the suit is designed for lacks a PG reduction skill. I know NK are a Cal weapon, but as of now the Gal is the primary user and its high PG absolutely ruins the Min Adv suit and even makes problems for the Proto suit when you carry RE's or a good weapon (RR, AR, Proto SMG or Proto Pistols). Only the CR works for it, which pin holes the Min suit into two very specific weapons, which is garbage. 2. The Min suit itself lacks 3-4 PG, specifically at advanced. After bonus PG is applied, so say adding 2 base PG to the suit would solve it balance issues. I also much prefer to Min adv scout to be 2-3 and not 3-2 which hinders it. 3-2 is far less variety, inability to play speed game + inability to okay stealth game. The adv suit is a joke compared to its counter parts. The cloak substantially hurts its low PG design to the point where it isn't a viable option at advanced.
mollerz 2912	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:34:00 - [7] - Quote I was like fuk it. I'm just using the new M/1 aka the M-1. same layout as the old M/1 basically. I feel at home with it. 336CPU/56 PG <- Ishnoks (can we have some kind of fitting skill over here?) Magsec SMG (with lv 3 fitting) flux ARNie Cloak E Shield XT COMP Precision Comp Cardiac Reg Comp Prof Damp 161 Sh 87 Armor 325CPU/53PG used- Can't even figure out another combination that decently fills the slots. 35, 460 ISK (I feel like this is as low as I can go) So not bad. But you have to have a **** ton of SP to pull it off. I've all but given up on Kin Cats.. and I never thought I'd be saying that as of 1.8. 15 PG per kin cat!? You crazy CCP. Why do biotics need more than 1 PG? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5242	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:36:00 - [8] - Quote I've put a pg mod in my low too fit other mods, oddly enough this makes me feel more Minmatar. (if that's possible.) Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 517	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:39:00 - [9] - Quote It's brutal, I feel I shoulda known better playing with proto fits, yet I went to adv, should went cal, gal an amar, now I'm stuck wit this stupid thing, it's embarrassing that 1.7 scout fitbetter Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
mollerz 2913	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:39:00 - [10] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I've put a pg mod in my low too fit other mods, oddly enough this makes me feel more Minmatar. (if that's possible.) How can you feel okay giving up a slot for that? Just put in a Complex dampener = 0 PG. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla

Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 291	Posted - 2014.03.26 00:41:00 - [11] - Quote honestly, I'm just not gonna run a cloak. Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Demon Buddah Corporate Disaster 192	Posted - 2014.03.26 01:32:00 - [12] - Quote Glad I'm not the only one who thought this was stupid. Put the cloak on expecting to do more, have to give up some speed or health. So ditched that, put my RE back on and still barely able to do anything... Like. wtf
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 295	Posted - 2014.03.26 01:40:00 - [13] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: Glad I'm not the only one who thought this was stupid. Put the cloak on expecting to do more, have to give up some speed or health. So ditched that, put my RE back on and still barely able to do anything... Like. wtf go cladari Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 610	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:03:00 - [14] - Quote You are not going to see me type this often so pay attention: You are right OP. The minmatar suits should have their CPU/PG values switched with the caldari. Caldari should have the most CPU. Also, shield extenders need to cost more CPU and less PG. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Dimmu Borgir II The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 267	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:08:00 - [15] - Quote mollerz wrote: Nah- it is pretty crazy. I take my fitting M/1 from 1.7 and apply it to a 1.8 M/1 - same modules, same skills, empty new EQ slot, and empty new High slot, and there isn't enough PG. wut. Recap- LV 5 Electronics/Engineering/Light weapon/Sidearm/explosives- and the same fit from 1.7 will not work in 1.8- and I haven't even added any modules to the two new slots. That can't be correct. You end up getting shoehorned one way or another and tossing on a precision and or a dampener because it has 0PG and nothing else will fit. even the proto suit is PG gimped. This ^ is 100% accurate, we need more module choices as there's just nothing we can use, I can't even squeeze two complex shield extenders very easily onto a proto scout - not for the CPU but for the PG!! I had to use a PG extender (or whatever it's called!) to get the suit anywhere near how I wanted it... I have all of my core skills up to 5 too so that's not the reason. Blue is good, red is bad, orange you glad you're not red?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5244	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:53:00 - [16] - Quote mollerz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I've put a pg mod in my low too fit other mods, oddly enough this makes me feel more Minmatar. (if that's possible.) How can you feel okay giving up a slot for that? Just put in a Complex dampener = 0 PG. Can't fit the hacking mod without it. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 275	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:19:00 - [17] - Quote Yes extenders cost way too much PG and plates cost way too little - Probably the main reason Gallente fit easy I wouldnt mind the Minnie fitting staying tight if we got a cloak-like fitting reduction to catalysers "Shine bright like a diamond"
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 698	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:26:00 - [18] - Quote To be honest, the Minmatar scout suit is absolutely perfect. I can fit all the standard scout fittings with ease. With room to spare. If you are having a problem then it's because you do not have your engineering/electronics and other CPU/PG skills trained high enough. Considering the fact that it's a Minmatar racial suit its built for using Minmatar weapons, i.e., combat rifle, mass driver, SMG, flaylock pistol. It's not an armor tank suit so don't put armor plates on it. You can fit 2-3 complex shield extenders if you wanted to with speed mods, stamina mods or profile dampeners or codebreakers. Really the suit is quite versatile and has a huge range of fittings. Keep in mind that the adv suit shouldn't try to fit proto equipment or weapons, that won't fit like on logi or assault. Proto suits can fit the proto equipment. Newb
Jarlaxle JRXL Well Oiled Machines 15	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:33:00 - [19] - Quote its an ADV suit... YTF would u expect to be able to PROTO-FIT it?
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 275	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:53:00 - [20] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: To be honest, the Minmatar scout suit is absolutely perfect. I can fit all the standard scout fittings with ease. With room to spare. If you are having a problem then it's because you do not have your engineering/electronics and other CPU/PG skills trained high enough. Considering the fact that it's a Minmatar racial suit its built for using Minmatar weapons, i.e., combat rifle, mass driver, SMG, flaylock pistol. These weapons take up much less pg and reflect the suit layout. The flaylock pistol takes 0-2 pg. Don't try to fit a rail rifle on your suit that's just too much PG. It's not an armor tank suit so don't put armor plates on it. You can fit 2-3 complex shield extenders if you wanted to with speed mods, stamina mods or profile dampeners or codebreakers. Really the suit is quite versatile and has a huge range of fittings. Keep in mind that the adv suit shouldn't try to fit proto equipment or weapons, that won't fit like on logi or assault. Proto suits can fit the proto equipment. Spin that around now using the other suits and see what they can fit. Then you have some calling for the Combat Rifle to be nerfed. If the CR gets nerfed then the Minmatar shouldnt show up I have a Caldari Scout alt with 2+ mil SP and at advanced it is easier to fit out complex and and advanced modules than a 20 mil Lv 5 scout advanced suit. Most of the time I dont make fuss about the fitting costs. I have even chided the OP about sacrificing stuff in the past but after maxing out cores it is still hard to fit modules to be a true speed and shield regen tanker. It is something CCP should look at and adjust slightly or make it more difficult for other racials to fit certain loadouts. "Shine bright like a diamond"

Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1028	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:54:00 - [21] - Quote I have to admit I'm struggling to get to grips with the Min suit. I've found that my old style actually worked better for my cheaper suits. All I've done really is put a cloak dependant on the role - I.e my flanker fit with CR really only needs a cloak to escape or cover ground so I only put a basic on. I was never one for stacking Kin Cats. As to the proto's I've put 2 dampeners on them - Damned Caldari Scouts so little PG usage there. The only real problems I find is that TTK went up but doesn't seem proportional to my survivability, so I can't really enter combat. Not in itself a problem (thats its role) but I am used to being higher on the Killboards and my earning potential's dropped significantly. Yes my knives can OHK most suits (prof 4 is sweet ) but the mechanic is so clumsy its not reliable even in the best of circumstances. And if I have knives I can only have one ranged weapon - so it has to be good for most situations / enemies. The CR seems so much worse against shields now, especially with its damage reduction, so I stick to my trusty SMG's - which still seem to shred thankfully. One really good combo I've found is Ion Pistol + SMG - blast the shields down with one and tear armour with the other. Even taken out Pro Cal Sentinels with it. Its nice and fast. Which means I take less damage In general though I think CCP wants us to put more Ewar mods on the Min - No PG useage. Kinda makes sense as you can see more on scanners while you hack a point. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 919	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:55:00 - [22] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: its un ******* real how bad all of my fittings are. I CANT fill the slots and still maintain the same stats that i had pre-1.8 even with fitting a basic cloak. Come on, this is BS So you don't think you should give up anything to be able to be invisible? I respectfully disagree -- there needs to be a tradeoff. IMO, the tradeoff is pretty good for Min scout, and not too good for Cal and Gal scouts, which need to be more like the Min.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 356	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:59:00 - [23] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: its un ******* real how bad all of my fittings are. I CANT fill the slots and still maintain the same stats that i had pre-1.8 even with fitting a basic cloak. Come on, this is BS The cloak has crazy fitting requirements. Because, that's why.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1883	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:09:00 - [24] - Quote Agreed, OP. Minnie scout is all but dead. I skilled back into only one suit, minny logi. 4.8+ million sp still unspent and will stay that way for a month prolly. But as things stand none of those points will be going back into the minny scout, which is the suit i want to run most. I'm happy to run gimped suits in the service of Minmatar ideals, but there's a limit. Galscout or Calscout will take it's place, if necessary. I support SP rollover.
Callidus Vanus Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 250	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:18:00 - [25] - Quote You could just not fit a cloak, i mean its not like its a requirement. Closed beta bunny, Veteran of Caldari Prime.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 275	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:23:00 - [26] - Quote Callidus Vanus wrote: You could just not fit a cloak, i mean its not like its a requirement. The op is a little ranty but its not just cloak Try fitting twin kin cats or multiple extenders or equipment other than a compact hive - Doing this with non minmatar weaponry can be very difficult. On other scouts it doesnt seem nearly as challenging. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 379	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:41:00 - [27] - Quote boomp Fear The Tribes // In Rust We Trust // Standings Minmatar 6 // Minmatar Logibro //
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 324	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:43:00 - [28] - Quote Yeah the Min Scout needs like 4 extra PG at least.
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 379	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:01:00 - [29] - Quote I need to fit both a cmplx pg and a basic cpu JUST for a cloak or 1 cmplx pg for a kincat Fear The Tribes // In Rust We Trust // Standings Minmatar 6 // Minmatar Logibro //
getu pfool SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:27:00 - [30] - Quote Wait till the minni shotgun comes out (next year or after) if they keep it in line with the rest of the minni weapons it will have low pg usage.



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