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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:39:00 -
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Playing DUST used to be fun for me. I enjoyed the AV versus tanks aspect above all others in chromosome, and hunting marauders used to be a singular joy for me.
since those days AV has become a singular joke, either trivial, or more recently borderline impossible. I used to play AV because it was fun, and being rewarded with a fireball of a burned wreck was awesome.
when tanks became underpowered for most of uprising my joy was lessened by lack of challenge. Now the fun is gone, aand my favorite role is nowa chore, nothing more. I may make cracks about tanker tears but I play roles in games that are fun.
My role is no longer fun and really has not been fun since uprising was introduced, utterly changing the nature of the game.
now AV is once again being nerfed. But we get the consolation prize of being able to farm warpoints instead of being useful assets on the field removing enemy threats. How is this fun?
keep your warpoints and call me when the role is fun again. No, you cannothave my stuff. I'll be needing it again when av and vehiclesare no longer retardedly unbalanced.
no, tanks are not balanced. Balance implies that a single enemy has a chance to defeat you with similar risks to himself. There is no similarity of risk between AV and vehicles. There is little to no fun to be had when I must spend 100k ISK to merely threaten your 50k militia tank. |
bamboo x
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:43:00 -
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The whole reason they buffed tanks though, is because tankers were crying that one jackass with proto swarms can destroy their proto tank.
Unfortunately CCP, instead of making it so two proto swarms can deal with one proto tank, it probably now requires 3 or 4.
With the "limit" of 6 tanks on the field at the same time, the only thing that can counter them is a serious Forge Gunning squad of at least 3 forge gunners and the rest supporting them.
I've spent most of my waking life playing video games. Don't think your SP being higher than my 17M makes you better >:)
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Patrlck 56
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:43:00 -
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Can I have your ISK to pay for my Tanks fueled by your tears? |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:44:00 -
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I don't think anyone is arguing tanks are balanced.
That said, there are lots of other "fun" roles on the battlefield, and it's sad to me that you would quit instead of simply choosing a new one. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8410
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:45:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:The whole reason they buffed tanks though, is because tankers were crying that one jackass with proto swarms can destroy their proto tank.
Unfortunately CCP, instead of making it so two proto swarms can deal with one proto tank, it probably now requires 3 or 4.
With the "limit" of 6 tanks on the field at the same time, the only thing that can counter them is a serious Forge Gunning squad of at least 3 forge gunners and the rest supporting them.
Ultimately when an Aver could put out enough DPS to down a tank in 1 magazine, remain invisible past 50m, be more like 150m away, not even have to aim their own turrets and rely on swarms wierd 180 degree turn mechanics....... something was wrong.
" ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters"
- Malleus Malificorum
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:47:00 -
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Patrlck 56 wrote:Can I have your ISK to pay for my Tanks fueled by your tears?
Tears? No.
I have merely decided to be patient and wait to play again when CCP re-introduces parity and fun. If it never happens so be it.
But the instant CCP releases a patch that I think will make the role fun like chromosome I will need my stuff to make all of you gloating, crowing tanktards scream. See you sooner or later. |
CLONE117
True Pros Forever
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:52:00 -
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the only thing i really complained about in 1.6 for tanks was av nades.. that was it.
although the changes which happened for vehicles didnt change much other than making the tank vs tank area more balanced.
my 300k soma in 1.6 which essentially had the same stats as the current mlt tanks base stats. is just cheaper now.
i can still solo a some of these tanks pretty easily with my extremely cheap av suit. which is just a freaking adv swarm launcher and std av nades on a default mlt fit. |
Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:52:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:snip
when tanks became underpowered for most of uprising my joy was lessened by lack of challenge. Now the fun is gone, aand my favorite role is nowa chore, nothing more.
snip Last year when a militia HAV stayed still, popped after three shots, and I realized it was a new HAV TC it was a recipe for a guilt trip. The "Good Fight " has always been elusive in my case and for the time being it will continue to be as such.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:52:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:The whole reason they buffed tanks though, is because tankers were crying that one jackass with proto swarms can destroy their proto tank.
Unfortunately CCP, instead of making it so two proto swarms can deal with one proto tank, it probably now requires 3 or 4.
One player should destroy one player. Fact.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1743
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:54:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Tears? No.
I have merely decided to be patient and wait to play again when CCP re-introduces parity and fun. If it never happens so be it.
While I feel you, bro, and you know I do... you can't tell me it's not a tears post when you make a "I'm quitting" thread. That's the official stamped and signed definition of tears.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1601
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:56:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Tears? No.
I have merely decided to be patient and wait to play again when CCP re-introduces parity and fun. If it never happens so be it. While I feel you, bro, and you know I do... you can't tell me it's not a tears post when you make a "I'm quitting" thread. That's the official stamped and signed definition of tears. Sure. Why not?
I'll make up for it if there is ever a fix patch that isnt moronic. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:57:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:bamboo x wrote:The whole reason they buffed tanks though, is because tankers were crying that one jackass with proto swarms can destroy their proto tank.
Unfortunately CCP, instead of making it so two proto swarms can deal with one proto tank, it probably now requires 3 or 4. One player should destroy one player. Fact.
However you cannot deny that there is essentially no reason to invest in HAV if they do not fulfil their role in the first place.
1.6 required you to have skill to be a good tanker...but that didnt mean HAV weren't severely UP if you didnt have a cool 10 mill into their operation.
However I salute a fallen adversary and hope you return.....you destroyed my HAV a couple of time in FW.
" ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters"
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Patrlck 56
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:02:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Sure. Why not?
I'll make up for it if there is ever a fix patch that isnt moronic. You can never make up for this.
Making a post that you are quitting, or leaving, or pretty much anything about you not playing the game, is the lowest thing you could do.
This is both a QQ thread and a quitting thread. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1601
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:26:00 -
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Patrlck 56 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Sure. Why not?
I'll make up for it if there is ever a fix patch that isnt moronic. You can never make up for this. Making a post that you are quitting, or leaving, or pretty much anything about you not playing the game, is the lowest thing you could do. This is both a QQ thread and a quitting thread. I take comfort in knowing no one loves you, or really particularly cares about this forum or anyone in it at this point.
the idea that any of our opinions or comments matters in the short or long run is laughable.
im not going to lose any sleep overyour opinion of me but im really tempted to stick around to goad you. Your alts anonymity makes your posts dumber im sure. Post on your main so I can properly mock you. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:33:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Patrlck 56 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Sure. Why not?
I'll make up for it if there is ever a fix patch that isnt moronic. You can never make up for this. Making a post that you are quitting, or leaving, or pretty much anything about you not playing the game, is the lowest thing you could do. This is both a QQ thread and a quitting thread. I take comfort in knowing no one loves you, or really particularly cares about this forum or anyone in it at this point. the idea that any of our opinions or comments matters in the short or long run is laughable. im not going to lose any sleep overyour opinion of me but im really tempted to stick around to goad you. Your alts anonymity makes your posts dumber im sure. Post on your main so I can properly mock you.
It should be pretty clear that he's Patrick57.
I assume he got banned in the great Locking Wars of '14, where so many of our best and brightest were semi-permanently snuffed out by the Tyrannical CCP Lockingbro.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:40:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Patrlck 56 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Sure. Why not?
I'll make up for it if there is ever a fix patch that isnt moronic. You can never make up for this. Making a post that you are quitting, or leaving, or pretty much anything about you not playing the game, is the lowest thing you could do. This is both a QQ thread and a quitting thread. I take comfort in knowing no one loves you, or really particularly cares about this forum or anyone in it at this point. the idea that any of our opinions or comments matters in the short or long run is laughable. im not going to lose any sleep overyour opinion of me but im really tempted to stick around to goad you. Your alts anonymity makes your posts dumber im sure. Post on your main so I can properly mock you. It should be pretty clear that he's Patrick57. I assume he got banned in the great Locking Wars of '14, where so many of our best and brightest were semi-permanently snuffed out by the Tyrannical CCP Lockingbro. So... he is violating a ban to... what? Take away my birthday?
I demand a higher class of troll. Come back when you can do better than empty quote stock phrases. |
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University Ivy League
683
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:40:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:bamboo x wrote:The whole reason they buffed tanks though, is because tankers were crying that one jackass with proto swarms can destroy their proto tank.
Unfortunately CCP, instead of making it so two proto swarms can deal with one proto tank, it probably now requires 3 or 4. One player should destroy one player. Fact.
x number of players vs. y number of players is not a good foundation for balancing. There is no need to make sure every possible match up can fall to 1 v 1 when the cards are on the table and both players are playing smart.
That said, amount of ISK or amount of SP invested is not a good foundation for balancing, either.
Balancing a game is hard work. It's much harder than simply saying this should kill that because 1 player v 1 player, more ISK invested, more SP invested, whatever. I doubt a significant portion of the Dust playerbase has professional experience working with game balance. I'm glad that, though they've clearly made errors, Dust has a professional crew on board.
At least when the **** hits the fan they can choose (though they've seemed to ignore it) to call in the 10 years of experience they have over at CCP Reykjavik.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University Ivy League
683
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:41:00 -
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also i just noticed
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:13:00 -
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I was wondering how long it would take to get the joke. You jerks are all slow. |
Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:16:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I was wondering how long it would take to get the joke. You jerks are all slow.
I don't see it. anyways, I'll just leave this here
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:19:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:One player should destroy one player. Fact. x number of players vs. y number of players is not a good foundation for balancing. There is no need to make sure every possible match up can fall to 1 v 1 when the cards are on the table and both players are playing smart.
The issue is that we are capped at 16 players versus 16 players. So, allowing for roles to be better than others in certain situations, it's still critical that one player always have the same effective strength in a match as one player.
AV players sacrifice their ability to fight infantry in order to fight vehicles. A single player, geared to fight vehicles, should be able to beat a single player in a vehicle. Anything different breaks game balance, since it's impossible to compensate with having more or less players on a team.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:21:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I was wondering how long it would take to get the joke. You jerks are all slow. I don't see it. anyways, I'll just leave this here That would be because you arent all that swift.
more to the point, linking your posts will not get more attention from the devs. Just like they will skip over this thread without looking. That is the joke. No one who matters cares about these posts.
They really should be tagged for humor value. |
DaNizzle4shizle
Pradox XVI Proficiency V.
720
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:24:00 -
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We all feel the pain bro. With armor tanks having a natural base swarm resist of 30%, they are really OP when you hit those hardeners. It becomes 70% resist.
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Michael-J-Fox Richards
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:30:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Patrlck 56 wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Sure. Why not?
I'll make up for it if there is ever a fix patch that isnt moronic. You can never make up for this. Making a post that you are quitting, or leaving, or pretty much anything about you not playing the game, is the lowest thing you could do. This is both a QQ thread and a quitting thread. I take comfort in knowing no one loves you, or really particularly cares about this forum or anyone in it at this point. the idea that any of our opinions or comments matters in the short or long run is laughable. im not going to lose any sleep overyour opinion of me but im really tempted to stick around to goad you. Your alts anonymity makes your posts dumber im sure. Post on your main so I can properly mock you.
he was right about what he said and i care about people on this forum, not you because you're a quitter, but other people
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:37:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Playing DUST used to be fun for me. I enjoyed the AV versus tanks aspect above all others in chromosome, and hunting marauders used to be a singular joy for me.
since those days AV has become a singular joke, either trivial, or more recently borderline impossible. I used to play AV because it was fun, and being rewarded with a fireball of a burned wreck was awesome.
when tanks became underpowered for most of uprising my joy was lessened by lack of challenge. Now the fun is gone, aand my favorite role is nowa chore, nothing more. I may make cracks about tanker tears but I play roles in games that are fun.
My role is no longer fun and really has not been fun since uprising was introduced, utterly changing the nature of the game.
now AV is once again being nerfed. But we get the consolation prize of being able to farm warpoints instead of being useful assets on the field removing enemy threats. How is this fun?
keep your warpoints and call me when the role is fun again. No, you cannothave my stuff. I'll be needing it again when av and vehiclesare no longer retardedly unbalanced.
no, tanks are not balanced. Balance implies that a single enemy has a chance to defeat you with similar risks to himself. There is no similarity of risk between AV and vehicles. There is little to no fun to be had when I must spend 100k ISK to merely threaten your 50k militia tank.
Good to see that you aren't going to quit. I was going to hate hiding your posts. It will balance out and your role will be more like you want it to be, hopefully sooner than later.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
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PAXTON HAILFIRE
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:59:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:One player should destroy one player. Fact. x number of players vs. y number of players is not a good foundation for balancing. There is no need to make sure every possible match up can fall to 1 v 1 when the cards are on the table and both players are playing smart. The issue is that we are capped at 16 players versus 16 players. So, allowing for roles to be better than others in certain situations, it's still critical that one player always have the same effective strength in a match as one player. AV players sacrifice their ability to fight infantry in order to fight vehicles. A single player, geared to fight vehicles, should be able to beat a single player in a vehicle. Anything different breaks game balance, since it's impossible to compensate with having more or less players on a team.
This is true. And with the reduced range of swarms, you have to be in the fight. Everyone and their blind grandmother can see where you are. My gun game is meh, so fighting off a protostomper with my hardly skilled SMG is kind of funny to watch. I can no longer shoot and move and play hide and seek with tanks and infinitry.
So, I switched to a forge. Good gracious that thing is painfully slow. I usually jump into it when getting tank spammed and you barely clone in before 10 stompers and 3 tanks are up your *$$. At least with a heavy I may kill a clone more scrubby than I am. I've racked 25k in damage and no kills. Wtf is that? I just want to get back in my assault suit and pad red clone kdrs. I have no interest in being chased from tank to tank each match. I'm bad enough as it is. At least when LAVs were murder taxis, you could side step them and hear them coming a mile away.
Honestly, nothing has been more frustrating than the tank spam in 1.7. Its not that it isnt fun to see a tank and think, oh crap! Its seeing 3+ and knowing there is little you can do to enjoy some gun battles with reds. Because you will have to deal with the tankS. S capitalized to emphasize so freeking many of them. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.03.20 04:27:00 -
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Dammit what the hell does it take to get a good fiight going on this damn forum anymore? I was expecting to see some sharks with evil creativity going on but instead I get sympathy.
my PS3 fried two months ago, which is why I stopped playing. You really think losing the ability to kill tanks effectively will stop me? I have jeeps, RE And needling people never gets old.
but seriously, what the hell? This was textbook oportunity for you vicious bastards. Bittervet who should know better, qq post, I quit... and all I get is sympathy and one nerd who pulls out the hurr durr I have a tank powered by tears... wouldn't be nearly as bad were there creativity in future posts. I HAVENT HAD A GOOD FIGHT with you nerds in two months and you cant oblige me?
and really adamance? Godin? Soraya? You should know better than to take me seriously.
The surest sign of dust dying is the fading of creative evil amongst the community.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.03.20 04:31:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Dammit what the hell does it take to get a good fiight going on this damn forum anymore? I was expecting to see some sharks with evil creativity going on but instead I get sympathy.
my PS3 fried two months ago, which is why I stopped playing. You really think losing the ability to kill tanks effectively will stop me? I have jeeps, RE And needling people never gets old.
but seriously, what the hell? This was textbook oportunity for you vicious bastards. Bittervet who should know better, qq post, I quit... there was even the halfass attempts to save face and all I get is sympathy and one nerd who pulls out the hurr durr I have a tank powered by tears... wouldn't be nearly as bad were there creativity in his future posts. I HAVENT HAD A GOOD FIGHT with you nerds in two months and you cant oblige me?
and really adamance? Godin? Soraya? You should know better than to take me seriously.
The surest sign of dust dying is the fading of creative evil amongst the community. Perhaps you should do like what the topic says and give up?
Also, I really want to say this now. Forgive me...
Why don't you make like a hockey stick, and get the puck out of here? |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1611
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Posted - 2014.03.20 04:33:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Dammit what the hell does it take to get a good fiight going on this damn forum anymore? I was expecting to see some sharks with evil creativity going on but instead I get sympathy.
my PS3 fried two months ago, which is why I stopped playing. You really think losing the ability to kill tanks effectively will stop me? I have jeeps, RE And needling people never gets old.
but seriously, what the hell? This was textbook oportunity for you vicious bastards. Bittervet who should know better, qq post, I quit... there was even the halfass attempts to save face and all I get is sympathy and one nerd who pulls out the hurr durr I have a tank powered by tears... wouldn't be nearly as bad were there creativity in his future posts. I HAVENT HAD A GOOD FIGHT with you nerds in two months and you cant oblige me?
and really adamance? Godin? Soraya? You should know better than to take me seriously.
The surest sign of dust dying is the fading of creative evil amongst the community. Perhaps you should do like what the topic says and give up? Also, I really want to say this now. Forgive me... Why don't you make like a hockey stick, and get the puck out of here? Goddamit why couldnt you have posted this first? That could have been fun!
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