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fragmentedhackslash
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Posted - 2014.03.22 09:36:00 -
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This is one of the least noticed 'adjustments' and one of the most critical.
2 Talking points here.
What the heck! Why even adjust the range in the first place? With Mass Drivers OP, Lasers back to beams of death, and Amarr assault Visiam FOTM, with everyone going Heavy... WHY TOUCH THE REP TOOLS?
With the range geting Scotty'd, remove the warpoint cap!
With the increase suit armour base per racial suit for Heavys remove the war point cap!
Post 1.8, just remeber what I have written... it will be a huge negatice impact for all, and no one even understands.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.22 09:36:00 -
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Do you even know why the warpoint cap exists in the first place?
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.22 09:40:00 -
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Yes please remove the war point cap I can't wait to break 15k in war point legitimately in pubs again.
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Daddrobit
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2014.03.22 09:41:00 -
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Won't it be longer with the Minmatar logi bonuses? If I recall a graph somewhere pointed out that every tool would end up having a better or equal to rep and range total after bonuses than they do currently with the exception of the core focused, which is sad. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:16:00 -
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The minmatarr logi bonus is lolworthy. A nerf to reptools was not really required cause they are beeing rarely used.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:33:00 -
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But, but, but...equipment just needed a balance...accorind to the balance-scale of CCP, which is just tipped to one side. |
Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:49:00 -
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Mass Drivers aren't OP they still have half the DPS of assault rifles, so you will only die to them if they are wolf packed, have terrible aim, or you keepbrunning at him when you should fall back.
Lasers aren't even getting a damage buff, they are just making it easier to achieve good results. You still won't die unless you're 60m away in open ground.
Scramblers getting nerfed by nearly 15%, so don't worry about that, and the HMG is where it should be.
They are nerfing the range of rep tools to stop the trick where a logi is behind a corner while is heavy soaks all the damage, if you want to use a rep tool mid combat you put you're life on the line risk v reward.
And under no circumstances will the cap be removed, stops boosting.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Jackof All-Trades
The Black Renaissance
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:43:00 -
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As much as I agree with you, we don't know how madly these changes will effect rep tools. They may balance them in a way that we never even realised before, and are thankful for (I guess having to wait around a little bit longer to rep will be okay).
bear in mind, I am EXTREMELY against the equipment nerfs (except scanners), just endorsing an open minded mentality
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2014.03.22 11:56:00 -
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Ah, this has been a point of discussion for nearly a month. Here on these forums. Not everyone is happy with the all encompassing equipment Nerf Hammer of Doom. Everything is getting it, not just your precious repair tools.
Until we see what the real effects of the weapon changes and how that plays out with the equipment Nerf then this is just blowing hot air around. TTK is increased by Nerf Hammering all the weapons, removing ammunition and making it not worth carrying a repair tool. If we would get a DS.Upgrade refund I wouldn't even spec back into them.
Since CCP/Shanghai has already made the decision that they will not go back on now (3 days until 25 Mar) this is also kinda pointless.
And so it goes.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.22 13:14:00 -
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Triage hives are often better than rep tools anyway.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Meee One
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.03.22 13:54:00 -
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fragmentedhackslash wrote:This is one of the least noticed 'adjustments' and one of the most critical.
2 Talking points here.
What the heck! Why even adjust the range in the first place? With Mass Drivers OP, Lasers back to beams of death, and Amarr assault Visiam FOTM, with everyone going Heavy... WHY TOUCH THE REP TOOLS?
With the range geting Scotty'd, remove the warpoint cap!
With the increase suit armour base per racial suit for Heavys remove the war point cap!
Post 1.8, just remeber what I have written... it will be a huge negatice impact for all, and no one even understands.
I personally believe that everyone going heavy is a very good reason to touch rep tools.
Someone has to keep those fatties on their feet....then again i'm a real logibro and not a poser.
Monkey MAC wrote:They are nerfing the range of rep tools to stop the trick where a logi is behind a corner while is heavy soaks all the damage, if you want to use a rep tool mid combat you put you're life on the line risk v reward.
Actually the min logis' bonuses increases ranges to be even longer.
For example-core focused:
Now-10m
After 1.8-11m
Do you even logi....bro?
I game over like a boss.
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fragmentedhackslash
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2014.03.23 05:10:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Triage hives are often better than rep tools anyway.
Reduced nanite capacity and increased grenade nanite cost, 1 grenade out of a K17/D (r) pops it.
Pain is just weakness leaving your body.
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Every meal is a feast.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.03.23 05:33:00 -
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Because CCP just feels like balancing things that don't need balancing?(this is coming from a GalScout)
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fragmentedhackslash
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2014.03.23 06:00:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Because CCP just feels like balancing things that don't need balancing?(this is coming from a GalScout)
Balance? hahahahahaha
Fair? Hahahahahahaha
Balance and Parity are apparent two different ideals.
Warpoints for damage on vechials is not capped so it can be farmed.
Warpoints for rep tools are capped becaue it gets 'farmed' NO! We are doing our jobs!
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.23 06:05:00 -
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fragmentedhackslash wrote:This is one of the least noticed 'adjustments' and one of the most critical.
2 Talking points here.
What the heck! Why even adjust the range in the first place? With Mass Drivers OP, Lasers back to beams of death, and Amarr assault Visiam FOTM, with everyone going Heavy... WHY TOUCH THE REP TOOLS?
With the range geting Scotty'd, remove the warpoint cap!
With the increase suit armour base per racial suit for Heavys remove the war point cap!
Post 1.8, just remeber what I have written... it will be a huge negatice impact for all, and no one even understands.
So taking two completely useless weapons and making adjustments to them to try and make them useful again makes them OP?
Badposter is bad.
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fragmentedhackslash
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2014.03.23 06:15:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:fragmentedhackslash wrote:This is one of the least noticed 'adjustments' and one of the most critical.
2 Talking points here.
What the heck! Why even adjust the range in the first place? With Mass Drivers OP, Lasers back to beams of death, and Amarr assault Visiam FOTM, with everyone going Heavy... WHY TOUCH THE REP TOOLS?
With the range geting Scotty'd, remove the warpoint cap!
With the increase suit armour base per racial suit for Heavys remove the war point cap!
Post 1.8, just remeber what I have written... it will be a huge negatice impact for all, and no one even understands. So taking two completely useless weapons and making adjustments to them to try and make them useful again makes them OP? Badposter is bad.
Point,
Counter point, off topic to Rep tool range halved, scanners (yes those things) nano hives that bust when you take 1 grenade, proto uplinks that are 15 Seconds unless you are in an Amarr suit...
NEVER before has a single piece of hardware been so disadvantaged like the equipment chanes across all equipment JUST because you are not in that racial suit, and ACTUAL logibros/sis not pseudo slayer logi bs that has been used out of frame cobtext to detrimebt of purpose in general will be extinct and definatly not worth specing into Imo.
Pain is just weakness leaving your body.
Every day is a holiday.
Every meal is a feast.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:17:00 -
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fragmentedhackslash wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:fragmentedhackslash wrote:This is one of the least noticed 'adjustments' and one of the most critical.
2 Talking points here.
What the heck! Why even adjust the range in the first place? With Mass Drivers OP, Lasers back to beams of death, and Amarr assault Visiam FOTM, with everyone going Heavy... WHY TOUCH THE REP TOOLS?
With the range geting Scotty'd, remove the warpoint cap!
With the increase suit armour base per racial suit for Heavys remove the war point cap!
Post 1.8, just remeber what I have written... it will be a huge negatice impact for all, and no one even understands. So taking two completely useless weapons and making adjustments to them to try and make them useful again makes them OP? Badposter is bad. Point, Counter point, off topic to Rep tool range halved, scanners (yes those things) nano hives that bust when you take 1 grenade, proto uplinks that are 15 Seconds unless you are in an Amarr suit... NEVER before has a single piece of hardware been so disadvantaged like the equipment chanes across all equipment JUST because you are not in that racial suit, and ACTUAL logibros/sis not pseudo slayer logi bs that has been used out of frame context to detriment of purpose in general will be extinct and definatly not worth specing into Imo.
The idea is to make it that you pic a racial suit based on a single piece of equipment that you want to specialize in, and at the highest level you get better performance than used to be possible.
I don't like it either. It doesn't make sense for gameplay or from any semblance of verisimilitude.
So the Minmatar are the only ones that develop repair equipment, and only the Caldari bother to resupply their ammo?
It's dumb and arbitrary, and I hope they change it in the future. You shouldn't be forced to use only one piece of equipment based on what race you choose.
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:48:00 -
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Just be grateful Fragmentedhackslash they didn't slash the Rep amounts. With all the damage reductions I'm a little surprised they picked the range. No complaint here since my Winmatar Combat Engineer is getting %25 Rep amount bonus.
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jordy mack
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.23 08:02:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Just be grateful Fragmentedhackslash they didn't slash the Rep amounts. With all the damage reductions I'm a little surprised they picked the range. No complaint here since my Winmatar Combat Engineer is getting %25 Rep amount bonus.
i noticed it wasnt in the notes but im pretty sure they are getting slashed too
but i think it may be a little premature or way too late to complain.
i think the general idea being heavies would be immortal to light weapons while getting repped, which would be kind true especially seeing as though the hmg is comparativley getting stronger.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.23 08:57:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:
The idea is to make it that you pic a racial suit based on a single piece of equipment that you want to specialize in, and at the highest level you get better performance than used to be possible.
which basically is a full overhaul for logi players... where is the full SP refund then? why should I be punished for having skilled into all equipment because CCP shanghai ****** up? basically my fast hacking support turns into a rep bot with alot of wasted SP in equipment... that is just silly.
typical CCP shanghai "balance" acts, instead of using common sense and basic math they just do something randomly and hope for the best but it is all fine as long you buy more bosters.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.03.23 12:42:00 -
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Meee One wrote:fragmentedhackslash wrote:This is one of the least noticed 'adjustments' and one of the most critical.
2 Talking points here.
What the heck! Why even adjust the range in the first place? With Mass Drivers OP, Lasers back to beams of death, and Amarr assault Visiam FOTM, with everyone going Heavy... WHY TOUCH THE REP TOOLS?
With the range geting Scotty'd, remove the warpoint cap!
With the increase suit armour base per racial suit for Heavys remove the war point cap!
Post 1.8, just remeber what I have written... it will be a huge negatice impact for all, and no one even understands. I personally believe that everyone going heavy is a very good reason to touch rep tools. Someone has to keep those fatties on their feet....then again i'm a real logibro and not a poser. Monkey MAC wrote:They are nerfing the range of rep tools to stop the trick where a logi is behind a corner while is heavy soaks all the damage, if you want to use a rep tool mid combat you put you're life on the line risk v reward. Actually the min logis' bonuses increases ranges to be even longer. For example-core focused: Now-10m After 1.8-11m Do you even logi....bro?
On the weakest logi, with smallest amount of health, all it will take is a grenade. Personally I logi from time to time, if I feel I can help more as a logi I will. Also 1m, you are aware how puny a distance 1m is don't you.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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fragmentedhackslash
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:13:00 -
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I am wondering if the new equipmemt racial pathways are going to be the same for Tiericide 2.0, if so the all the EWARS modules are going to be racially specific... I do not like the idea that yu have to be a particular suit just so you can use a command modul such as gang links. IMO anyone rebuilding their suits post 1.8 and not keeping in mind Teiricide 2.0, it may hurt your build later, problem is no one knows the directions that we are going to get to 2.0.
Especially for logistics roles, modules and equipment, changes like 1.8 with seemingly no community consultation, is this what we will see for Teiricide?
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:25:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:Yes please remove the war point cap. I can't wait to break 15k in war point legitimately in pubs again.
This man knows
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Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:30:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:Yes please remove the war point cap. I can't wait to break 15k in war point legitimately in pubs again. This woman knows.
There I fixed that for ya.
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:36:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:
This woman knows.
There I fixed that for ya.[/quote]
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