DUST Search - The large blaster is the source of Tank imbalance.

Sgt Kirk wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles.

This is false the large blaster will overheat before killing a tank, a railgun can kill any tank before it over heats even through hardeners. Not only that but a railgun outdpses a tank by 30%.

The large blaster is highly effective against troops.

This is true and shouldn't be so.

The large blaster is highly accurate.

This is subjective to the target and rof,a rail is very accurate against a tanks.

Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast.

Tanks equipped with blasters can turn their gun fast not move fast.

The large blaster is easy to use.

So is a railgun it's probably easier since you don't have to move much.

The large blaster has no charge.

don't blame the tank problems on just the 1 item. There are multiple things wrong with tanks.

I'd like that the blasters go like this

Small blasters - High RoF low damage (low to the point where it can't hurt vehicles besides light but RoF helps greatly against AI)

Medium Blasters (Soon) - Medium RoF medium damage. (decent against infantry, decent against vehicles besides HAVs)

Large Blasters - Low RoF High Damage (By low RoF fire I'm talking plasma cannon like RoF.)

I am a LAV driver and i'd really like the small blasters to be worth something again :(

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C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 561	Posted - 2014.03.22 13:45:00 - [1] - Quote Let us all for the moment consider a couple points. The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles. The large blaster is highly effective against troops. The large blaster is highly accurate. Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast. The large blaster is easy to use. The large blaster has no charge time. Now, There is no other weapon in-game that excells at all these points. Period. For example, No infantry weapon is highly effective against tanks as well as infantry. Complaints about tanks stem from the fact that tank has a large blaster on it. Nobody complains about missile tanks stomping troops or rail tanks stomping troops. Its the large blaster. Large blaster tanks can pretty much outgun other tanks, which should not be the case. Its an anti-infantry weapon and do a poor job of killing anything else but it doesnt. Theres no down sides to the large blaster except an overheat but when you kill a dropsuit in a couple bullets that overheat is not effective at curbing its killing power. I believe the source of the problem between tanks and troops. Its not tanks themselves, its whats on top. Th large blaster. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2014	Posted - 2014.03.22 13:49:00 - [2] - Quote You know, no one dared to say anything like this in 1.5 (or was it 1.6?). That's because prototype AV could kill standard vehicles. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 788	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:00:00 - [3] - Quote LOL @ the large blaster being highly effective against vehicles. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 319	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:01:00 - [4] - Quote Half decent rail tank > most blaster tanks
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 700	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:01:00 - [5] - Quote Do you think possibly that the lack of racial weaponry (handheld and turret) and vehicles has anything to do with the kind of imbalance you perceive? (Hint: It does.) DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1600	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:04:00 - [6] - Quote Old news. We already know this. The Tankophobes don't care about that. Any tank is bad to them even if not bothering them. "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1354	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:06:00 - [7] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Let us all for the moment consider a couple points. The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles. The large blaster is highly effective against troops. The large blaster is highly accurate. Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast. The large blaster is easy to use. The large blaster has no charge time. Now, There is no other weapon in-game that excells at all these points. Period. For example, No infantry weapon is highly effective against tanks as well as infantry. Complaints about tanks stem from the fact that tank has a large blaster on it. Nobody complains about missile tanks stomping troops or rail tanks stomping troops. Its the large blaster. Large blaster tanks can pretty much outgun other tanks, which should not be the case. Its an anti-infantry weapon and do a poor job of killing anything else but it doesnt. Theres no down sides to the large blaster except an overheat but when you kill a dropsuit in a couple bullets that overheat is not effective at curbing its killing power. I believe the source of the problem between tanks and troops. Its not tanks themselves, its whats on top. Th large blaster. Highly effective against vehicles? I've been surprised from behind by blaster Somas/Madrugars, while my hardener was on cooldown, and I was still able to activate my damage amplifier and pop them with one missile volley and run away with half of my shields left. I have not lost to a single lone blaster tank; it takes two or more blaster tanks to be effective at AV. Once it even took three blaster tanks just to beat me. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 562	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:06:00 - [8] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: You know, no one dared to say anything like this in 1.5 (or was it 1.6?). That's because prototype AV could kill standard vehicles. No one said it because AV was overpowered but now tanks live longer the large blasters imbalance is begining to show. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1624	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:17:00 - [9] - Quote Quote: The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles. The large blaster is highly effective against troops. The large blaster is highly accurate. Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast. The large blaster is easy to use. The large blaster has no charge time. to address these points no it isn't. the blaster lacks the alpha to punch through hardeners. yea, that's the point not really, it's hard to hit infantry at any distance the turret has no effect on the movement speed of the tank aim and pull the trigger just like every other hitscan weapon in the game rail weapons (except the sniper) are the only weapons in the game with a charge time. why would the blaster have one? on a related note, are you suggesting that the charge time balances weapons like the rail turret and rail rifle? it doesn't... GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1998	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:18:00 - [10] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: You know, no one dared to say anything like this in 1.5 (or was it 1.6?). That's because prototype AV could kill standard vehicles. No one said it because AV was overpowered but now tanks live longer the large blasters imbalance is begining to show. Whereas then they didnt live long so it wasnt noticible. because swarms are broken. Fix swarms. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

CLONE117 True Pros Forever 731	Posted - 2014.03.22 14:37:00 - [11] - Quote 500 hps rep madrugar... well least my reps r only out dpsed by evertything in the game. but i sure can tank a mean ion blaster hardened maddrugar. with the ability to get into cover and rep up all the damage.(freaking long ass brawl though...) crap..... its a rail tank run!!!!!!!!!!!(can be replaced by av also).. no seriously i seem to have easier time hitting infantry with a rail turret than my blaster turret. they pull out the proto rail rifle. im going to pull out the tank. it seems to be the only way i can effectively....deal with them at the current moment in time. cant close the range gap with my set of weaponry. the times ive targeted infantry or forge gunners with a blaster turret. im wasting over 3/4 of my clib to kill a forge gunner thats just pooing out firing moving bak. might be lucky to hit him once at that time. with infantry moving across an open field its more like 20-30. any one standing still in front of the blaster gets insta blapped though which im ok with. because that means your just giving the tank a free reward for your own stupidity. all u can really do with the blaster turret effectively is suppressing fire. when fighting tanks rail tanks more specifically or missiles.. u have to out manuevre them. use your better turret rotation speed against them. can be a bit tricky to pull off successfully though. but catching them from behind always makes the rail tank run for the hills. because they cant turn around fast enough to fire back...well they can fire back but they wouldnt really win the fight unless they had hardeners active.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3616	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:52:00 - [12] - Quote The large blaster is the AR of Chromosome. I.e. the only thing we have in its category. So it needs to be good all-round. Meanwhile we have armour tanks that can passive rep through proto swarms, and shield tanks that literally take no damage from them. Don't tell me that's a large blaster problem. No.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2227	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:58:00 - [13] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: LOL @ the large blaster being highly effective against vehicles. lol because we see SO many blasters in higher levels of play. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Leonid Tybalt Heaven's-Gate 330	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:01:00 - [14] - Quote Oh there are so many false statements in the OP that I can only deduce that it's author have never, ever spent any time in the drivers seat of a blaster tank. The current source of imbalance has nothing to do with the large blaster, but with cruising speed of tanks and tank durability. Slow the tanks down a little, and make AV just a little bit more efficient (not 1.6 efficient though, because that was imbalanced in favor of AV). And also, demand more skillpoints to be able to run MLT tanks effwctively.
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 324	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:05:00 - [15] - Quote Saunders don't you dare stir up a storm of unholy **** and get my brand new Ion Cannon nerfed. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12390	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:08:00 - [16] - Quote Blasters are too good vs infantry sure, but railguns are CLEARLY the main problem maker when it comes to tanks. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5297	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:40:00 - [17] - Quote Lol you clearly have not seen the Large railgun and missile launcher *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5173	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:42:00 - [18] - Quote Turn the Large Blaster into a Large Shotgun Turret, incredible damage up close (AV / AI) but acts just like the Infantry Shotgun on range, of course, it'd need more than 5m.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2134	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:53:00 - [19] - Quote The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles. This is false the large blaster will overheat before killing a tank, a railgun can kill any tank before it over heats even through hardeners. Not only that but a railgun outdpses a tank by 30%. The large blaster is highly effective against troops. This is true and shouldn't be so. The large blaster is highly accurate. This is subjective to the target and rof,a rail is very accurate against a tanks. Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast. Tanks equipped with blasters can turn their gun fast not move fast. The large blaster is easy to use. So is a railgun it's probably easier since you don't have to move much. The large blaster has no charge. don't blame the tank problems on just the 1 item. There are multiple things wrong with tanks. For the Federation!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5298	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:59:00 - [20] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles. This is false the large blaster will overheat before killing a tank, a railgun can kill any tank before it over heats even through hardeners. Not only that but a railgun outdpses a tank by 30%. The large blaster is highly effective against troops. This is true and shouldn't be so. The large blaster is highly accurate. This is subjective to the target and rof,a rail is very accurate against a tanks. Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast. Tanks equipped with blasters can turn their gun fast not move fast. The large blaster is easy to use. So is a railgun it's probably easier since you don't have to move much. The large blaster has no charge. don't blame the tank problems on just the 1 item. There are multiple things wrong with tanks. I'd like that the blasters go like this Small blasters - High RoF low damage (low to the point where it can't hurt vehicles besides light but RoF helps greatly against AI) Medium Blasters (Soon) - Medium RoF medium damage. (decent against infantry, decent against vehicles besides HAVs) Large Blasters - Low RoF High Damage (By low RoF fire I'm talking plasma cannon like RoF.) I am a LAV driver and i'd really like the small blasters to be worth something again :( *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance

Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1008	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:02:00 - [21] - Quote Rail tanks are the source of vehicle imbalance
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 562	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:02:00 - [22] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles. This is false the large blaster will overheat before killing a tank, a railgun can kill any tank before it over heats even through hardeners. Not only that but a railgun outdpses a tank by 30%. The large blaster is highly effective against troops. This is true and shouldn't be so. The large blaster is highly accurate. This is subjective to the target and rof,a rail is very accurate against a tanks. Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast. Tanks equipped with blasters can turn their gun fast not move fast. The large blaster is easy to use. So is a railgun it's probably easier since you don't have to move much. The large blaster has no charge. don't blame the tank problems on just the 1 item. There are multiple things wrong with tanks. There may be more than one thing wrong with tanks but the biggest imbalance stems from large blasters. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1907	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:23:00 - [23] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: LOL @ the large blaster being highly effective against vehicles. ^ Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8634	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:48:00 - [24] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles. This is false the large blaster will overheat before killing a tank, a railgun can kill any tank before it over heats even through hardeners. Not only that but a railgun outdpses a tank by 30%. The large blaster is highly effective against troops. This is true and shouldn't be so. The large blaster is highly accurate. This is subjective to the target and rof,a rail is very accurate against a tanks. Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast. Tanks equipped with blasters can turn their gun fast not move fast. The large blaster is easy to use. So is a railgun it's probably easier since you don't have to move much. The large blaster has no charge. don't blame the tank problems on just the 1 item. There are multiple things wrong with tanks. I'd like that the blasters go like this Small blasters - High RoF low damage (low to the point where it can't hurt vehicles besides light but RoF helps greatly against AI) Medium Blasters (Soon) - Medium RoF medium damage. (decent against infantry, decent against vehicles besides HAVs) Large Blasters - Low RoF High Damage (By low RoF fire I'm talking plasma cannon like RoF.) I am a LAV driver and i'd really like the small blasters to be worth something again :( MY GOD YES! IVE BEEN SUGGESTING THIS FOR WEEKS! Large Blaster could become a Large Plasma Cannon/ Projector! "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 91	Posted - 2014.03.22 19:02:00 - [25] - Quote this is what i think of when i read the TC's post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRVUOGUmxJI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvH1NwqhbY8 Assault Dropship Pilot
CaoticFox Axis of Chaos 194	Posted - 2014.03.22 19:36:00 - [26] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Let us all for the moment consider a couple points. The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles. The large blaster is highly effective against troops. The large blaster is highly accurate. Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast. The large blaster is easy to use. The large blaster has no charge time. Now, There is no other weapon in-game that excells at all these points. Period. For example, No infantry weapon is highly effective against tanks as well as infantry. Complaints about tanks stem from the fact that tank has a large blaster on it. Nobody complains about missile tanks stomping troops or rail tanks stomping troops. Its the large blaster. Large blaster tanks can pretty much outgun other tanks, which should not be the case. Its an anti-infantry weapon and do a poor job of killing anything else but it doesnt. Theres no down sides to the large blaster except an overheat but when you kill a dropsuit in a couple bullets that overheat is not effective at curbing its killing power. I believe the source of the problem between tanks and troops. Its not tanks themselves, its whats on top. Th large blaster. FG is Highly effective against vehicles & infantry... Im on the FORUMS because im P!$$ED off @ the game. as of 1920 CST USA 02-03-14 i have... 53,765,260 SP
Toby Flenderson research lab 374	Posted - 2014.03.22 19:42:00 - [27] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Quote: The large blaster is highly effective against vehicles. The large blaster is highly effective against troops. The large blaster is highly accurate. Tanks equipped with the large blaster can move fast. The large blaster is easy to use. The large blaster has no charge time. to address these points no it isn't. the blaster lacks the alpha to punch through hardeners. yea, that's the point not really, it's hard to hit infantry at any distance the turret has no effect on the movement speed of the tank aim and pull the trigger just like every other hitscan weapon in the game rail weapons (except the sniper) are the only weapons in the game with a charge time. why would the blaster have one? on a related note, are you suggesting that the charge time balances weapons like the rail turret and rail rifle? it doesn't... Not to distract from your counter arguments but you forgot the PLC.


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