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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2040
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:45:00 -
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CCP is there any plans to introduce a stasis webifier for vehicles? I think that it would be a good way to put a dent in the HAV spam
Here is my vision on how it should work.
Militia- 70% speed reduction with a radius of 30 meters. One carried with only one deployed at a time.
Standard 70% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried one deployed
Advanced 75% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Prototype 75% speed reduction in a 50 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Have them work like hives except have the FX be red or yellow and have a life span of 3 minutes or so. Of course these are just my ideas so feel free to add you ideas on how they should work or on what you would change. Do you, the community, think that webs would change the AV problem.
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Raoul Duke
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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:56:00 -
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In Starhawk the MTACs have a EMP blast type weapon that completely disables vehicles, you can jump out of course. They could make a light or hvy weapon that works similar to this, maybe not stop it from shooting but it temporarily stops ALL movement of any vehicles hit, DS might need a defense to this since it would mean certain death. If we could have a weapon that functions this way it would help in destroying vehicles, but you would need to be accurate and it would probably need a long cooldown or charge time so it couldn't be spammed. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2042
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:58:00 -
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So a more active web? Have it in a tool version similar to the rep tool?
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Raoul Duke
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1894
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:00:00 -
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That sounds more like a dictor bubble than a SW.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8369
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:00:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:CCP is there any plans to introduce a stasis webifier for vehicles? I think that it would be a good way to put a dent in the HAV spam
Here is my vision on how it should work.
Militia- 70% speed reduction with a radius of 30 meters. One carried with only one deployed at a time.
Standard 70% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried one deployed
Advanced 75% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Prototype 75% speed reduction in a 50 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Have them work like hives except have the FX be red or yellow and have a life span of 3 minutes or so. Of course these are just my ideas so feel free to add you ideas on how they should work or on what you would change. Do you, the community, think that webs would change the AV problem.
Radius? Webifiers are beams.... 30m range?
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2042
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:CCP is there any plans to introduce a stasis webifier for vehicles? I think that it would be a good way to put a dent in the HAV spam
Here is my vision on how it should work.
Militia- 70% speed reduction with a radius of 30 meters. One carried with only one deployed at a time.
Standard 70% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried one deployed
Advanced 75% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Prototype 75% speed reduction in a 50 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Have them work like hives except have the FX be red or yellow and have a life span of 3 minutes or so. Of course these are just my ideas so feel free to add you ideas on how they should work or on what you would change. Do you, the community, think that webs would change the AV problem.
Radius? Webifiers are beams.... 30m range?
Yes, webs are beams that that doesn't mean that they have to be in DUST. I would like to see a deployable web that functions like a hive, meaning that you set it and it emits a web bubble instead of having an active tool. I would take both, a deployable and a tool that offer different functions/stats.
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Raoul Duke
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1044
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:07:00 -
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Webs should be infantry equipment.
Placed like REs. "Tripwire" detonated. Lasts 5-10sec or something (not a long time, but enough for an ambush). Reduces speed by 75%. 10m radius (idk actual measurements; it would be like a nanohive).
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2042
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:10:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:That sounds more like a dictor bubble than a SW.
Yes, dictor bubbles don't allow warping but don't change speed. We cant warp so limiting speed is our only option.
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Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2042
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:11:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Webs should be infantry equipment.
Placed like REs. "Tripwire" detonated. Lasts 5-10sec or something (not a long time, but enough for an ambush). Reduces speed by 75%. 10m radius (idk actual measurements; it would be like a nanohive).
I see them as being more drop and activate than tripwire activated but I am not opposed to having a tripwire version.
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Raoul Duke
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Ayures II
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
559
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:11:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Radius? Webifiers are beams.... 30m range?
Yeah, it should work like remote reps. Or maybe like spike strips that cops use. If a vehicle runs it over, they're slowed X% for X%. |
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Foundation Seldon
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
592
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:17:00 -
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Ayures II wrote:True Adamance wrote:Radius? Webifiers are beams.... 30m range? Yeah, it should work like remote reps. Or maybe like spike strips that cops use. If a vehicle runs it over, they're slowed X% for X%.
This is more or less how I feel like vehicle based webs should function. I'd love to see these things equipped to an LAV that holds a Tank in place until backup arrives. We won't see it until CCP finds a way to make the in-vehicle targetting system much more intuitive though.
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AP Grasshopper
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
211
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:19:00 -
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Would prefer to see it be a vehicle equipment item that is activated from vehicle module wheel similarly to a shield transporter. Ewar equipment isn't fit on the vehicle itself but the pilot suit instead. Or it could just be a high slot item. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2047
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:10:00 -
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I would love to see them in the hands of infantry and on vehicles and both active and passive. When I say active and passive I mean like the difference between a rep tool and rep hive with the tool being active.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:11:00 -
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Foundation Seldon wrote:Ayures II wrote:True Adamance wrote:Radius? Webifiers are beams.... 30m range? Yeah, it should work like remote reps. Or maybe like spike strips that cops use. If a vehicle runs it over, they're slowed X% for X%. This is more or less how I feel like vehicle based webs should function. I'd love to see these things equipped to an LAV that holds a Tank in place until backup arrives. We won't see it until CCP finds a way to make the in-vehicle targetting system much more intuitive though.
I am in agreement.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2048
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Foundation Seldon wrote:Ayures II wrote:True Adamance wrote:Radius? Webifiers are beams.... 30m range? Yeah, it should work like remote reps. Or maybe like spike strips that cops use. If a vehicle runs it over, they're slowed X% for X%. This is more or less how I feel like vehicle based webs should function. I'd love to see these things equipped to an LAV that holds a Tank in place until backup arrives. We won't see it until CCP finds a way to make the in-vehicle targetting system much more intuitive though. I am in agreement.
My problem with webs only being on vehicles is that it would take a vehicle to web a vehicle which is just more vehicle spam to deal with and vehicle spam is what a lot of us are complaining about. People want AV but only want to solo vehicles with the weapon they like. Infantry shouldn't have to have a vehicle to counter a vehicle. Yes, yes, yes it is like that now I know, you don't have to tell me.
The only point I am trying to make is that we, as infantry, should have a way to web a vehicle that doesn't involve another vehicle. I am not saying they are OP/UP, I am not saying they are balanced, I am not saying that CCP are balancing masters or any other words that you think I am trying to say by not saying them. I am only stating that a vehicle web, to me, shouldn't require another vehicle, nothing else. Just that.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:22:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:Foundation Seldon wrote:Ayures II wrote:True Adamance wrote:Radius? Webifiers are beams.... 30m range? Yeah, it should work like remote reps. Or maybe like spike strips that cops use. If a vehicle runs it over, they're slowed X% for X%. This is more or less how I feel like vehicle based webs should function. I'd love to see these things equipped to an LAV that holds a Tank in place until backup arrives. We won't see it until CCP finds a way to make the in-vehicle targetting system much more intuitive though. I am in agreement. My problem with webs only being on vehicles is that it would take a vehicle to web a vehicle which is just more vehicle spam to deal with and vehicle spam is what a lot of us are complaining about. People want AV but only want to solo vehicles with the weapon they like. Infantry shouldn't have to have a vehicle to counter a vehicle. Yes, yes, yes it is like that now I know, you don't have to tell me. The only point I am trying to make is that we, as infantry, should have a way to web a vehicle that doesn't involve another vehicle. I am not saying they are OP/UP, I am not saying they are balanced, I am not saying that CCP are balancing masters or any other words that you think I am trying to say by not saying them. I am only stating that a vehicle web, to me, shouldn't require another vehicle, nothing else. Just that.
Oh I only meant that they should act like rep tools.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2048
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:25:00 -
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Cool. People too often infer something that wasn't meant or try to go off on a tangent on how I am stupid.
May I ask what you don't like about a hive type web?
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:27:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Cool. People too often infer something that wasn't meant or try to go off on a tangent on how I am stupid.
May I ask what you don't like about a hive type web?
Would you hate me if I said "it doesn't work like that in EVE"?
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3186
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:33:00 -
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I think two versions would be in order.
One of the deployable type and one that works like the rep tool (both mentioned above). But I'd like for the stream to come from an active module that allowed you to still sprint. In essence you've tackled the vehicle.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3186
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:34:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I would love to see them in the hands of infantry and on vehicles and both active and passive. When I say active and passive I mean like the difference between a rep tool and rep hive with the tool being active.
And then I read this post.
I like it
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2050
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Cool. People too often infer something that wasn't meant or try to go off on a tangent on how I am stupid.
May I ask what you don't like about a hive type web? Would you hate me if I said "it doesn't work like that in EVE"?
Doesn't hurt me, I am a fanboy but I also think that sometimes things shouldn't work like in EVE. EVE doesn't do many things like DUST and so you can't hate me if I say "this isn't EVE"
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2050
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:44:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think two versions would be in order.
One of the deployable type and one that works like the rep tool (both mentioned above). But I'd like for the stream to come from an active module that allowed you to still sprint. In essence you've tackled the vehicle.
I am up for anything that allows players to create their own solutions to a problem. The active module would be a necessity if I wanted to web a dropship. The range would have to be just right for that and I am not opposed to having a tool that decreased thrust of a DS and didn't let it fly away or some type tether that once deployed would allow the merc to use the tool to hold a DS in place but didn't allow the merc to move from the where the tether was dropped. It has to be fair to pilots and infantry but other than that I am easy.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:48:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Cool. People too often infer something that wasn't meant or try to go off on a tangent on how I am stupid.
May I ask what you don't like about a hive type web? Would you hate me if I said "it doesn't work like that in EVE"? Doesn't hurt me, I am a fanboy but I also think that sometimes things shouldn't work like in EVE. EVE doesn't do many things like DUST and so you can't hate me if I say "this isn't EVE"
No it more than that.
I feel what laws apply to New Eden in EVE need to apply to us. The Stasis Webifier is a beam of sorts, almost like firing one of those nets from a harpoon gun to capture something and I understand the tech behind it.....but I do not really have any knowledge of Webifier fields.....could that be like an interdiction bubble?
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2050
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Posted - 2014.03.19 02:57:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Cool. People too often infer something that wasn't meant or try to go off on a tangent on how I am stupid.
May I ask what you don't like about a hive type web? Would you hate me if I said "it doesn't work like that in EVE"? Doesn't hurt me, I am a fanboy but I also think that sometimes things shouldn't work like in EVE. EVE doesn't do many things like DUST and so you can't hate me if I say "this isn't EVE" No it more than that. I feel what laws apply to New Eden in EVE need to apply to us. The Stasis Webifier is a beam of sorts, almost like firing one of those nets from a harpoon gun to capture something and I understand the tech behind it.....but I do not really have any knowledge of Webifier fields.....could that be like an interdiction bubble?
Yes, like a bubble for setting up traps and blocking off areas but still have an active (like a tool) so a merc could dash out and web a HAV as it passed by for his squad to pop. Bubbles are for warp disruption not speed reduction but yes it would work similar to a bubble, the passive would be be weaker because it is passive but still do the job. Active play should always trump passive but it should not make it useless. Like REs and PMs, REs are active and PMs are passive. REs do more damage because a merc has to do something to make them work.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:07:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Cool. People too often infer something that wasn't meant or try to go off on a tangent on how I am stupid.
May I ask what you don't like about a hive type web? Would you hate me if I said "it doesn't work like that in EVE"? Doesn't hurt me, I am a fanboy but I also think that sometimes things shouldn't work like in EVE. EVE doesn't do many things like DUST and so you can't hate me if I say "this isn't EVE" No it more than that. I feel what laws apply to New Eden in EVE need to apply to us. The Stasis Webifier is a beam of sorts, almost like firing one of those nets from a harpoon gun to capture something and I understand the tech behind it.....but I do not really have any knowledge of Webifier fields.....could that be like an interdiction bubble? Yes, like a bubble for setting up traps and blocking off areas but still have an active (like a tool) so a merc could dash out and web a HAV as it passed by for his squad to pop. Bubbles are for warp disruption not speed reduction but yes it would work similar to a bubble, the passive would be be weaker because it is passive but still do the job. Active play should always trump passive but it should not make it useless. Like REs and PMs, REs are active and PMs are passive. REs do more damage because a merc has to do something to make them work.
The passive would have to have a duration, whether in effect or not and a max deployable of say 2, especially depending on range, and a large visual effect. Otherwise I honestly see this being spammed by everyone and their mothers.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2051
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Posted - 2014.03.19 03:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:The passive would have to have a duration, whether in effect or not and a max deployable of say 2, especially depending on range, and a large visual effect. Otherwise I honestly see this being spammed by everyone and their mothers.
I agree and if you look at the the start of the thread I said this:
Militia- 70% speed reduction with a radius of 30 meters. One carried with only one deployed at a time.
Standard 70% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried one deployed
Advanced 75% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Prototype 75% speed reduction in a 50 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Have them work like hives except have the FX be red or yellow and have a life span of 3 minutes or so.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.19 04:25:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:CCP is there any plans to introduce a stasis webifier for vehicles? I think that it would be a good way to put a dent in the HAV spam
Here is my vision on how it should work.
Militia- 70% speed reduction with a radius of 30 meters. One carried with only one deployed at a time.
Standard 70% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried one deployed
Advanced 75% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Prototype 75% speed reduction in a 50 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Have them work like hives except have the FX be red or yellow and have a life span of 3 minutes or so. Of course these are just my ideas so feel free to add you ideas on how they should work or on what you would change. Do you, the community, think that webs would change the AV problem.
Looks pretty good, although I have a few questions
1. Will their be any counter?
2. Will it work on every vehicle?
3. Will it take into consideration their entrance inertia? Will it be like the vehicle has hit something soft, and slows down to the reduced speed, or will it be like a brick wall
4. Will it affect acceleration?
5. How high will it extend? Will it affect extreme low flying vehicles
6. How visible will it be?
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Sees blueberries start to snipe...
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2052
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Posted - 2014.03.19 04:44:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:CCP is there any plans to introduce a stasis webifier for vehicles? I think that it would be a good way to put a dent in the HAV spam
Here is my vision on how it should work.
Militia- 70% speed reduction with a radius of 30 meters. One carried with only one deployed at a time.
Standard 70% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried one deployed
Advanced 75% speed reduction with a 45 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Prototype 75% speed reduction in a 50 meter radius, two carried and two deployed
Have them work like hives except have the FX be red or yellow and have a life span of 3 minutes or so. Of course these are just my ideas so feel free to add you ideas on how they should work or on what you would change. Do you, the community, think that webs would change the AV problem.
Looks pretty good, although I have a few questions 1. Will their be any counter? 2. Will it work on every vehicle? 3. Will it take into consideration their entrance inertia? Will it be like the vehicle has hit something soft, and slows down to the reduced speed, or will it be like a brick wall 4. Will it affect acceleration? 5. How high will it extend? Will it affect extreme low flying vehicles 6. How visible will it be?
1. Yes, flux grenades and direct damage
2. Yes
3. Yes, The vehicle would slow down rapidly but moving faster when entering would let a pilot escape more quickly.
4. It would reduce top speed by a % but the vehicle would accelerated normally.
5. Deployed units would have a radius mechanic like a nanohive, the radius would be the height and the tool would have a range stat like a rep tool . Yes, if a DS was low enough.
6. Similar to the naonhive FX but a different color or texture, hives are visible even from the overhead map.
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