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Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1462	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:45:00 - [1] - Quote I'm sure we all have our own personal stash of pure meta strategies we have developed over our time playing. Things that seem to make no sense to a non-player, but quickly become the go-to response for the initiated. I tend to dislike them, but I won't really knock those who do them, it's a DEV's job to address them and either remove or condone the behavior. So instead, I'd like to make a list of them here so everyone can have some fun. If I forget any, or you have any personal favorites that you've tinkered out, add them in if you feel like sharing and I'll suss out some research to see how/why they work and what causes them to do so. I'll also be offering comedic commentary and a small change to attempt fixing those that I particularly dislike, but that doesn't mean the thread is 'about' removing them. That's just me not knowing when to can it. The Murder Taxi/Clown Car. The Murder Taxi has been largely dealt with, but you will still sometimes see people with no other goal in life than to run down some poor clone in cold blood. I'll tell you this much, running into an unarmored human going the speed limit will do serious damage to the car as well as him. You'd think the LAVs would at least slow down a bit or suffer scratch damage, the engine is obviously in the hood and some dropsuit probably gets stuck in the space-radiator/heatsink. Maybe make this a module, 'repulsive hardeners', causes damage to those you strike with the vehicle while active, while reducing collision damage. Would legitimize the playstyle. The Clown Car, on the other hand, perpetuates the myth that the Heavy is overly powerful at all distances. I can't really argue that point thanks to the CC tactic, so it's an Ouroboros of argumentative waste. The CC works by driving an LAV to your target, preferably directly inside your target for some Murder Taxi collision damage, then get out and use a CQC weapon (shotgun, HMG) to finish off the disoriented and damaged target. If you take more damage than you are comfortable with, get back in the car and drive away. There is barely any risk, especially if you outfit the car with a few shield extenders and a hardener. The best way to fix this would be to add embark/disembark animations to vehicles, removing the teleportation effect that makes this strategy a core of HMG users everywhere. The Hopping RE-tard I don't really have a name for 'RE-grenade scout' but this sounds comedic. A scout (with dampeners or cardic mods optional) sneaks up to the unsuspecting group/heavy, throws an RE, and HOPS FOR DEAR LIFE! Can even be triggered from beyond the grave, so the suit in question is usually as cheap as can be mustered. As long as you can survive long enough to pull out the trigger, you win. I don't really like the way deployables work at all, and I do wish the RE didn't have to equip the detonator as opposed to just hitting a face button (Circle? Make it a Medium Equipment (grenade slot) and use L2?) but nonetheless I feel this belongs here simply because most people think 'the fuq is he doing?' right before they join the Skyrim Space Program. High Frequency Strafing HFS, or Jitter Strafing, is achieved by rapidly pressing Left and Right inputs alternatively. That's all there is to it. As a non-Aim Assist player, this affects me greatly. Easier to do on a Keyboard as opposed to a Control Stick, but still do-able (though it may damage the stick with all the slamming). The HFS works by causing your avatar on other player's screens to jimmy back and forth very quickly due to the way these kinds of games work. The server predicts where the players are going and what they are doing between updates, so the character slamming left/right/left/etc jumps around alot on their enemy's screen because the server THINKS they will keep moving the one way (and moves their avatar accordingly), then updates that they are moving the other direction (and re-moving the avatar accordingly). This causes your foe to waste time and effort tracking 'you' and shooting ghosts, while you barely feel like you are moving. The best way to counter this would be to add strafe acceleration, causing a person who rapidly strafes to not move at all and the server to reflect this accordingly because it knows you haven't moved enough to accelerate to strafing speed. Derpy Deployables More a 'map awareness' or 'geometry abuse' but still a powerful meta tool, many of us have mastered the art of the derpy deployable. Whether it's a roof that causes them to attach upside down, areas with wonky collision detection, or clipping them into Null Cannons, we have made the failures of the Map Designers into our own personal works of art. The only thing we can hope for is the Map team slowly but surely ironing out the bugs and collision errors. And getting a test server. PLEASE get a test server. Test server players LOVE to tear content to pieces for the sake of SCIENCE!!! Shields as Weapons Zelda Dynasty Warriors is a real thing.
safura trotsky Kill Mode Activated Galactic Skyfleet Empire 52	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:47:00 - [2] - Quote wot Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 526	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:48:00 - [3] - Quote I'm gonna provide an example of meta tactics right now. TL;DR Unleash the Fogwoggler
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3528	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:49:00 - [4] - Quote I wanted to read your post, but instead I used the paragraphs to build a wall. No.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4608	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:52:00 - [5] - Quote High frequency strafing that your describing is mediocre level of strafing. Circle strafing is king. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 5 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
nakaya indigene 0uter.Heaven 166	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:11:00 - [6] - Quote My face exploded when I saw the hopping RE tard. Lol The Jove espier --- my youtube --> NakaNakaNaka
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 273	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:48:00 - [7] - Quote You get a like just for attempting to use the term "Ouroboros" on a vidya game forum.
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1623	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:52:00 - [8] - Quote That post is just the right size... to show up on Google Earth. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2047	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:11:00 - [9] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: The Clown Car, on the other hand, perpetuates the myth that the Heavy is overly powerful at all distances. I would like to propose an alternative name for this "tactic", as I don't believe Clown Car does it proper justice: The Battle Segway or The Fatty Wagon I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
noobsniper the 2nd OLDSPICE. Top Men. 287	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:16:00 - [10] - Quote WALL OF TEXT TL; DR PLOX just call me communist space king noob MAG vet raven ftw Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft

pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 370	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:40:00 - [11] - Quote im pretty sure I read in a bug report, that re-tards would no longer be a thing post 1.8 (no more triggering re's after death)
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1832	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:48:00 - [12] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: im pretty sure I read in a bug report, that re-tards would no longer be a thing post 1.8 (no more triggering re's after death) Wait. So they're changing something that by all accounts has been working as intended since REs were added to the game because it is a "bug"? da fuq? link? Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 272	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:04:00 - [13] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: The Clown Car, on the other hand, perpetuates the myth that the Heavy is overly powerful at all distances. I would like to propose an alternative name for this "tactic", as I don't believe Clown Car does it proper justice: The Battle Segway or The Fatty Wagon I like to call it my Mobility Scooter. cuz I can go go go on my hoverround Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 1053	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:17:00 - [14] - Quote clown car... lol. but whatever, its a simple tactic that uses vehicles in a non just go kill everything kind of way. tanks and ads's are typical and boring, get in go kill. you can find those in any game. But using a dropship to take a high point and using uplinks and forge guns, to provide a spawn point for an entire team, and using an LAV to have a way to ambush people with CQB classes, and parking it at the perfect distance and using it as cover and a getaway, whilst using the range of a gun like the RR.......... that's unique, and its dusts sandbox elements ACTUALLY making the game fun. So when people complain, you tell them to man up, because they got outplayed by tactics they didn't want to counter. When a gun is blatantly OP then you can complain, but when its the player using tactics to own you, and you whine, you deserve to get a ******* dipped in and out of your mouth, which my clone will be happy to do as the rest of nyain watches. Your post is making me facepalm very hard right now.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 320	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:22:00 - [15] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: im pretty sure I read in a bug report, that re-tards would no longer be a thing post 1.8 (no more triggering re's after death) Thats not a bug. Its intended as a last stand type thing. You can no longer trigger when your terminated. This indicates that it is intentional as the dying man triggering a deadman switch...which could be cool as well. you kill the re user, the bombs trigger instantly. -thinks more on this Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Sidearms are terribly underestimated.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1567	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:32:00 - [16] - Quote I like to use the forums to stalk and choose my victims. How meta is that? Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Rusty Shallows 1141	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:38:00 - [17] - Quote Murder Taxi was originally the name for HMG Heavies in LAVs. Anyone who has played this game before 2013 knows that. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:48:00 - [18] - Quote safura trotsky wrote: wot u wot m8
Lucrezia LeGrand 375	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:52:00 - [19] - Quote really? because (while I don't use any of these tactics) I happen to like them. Dust was sold as an open sand-box type of shooter, so when people start using tactics outside the box, or that are unconventional, I applaud them for taking full advantage of the game. If you want people running and shooting each other AND THAT'S IT, then there's call of duty and hundreds of other shooters. Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man).
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13468	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:53:00 - [20] - Quote Any longer and we'd have to give this guy his own wikipedia. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3061	Posted - 2014.03.18 03:57:00 - [21] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Murder Taxi was originally the name for HMG Heavies in LAVs. Anyone who has played this game before 2013 knows that. Clown car is funny, but this is true. My corp mates used this term well before LAVs were used to roadkill.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 281	Posted - 2014.03.18 04:07:00 - [22] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: clown car... lol. but whatever, its a simple tactic that uses vehicles in a non just go kill everything kind of way. tanks and ads's are typical and boring, get in go kill. you can find those in any game. But using a dropship to take a high point and using uplinks and forge guns, to provide a spawn point for an entire team, and using an LAV to have a way to ambush people with CQB classes, and parking it at the perfect distance and using it as cover and a getaway, whilst using the range of a gun like the RR.......... that's unique, and its dusts sandbox elements ACTUALLY making the game fun. So when people complain, you tell them to man up, because they got outplayed by tactics they didn't want to counter. When a gun is blatantly OP then you can complain, but when its the player using tactics to own you, and you whine, you deserve to get a ******* dipped in and out of your mouth, which my clone will be happy to do as the rest of nyain watches. I'm running between objectives with two squadmates. Proto Heavy in a Blood Raider Saga comes flying in from our right flank, runs over squad member 1, the driver jumps out, and he starts spraying his Boundless HMG. I'm instakilled and the second squadmate follows immediately. Luckily, we have a sniper with a line of sight, oh wait, he's already speeding away in his free LAV. Too bad our forger was busy with the two blaster Madrugars ravaging the rest of the team, not like he could have stopped the guy from killing us anyway. Yep, I guess our tactics apparently suck.


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