DUST Search - No need for a weapon/upgrades SP Refund

The Robot Devil wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Why? This.

CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ@CCP_CmdrWang 5h
887,139 #dust514 clones have been destoryed so far, only 112,861 left to go! New stretch goal is set at 2 million kills for 2 million SP!

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https://twitter.com/CCP_CmdrWang

This will benefit everyone. If you're a new player, you get a decent head start. If you're a veteran player, you finally get to finish that specialization you always wanted or just stash it to the side for when the 1.8 dropsuit refund comes in. And with the Omega boosters, that's just making this whole debate about needing a refund on weapons and upgrades that much more pointless.

+1

I would help you argue the point you are trying to make but people are too focused on themselves and not on what might be best for the game. People feel cheated because things change and I understand that. I guess they figure they will only play one suit with one weapon from now on. As the game continues to develop hopefully the balance between suits and weapons will become better and there won't be the OP go to weapon or suit. I think a lot of people who are down on 1.8 will be surprised how much of a difference there will be in fits and how it will impact the game. Whatevs, I have some clones to terminate.

Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...

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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7366	Posted - 2014.03.15 18:38:00 - [1] - Quote Why? This. CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ@CCP_CmdrWang 5h 887,139 #dust514 clones have been destoryed so far, only 112,861 left to go! New stretch goal is set at 2 million kills for 2 million SP! Source: https://twitter.com/CCP_CmdrWang This will benefit everyone. If you're a new player, you get a decent head start. If you're a veteran player, you finally get to finish that specialization you always wanted or just stash it to the side for when the 1.8 dropsuit refund comes in. And with the Omega boosters, that's just making this whole debate about needing a refund on weapons and upgrades that much more pointless. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Senator Snipe Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 118	Posted - 2014.03.15 18:40:00 - [2] - Quote If we don't get a respec cus of this, i will add you to my watchlist and hunt you down I am a heavy professional. When it comes to Forging, i am unmatchable.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7366	Posted - 2014.03.15 18:43:00 - [3] - Quote Senator Snipe wrote: If we don't get a respec cus of this, i will add you to my watchlist and hunt you down Oh, we're getting a suit respec anyways. That's been confirmed on the dev blogs. I just doubt we're getting a weapon/upgrades respec because of this event alone. 2 million SP is a lot you know. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Croned Gallente Federation 638	Posted - 2014.03.15 18:46:00 - [4] - Quote Lol to all of the people who complained about not getting a Dropsuit Upgrades skill respec. They were so quick to judge. Son of a plasma cannon!
safura trotsky Kill Mode Activated Galactic Skyfleet Empire 41	Posted - 2014.03.15 18:52:00 - [5] - Quote Senator Snipe wrote: If we don't get a respec cus of this, i will add you to my watchlist and hunt you down it's already confirmed, there is only a dropsuit command respec....have you been living under a rock? Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7366	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:06:00 - [6] - Quote Overall, we are now starting to see why CCP decided not to give us the refund on the upgrades and weapons. It's because 2 million FREE SP alone is more than enough to compensate. And if you have an Omega booster, you are balling. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2072	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:09:00 - [7] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Why? This. CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ@CCP_CmdrWang 5h 887,139 #dust514 clones have been destoryed so far, only 112,861 left to go! New stretch goal is set at 2 million kills for 2 million SP! Source: https://twitter.com/CCP_CmdrWang This will benefit everyone. If you're a new player, you get a decent head start. If you're a veteran player, you finally get to finish that specialization you always wanted or just stash it to the side for when the 1.8 dropsuit refund comes in. And with the Omega boosters, that's just making this whole debate about needing a refund on weapons and upgrades that much more pointless. nope still need the AR is still useless therefore I have 2M SP that I can't ever take advantage of. For the Federation!
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 265	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:10:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Overall, we are now starting to see why CCP decided not to give us the refund on the upgrades and weapons. It's because 2 million FREE SP alone is more than enough to compensate. And if you have an Omega booster, you are balling. Booster won't apply to more than the first 1m of the event reward. Can't rem where I read it, so much info all over the place. Pity, but hey-ho, 3m ain't bad
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 602	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:21:00 - [9] - Quote 2 million (likely to be 3 million at this rate) is more SP than I would have reassigned from a full respec by dropping the weapons I don't use anymore go figure
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 553	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:35:00 - [10] - Quote I think the idea that more racial weapons being in the pipeline makes more sense than the SP event. What would be the point in offering a weapon respec when they are still going through so many changes? It would make more sense to do it down the line when most of the major shifts in weaponry are out of the way. The SP event is just to tide us over, and apply weapons to new suit roles some people might have. That is my take anyways. Looking for the scout hangout?

Rusty Shallows 1122	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:45:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Overall, we are now starting to see why CCP decided not to give us the refund on the upgrades and weapons. It's because 2 million FREE SP alone is more than enough to compensate. And if you have an Omega booster, you are balling. I'm certainly happy enough CCP is offering a generous stretch goal generated from an offhandedly post. That however isn't a reason. The closest we got was the guy who points out if there was to be a weapon refund it should happen after the main inventory came out. That may not line up with the last update but it does make sense in the black-hole that is CCP's logic. On that note CCP is being inconsistent and unprofessional with these updates. No one knows what is going on or why. This flaw in the company is terrible for a twenty-first century socially networked game. Lastly the QQ-Argument is a fallacy. An element of Ad Hominem which discredits the author. The only appropriate time would be self deprecating humor, optionally in conjunction with a point being made. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 627	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:48:00 - [12] - Quote 3,380,000 SP is badass for an event. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3054	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:54:00 - [13] - Quote It's nice, but the 3m wasted in AR and SMG still festers. Refund it or fix it, I don't care which.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7552	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:47:00 - [14] - Quote More free SP is never a valid excuse for no refunds. All this does is give the people who don't have to change tanking types due to new suit availability or change weapons due to new bonuses an even bigger advantage over everyone who do. Basically everyone who already has their upgrades and weapons done properly for their fits (this would include myself) are given bonus SP to use on whatever while everyone else must use the SP to catch up. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 334	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:50:00 - [15] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Why? This. CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ@CCP_CmdrWang 5h 887,139 #dust514 clones have been destoryed so far, only 112,861 left to go! New stretch goal is set at 2 million kills for 2 million SP! Source: https://twitter.com/CCP_CmdrWang This will benefit everyone. If you're a new player, you get a decent head start. If you're a veteran player, you finally get to finish that specialization you always wanted or just stash it to the side for when the 1.8 dropsuit refund comes in. And with the Omega boosters, that's just making this whole debate about needing a refund on weapons and upgrades that much more pointless. Of course there's a need to respec weapons, Thery're removing near 20% damage from Rail Rifles so I want to change to HMG, Oh, can't no skill in HMG, :( I'm sure there will be a few in this position too. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 819	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:02:00 - [16] - Quote I wonder if the people that won't be able to play 10 games this event would agree with you.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 723	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:24:00 - [17] - Quote I don't think you can say "no need for a weapon/upgrades refund because of this event." The same arguments still apply; "changing from a Amarr Commando to a Caldari Commando means that points in Scrambler Rifles are wasted and the idea was to not be penalized for changing to a certain race's variant from your role." The million SP just means that it is less significant of a hurt not having those. I really doubt this event had anything to do with the respec or lack thereof because it doesn't make any sense. "Instead of letting people redo their Infantry choices, we have decided to give them 1, 1.5, 2, 3, or 4 million SP depending on where they hit the goals and their boosters." That's like an automotive company not replacing/refunding the car you bought because it was sold under false implications and instead saying "you have to keep the car but here's 100,000 dollars." For most people, I assume getting 4 million SP is a hell of a lot more than they would free up from a respec. For me, I would lose points in AR which amounts to about a million or so, want points out of weapon upgrades, and get back 12k here and there from not wanting to ever use a Laser Rifle, Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon, or Nova Knife again. 4 Million SP is probably about twice that. So, for me and many other, this event is worth more than a Weaponry refund and probably on par with a Weaponry+Upgrades refund IF you have a booster on. The argument there is now "because I didn't pay, I don't get a 'refund'?" I still think there should have been a refund, at least for Weaponry. Am I still sad that there wasn't? Yes. Am I happy that I can potentially get 4 million SP, about 1/6 of what I currently have? I am but still annoyed to see that I have points in a dirty Gallente weapon...
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 230	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:29:00 - [18] - Quote It's simple. CCP wouldn't make as much money if they did a weapon respec. Because everyone's going to buy boosters to get into the fancy new sidearms. As they are already doing with this event and the 3-day Omega they're selling exclusively for it. hackable ladders ftw
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 230	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:33:00 - [19] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Of course there's a need to respec weapons, Thery're removing near 20% damage from Rail Rifles so I want to change to HMG, Oh, can't no skill in HMG, :( I'm sure there will be a few in this position too. Now you know how the people you killed with assault rifles felt, *******! LMFAO I will drink your tears! hackable ladders ftw
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1962	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:36:00 - [20] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Why? This. CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ@CCP_CmdrWang 5h 887,139 #dust514 clones have been destoryed so far, only 112,861 left to go! New stretch goal is set at 2 million kills for 2 million SP! Source: https://twitter.com/CCP_CmdrWang This will benefit everyone. If you're a new player, you get a decent head start. If you're a veteran player, you finally get to finish that specialization you always wanted or just stash it to the side for when the 1.8 dropsuit refund comes in. And with the Omega boosters, that's just making this whole debate about needing a refund on weapons and upgrades that much more pointless. +1 I would help you argue the point you are trying to make but people are too focused on themselves and not on what might be best for the game. People feel cheated because things change and I understand that. I guess they figure they will only play one suit with one weapon from now on. As the game continues to develop hopefully the balance between suits and weapons will become better and there won't be the OP go to weapon or suit. I think a lot of people who are down on 1.8 will be surprised how much of a difference there will be in fits and how it will impact the game. Whatevs, I have some clones to terminate. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke

JIMvc2 BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:37:00 - [21] - Quote Senator Snipe wrote: If we don't get a respec cus of this, i will add you to my watchlist and hunt you down You hunt him down. I'll hunt you down. If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 816	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:47:00 - [22] - Quote I have 14 mil in weapons. How will these 2 mil help me? Please take away Glogi bonuss towards scanners. It means only gallente scouts are viable in a match with wallhack users
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 335	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:56:00 - [23] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: Of course there's a need to respec weapons, Thery're removing near 20% damage from Rail Rifles so I want to change to HMG, Oh, can't no skill in HMG, :( I'm sure there will be a few in this position too. Now you know how the people you killed with assault rifles felt, *******! LMFAO I will drink your tears! I doubt it, With 3 proto suits, I'll actually have more than enough points to spec where I want , It was to make a point !, for those who cannot. ! The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 187	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:58:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Why? This. CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ@CCP_CmdrWang 5h 887,139 #dust514 clones have been destoryed so far, only 112,861 left to go! New stretch goal is set at 2 million kills for 2 million SP! Source: https://twitter.com/CCP_CmdrWang This will benefit everyone. If you're a new player, you get a decent head start. If you're a veteran player, you finally get to finish that specialization you always wanted or just stash it to the side for when the 1.8 dropsuit refund comes in. And with the Omega boosters, that's just making this whole debate about needing a refund on weapons and upgrades that much more pointless. That wont replace the 3 million sp I have in dropsuits. So no Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 804	Posted - 2014.03.15 21:59:00 - [25] - Quote Def takes the sting off not getting a weapon respec imho. 4 million SP is a big chunk of SP. I can switch to an armor scout if I wanted now...
Senator Snipe Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 124	Posted - 2014.03.16 01:57:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: If we don't get a respec cus of this, i will add you to my watchlist and hunt you down Oh, we're getting a suit respec anyways. That's been confirmed on the dev blogs. I just doubt we're getting a weapon/upgrades respec because of this event alone. 2 million SP is a lot you know. wtf? 2 mill sp is only enough to buy a proto suit. nothing more I am a heavy professional. When it comes to Forging, i am unmatchable.
Senator Snipe Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 124	Posted - 2014.03.16 01:58:00 - [27] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: If we don't get a respec cus of this, i will add you to my watchlist and hunt you down You hunt him down. I'll hunt you down. we are in the same alliance o.o I am a heavy professional. When it comes to Forging, i am unmatchable.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 230	Posted - 2014.03.16 09:44:00 - [28] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Why? This. CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ@CCP_CmdrWang 5h 887,139 #dust514 clones have been destoryed so far, only 112,861 left to go! New stretch goal is set at 2 million kills for 2 million SP! Source: https://twitter.com/CCP_CmdrWang This will benefit everyone. If you're a new player, you get a decent head start. If you're a veteran player, you finally get to finish that specialization you always wanted or just stash it to the side for when the 1.8 dropsuit refund comes in. And with the Omega boosters, that's just making this whole debate about needing a refund on weapons and upgrades that much more pointless. +1 I would help you argue the point you are trying to make but people are too focused on themselves and not on what might be best for the game. People feel cheated because things change and I understand that. I guess they figure they will only play one suit with one weapon from now on. As the game continues to develop hopefully the balance between suits and weapons will become better and there won't be the OP go to weapon or suit. I think a lot of people who are down on 1.8 will be surprised how much of a difference there will be in fits and how it will impact the game. Whatevs, I have some clones to terminate. I have no problem not getting a weapon respec, but not getting a dropsuit upgrades respec hurts logis quite a bit, especially if they're newer logis who don't have skill points in every equip. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 263	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:11:00 - [29] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Why? This. CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ@CCP_CmdrWang 5h 887,139 #dust514 clones have been destoryed so far, only 112,861 left to go! New stretch goal is set at 2 million kills for 2 million SP! Source: https://twitter.com/CCP_CmdrWang This will benefit everyone. If you're a new player, you get a decent head start. If you're a veteran player, you finally get to finish that specialization you always wanted or just stash it to the side for when the 1.8 dropsuit refund comes in. And with the Omega boosters, that's just making this whole debate about needing a refund on weapons and upgrades that much more pointless. nope still need the AR is still useless therefore I have 2M SP that I can't ever take advantage of. AR is useless??? I'd suggest maybe you are just useless with the AR?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3510	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:25:00 - [30] - Quote Yea, pretty much. I'm stowing it away. Michael is already in the class he needs to be in (Logibrosef/Assaulty) Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?

jerrmy12 kahoalii 519	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:27:00 - [31] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I have 14 mil in weapons. How will these 2 mil help me? Wth would you spend that much in weapons....any more than 6 mil ap is a waste and ahoukd be saved for last... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 408	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:31:00 - [32] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Why? This. CCP_CmdrWang GÇÅ@CCP_CmdrWang 5h 887,139 #dust514 clones have been destoryed so far, only 112,861 left to go! New stretch goal is set at 2 million kills for 2 million SP! Source: https://twitter.com/CCP_CmdrWang This will benefit everyone. If you're a new player, you get a decent head start. If you're a veteran player, you finally get to finish that specialization you always wanted or just stash it to the side for when the 1.8 dropsuit refund comes in. And with the Omega boosters, that's just making this whole debate about needing a refund on weapons and upgrades that much more pointless. At some point we al have to move on. My self think it should have been a full respect and could go on and on about that but I just don c what good comes out of draging this out any more Of course you may disagree War never changes
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3511	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:43:00 - [33] - Quote If you say the R word...they will come and lock your thread Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1045	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:48:00 - [34] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: More free SP is never a valid excuse for no refunds. All this does is give the people who don't have to change tanking types due to new suit availability or change weapons due to new bonuses an even bigger advantage over everyone who do. Basically everyone who already has their upgrades and weapons done properly for their fits (this would include myself) are given bonus SP to use on whatever while everyone else must use the SP to catch up. Yea but Aero - that is the very nature of this game. The vets and the older characters will always have an SP advantage - Just as they do in EVE. The weapon respec calls are more a matter of proper weapon balance or lack thereof. Like I have said in other threads, after 1.8 drops sure there will be TTK changes. I would just hope that not too long afterwards CCP will look at making each and every weapon both viable and NOT OP by nature of some tweaks and changes. It wouldn't take too much to do but of course I would expect anything like that to come until after fanfest. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB ZERG EVENT 1MILLION CLONES! LETS DO THIS


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