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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:34:00 -
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You can't achieve balance when vehicle modules have the same efficiency from militia to proto while AV is heavily tiered as they get a 50% damage increase from militia to proto.
Militia AV should be able to take out militia fit vehicles, right? Not in the current state of affairs. One is tiered, the other isn't. One requires a higher tier to be able to compete, while the other offers equal efficiency as proto with zero SP investment through tiericide.
One is forced to get to proto to be able to compete while the other gets free proto efficiency at no cost.
You see where I'm getting at here? I don't see tiericide for all of infantry any time soon, so the only solution to achieve balance is to bring back tiered efficiency on vehicle modules.
Hardeners and damage amplifiers should not give you prototype status at no cost with the only difference being cooldown time. That's a big no-no. Now you got cheap, militia fit tanks that can stand toe-to-toe with proto AV just as well as a proto-fit tank with ten million SP.
Let's see how many of you actually read this whole post. I know you all will cry that in the current state of affairs, there will be nothing to take out proto-fit vehicles if tiers are brought back. That's why there need to be further changes to go along with bringing back tiers to make proto AV a more general threat to proto-fit tanks than the odd smart AV'er that knows what they are doing, but still not to the point in 1.6 where anyone could use an assault forge gun and fire the whole clip into a shield tank and pop it.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.03.23 21:45:00 -
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See people always be all about proto vehicles when they realize they already have the said vehicles in the first place with the damn modules.
They're not hard to fit with enough skills and as judge nearly proved that a dual hardener setup is nearly impervious to small weapons fire.
Either way I think we need to stop swinging the wrecking ball and end the pendulum effect. Smaller tweaks and more frequently. First up AV damage, Second up Hardeners, Third up Natural Talents of Vehicles and Weapon performances.
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.23 22:03:00 -
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You know a situation has gotten out of hand when I can agree with and like an iron wolf saber post.
1.7 was a giant flop balance wise.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.23 22:09:00 -
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They will come back. Did anybody read the d*mn thread about vehicle rebalance? They stripped it all back to basics to balance from that and then reintroduce more and better stuff.
There is a reason why AV sucks right now. As they balance the basics and then increase the power of tanks with tiered mods then AV will be balanced accordingly.
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medomai grey
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:21:00 -
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I was fairly certain that higher tier active modules are better. They have lower cool down times.
As far as balance goes, if mlt can't take out proto, then the game is unbalanced. Higher tier gear gives you an edge over lower tier gear, but that doesn't mean you should automatically win because you have better gear. Although there are several vehicle related issues that need to be addressed, tank versus tank is in a good place at the moment.
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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:23:00 -
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Look at my signature you idiots
The problem with tanks
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Patrlck 56
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:27:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:Look at my signature you idiots
Your sig sucks. Mine is the bestest. 
Best hatemail
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1942
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:43:00 -
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I'll just leave this here
click me
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Patrlck 56
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Posted - 2014.03.24 01:46:00 -
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I'll just leave this here
Best hatemail
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.03.24 02:31:00 -
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if you need proto to kill an unskilled hav you suck end of.
i want proxie chat so i can run around in the gall heavy saying GET IN MAH BELLY. nah just kidding trade window please=)
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