DUST Search - Swap Minmatar Sentinel shield and armor HP values

Scalesdini wrote:

Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:

Why would you want more shields anyway?

Even with the suit to proto you'd only debuff the laser weapons proficiency - they'd still get damage mod bonus and +20% damage off the bat. Its a perk

Now look at the armour bonus. Really look at it. Then come back to me and say you want less armour.

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...make the 3 high 2 low slot layout make sense, as well as make its main resistance (15% shield resist vs lasers) be on its higher HP value rather than its lower HP value to match all the other sentinels.

Debuffing proficiency is sort of the entire idea of the sentinel resistances. And so what about the armor resistance - 10% armor resistance to blasters, a shield-damaging weapon... Woohoo. It makes no sense compared to Cal and Gal who resist weapon strong points and is a major downside for both Amarr and Minmatar when it comes to resistances, on top of the fact that the mixed resistance layout is weaker than Cal's both-shield and Gal's both-armor resistances.

The Min sentinel is supposed to be a hit and run suit, meaning shield tanking makes more sense for it. And again, 3 highs and 2 lows means more shield tanking capability, and its main resistance is for shields, making it the only sentinel with its 15% bonus on its lower hp value... I feel like I explained all this in my first post.

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Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 382	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:36:00 - [1] - Quote Given that Minmatar is usually more shield tanked than armor tanked, the slot layout, and that it's supposed to be a speedy, flanky suit, I think the Minmatar Sentinel should have 435 shield and 390 armor instead of 390 shield and 435 armor. This would make the suit much better overall and would make the 3 high 2 low slot layout make sense, as well as make its main resistance (15% shield resist vs lasers) be on its higher HP value rather than its lower HP value to match all the other sentinels.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1915	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:37:00 - [2] - Quote Fine, but only if you eat a turtle click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
DiablosMajora Occultum Scientia Black Flame. 2	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:37:00 - [3] - Quote no Prepare you angus
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1915	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:39:00 - [4] - Quote DiablosMajora wrote: yes click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 53	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:41:00 - [5] - Quote HELL NO change them to: 435 Armor 435 Shields and buff the rest of the minmatar suits to their highest current hp value. I could give you 10 reason why the Dust team cant get the Amarr tank style right but they are all out of care.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1915	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:43:00 - [6] - Quote Dunce Masterson wrote: HELL NO change them to: 160 Armor 160 Shields or 150 armor 150 shields You, you're a ***** idiot. I'm a scout, and I know how much of a ***** idiot that comment is. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 54	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:04:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Dunce Masterson wrote: HELL NO change them to: 160 Armor 160 Shields or 150 armor 150 shields You, you're a ***** idiot. I'm a scout, and I know how much of a ***** idiot that comment is. you jerk I realize my original post was bad i had the medium frames in mind so i fixed my post please fix yours with something constructive. I could give you 10 reason why the Dust team cant get the Amarr tank style right but they are all out of care.
Spike Slania CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 6	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:15:00 - [8] - Quote I'm fine with Minmatar getting only 160 Armor and 160 Shields :P They already have the worst Sentinel out of the 4, so why not just chop off a limb or 2 and call the job finished? Isn't like the Amarr isn't going to turn them into piles of meat at the end of the day. I'm not too far from you, I can't wait to see you, again and again
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 980	Posted - 2014.03.22 09:02:00 - [9] - Quote No. If you want a more consistent answer look at the min logi They swap armour and shield specialisation. The commando is the more shield orientated heavy "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 980	Posted - 2014.03.22 09:13:00 - [10] - Quote Why would you want more shields anyway? Even with the suit to proto you'd only debuff the laser weapons proficiency - they'd still get damage mod bonus and +20% damage off the bat. Its a perk Now look at the armour bonus. Really look at it. Then come back to me and say you want less armour. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"

Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 383	Posted - 2014.03.22 12:22:00 - [11] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Why would you want more shields anyway? Even with the suit to proto you'd only debuff the laser weapons proficiency - they'd still get damage mod bonus and +20% damage off the bat. Its a perk Now look at the armour bonus. Really look at it. Then come back to me and say you want less armour. Quote: ...make the 3 high 2 low slot layout make sense, as well as make its main resistance (15% shield resist vs lasers) be on its higher HP value rather than its lower HP value to match all the other sentinels. Debuffing proficiency is sort of the entire idea of the sentinel resistances. And so what about the armor resistance - 10% armor resistance to blasters, a shield-damaging weapon... Woohoo. It makes no sense compared to Cal and Gal who resist weapon strong points and is a major downside for both Amarr and Minmatar when it comes to resistances, on top of the fact that the mixed resistance layout is weaker than Cal's both-shield and Gal's both-armor resistances. The Min sentinel is supposed to be a hit and run suit, meaning shield tanking makes more sense for it. And again, 3 highs and 2 lows means more shield tanking capability, and its main resistance is for shields, making it the only sentinel with its 15% bonus on its lower hp value... I feel like I explained all this in my first post.
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5306	Posted - 2014.03.22 12:57:00 - [12] - Quote Minmatar in Eve Online use both Shield and Armor tanking, depending on the ship. This isn't so outlandish Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Spike Slania CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 6	Posted - 2014.03.22 16:28:00 - [13] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Why would you want more shields anyway? Even with the suit to proto you'd only debuff the laser weapons proficiency - they'd still get damage mod bonus and +20% damage off the bat. Its a perk Now look at the armour bonus. Really look at it. Then come back to me and say you want less armour. Quote: ...make the 3 high 2 low slot layout make sense, as well as make its main resistance (15% shield resist vs lasers) be on its higher HP value rather than its lower HP value to match all the other sentinels. Debuffing proficiency is sort of the entire idea of the sentinel resistances. And so what about the armor resistance - 10% armor resistance to blasters, a shield-damaging weapon... Woohoo. It makes no sense compared to Cal and Gal who resist weapon strong points and is a major downside for both Amarr and Minmatar when it comes to resistances, on top of the fact that the mixed resistance layout is weaker than Cal's both-shield and Gal's both-armor resistances. The Min sentinel is supposed to be a hit and run suit, meaning shield tanking makes more sense for it. And again, 3 highs and 2 lows means more shield tanking capability, and its main resistance is for shields, making it the only sentinel with its 15% bonus on its lower hp value... I feel like I explained all this in my first post. If my Amarr Sentinel can tank every other Sentinel with a HMG I'm happy. I might have trouble against other Gallente Sentinels, would be nice if my armor resists hybird - rail, but the Caldari could use the handicap Atleast it would be very reduced shield damage from Caldari weapons, it might take awhile for them to shead awhile my shields, but my shields will come back alot faster then my armor will I'm not too far from you, I can't wait to see you, again and again
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 987	Posted - 2014.03.22 18:26:00 - [14] - Quote Shotguns doing -20% damage with no proficiency bonus doesn't appeal to anyone then "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1924	Posted - 2014.03.23 06:05:00 - [15] - Quote Dunce Masterson wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Dunce Masterson wrote: HELL NO change them to: 160 Armor 160 Shields or 150 armor 150 shields You, you're a ***** idiot. I'm a scout, and I know how much of a ***** idiot that comment is. you jerk I realize my original post was bad i had the medium frames in mind so i fixed my post please fix yours with something constructive. I refuse. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5191	Posted - 2014.03.23 06:21:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Minmatar in Eve Online use both Shield and Armor tanking, depending on the ship. This isn't so outlandish My typhoon can confirm. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Snow Turtle R 0 N 1 N 27	Posted - 2014.03.23 09:05:00 - [17] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Fine, but only if you eat a turtle Hey! Leave me out of this! Plus I have been told I taste quite bitter with a hint of spiciness. Caldari LogiScout. Dedicated Saga Pilot. R 0 N 1 N's Official Cannon Fodder. LAV Research's Road-Kill Specialist.
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 890	Posted - 2014.03.23 17:33:00 - [18] - Quote for those of you who dont know... In EVE, Minmatar are (obviously) dual tankers. but that doesnt mean they always have more of one thing over the other. some ships have more shields than armor and others have more armor than shields, so if ccp give a matari suit with more armor than shields, it doesn't bother me because not all minmatar suits should have more shields than armor anyway unless its balanced between shields/armor anyway. so stop complaining that one suit has more armor because they are dual tankers for a reason anyway and any suit can have either more shields/armor Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker


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