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SoTa'S PoP
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:06:00 -
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That the dropsuit command respec isnt enough? 1. Weapons nerf. Verse 1, has anyone asked for a nerf of all weapons minus the heavy & mass driver? assault rifles werent that powerful scrambler assault wasnt that op neither forges sucked from previous nerf, mass drivers seriously tho? only guns really needed a nerf were the combat rifle and the rail simply because they were to damn op. and damage mods they didnt really need a nerf only thing that needed to happen with them was a simple one module use per suit. sort of like you do with the speed modules on the tanks.
2. How is it fair for us to have to deal with a weapons nerf especially most who didnt ask for the nerf but are recieving one anyway? and why not just give a full respec since you are power nerfing everything anyway? now this sounds like a QQ but its not im simply looking for answers.
3. is the release of the new suits going to buff price value sp wise of the suits already there and are the new suits going to cost more? because if this is so then definetly give us a full respec.
4. whats going to be done about AV? damage mods are useless now which in my book its ok because real gun game now somewhat counts but how will this help the AV now that tanks are going to be strong still and AV is well SAD. a swarm launcher does nothing to a shield tank due to the swarms being for armor but still should impact somewhat because its rockets duhh. and to armor with the new speed a tank can easily take off and swarms well are once again useless. so my question is when will AV get a buff? its needed badly.
5. what will happen to all the sp spent on things that counted before bonuses were added to them such as uplinks? because in order to receive the bonus you have to be set up in a certain race and suit right? sooo what happend to the sp spent on things we used daily and can no longer use now because you did your tweaks to them? is it fair for people to lose the time and sp put in for this? NO. dissapointing in my opinion but im used to being let down by you CCP. you would think that the negativity from the community comes from somewhere or from a reason. SMH get it together CCP they hype that this game had never got here. when will you live up to your hype?
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Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2278
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:07:00 -
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Atleast a dropsuit upgrades respec I'll probably never touch a logi suit again.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Fyra Yacile
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:11:00 -
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SoTa'S PoP wrote:That the dropsuit command respec isnt enough? 1. Weapons nerf. Verse 1, has anyone asked for a nerf of all weapons minus the heavy & mass driver? assault rifles werent that powerful scrambler assault wasnt that op neither forges sucked from previous nerf, mass drivers seriously tho? only guns really needed a nerf were the combat rifle and the rail simply because they were to damn op. and damage mods they didnt really need a nerf only thing that needed to happen with them was a simple one module use per suit. sort of like you do with the speed modules on the tanks.
2. How is it fair for us to have to deal with a weapons nerf especially most who didnt ask for the nerf but are recieving one anyway? and why not just give a full respec since you are power nerfing everything anyway? now this sounds like a QQ but its not im simply looking for answers.
3. is the release of the new suits going to buff price value sp wise of the suits already there and are the new suits going to cost more? because if this is so then definetly give us a full respec.
4. whats going to be done about AV? damage mods are useless now which in my book its ok because real gun game now somewhat counts but how will this help the AV now that tanks are going to be strong still and AV is well SAD. a swarm launcher does nothing to a shield tank due to the swarms being for armor but still should impact somewhat because its rockets duhh. and to armor with the new speed a tank can easily take off and swarms well are once again useless. so my question is when will AV get a buff? its needed badly.
5. what will happen to all the sp spent on things that counted before bonuses were added to them such as uplinks? because in order to receive the bonus you have to be set up in a certain race and suit right? sooo what happend to the sp spent on things we used daily and can no longer use now because you did your tweaks to them? is it fair for people to lose the time and sp put in for this? NO. dissapointing in my opinion but im used to being let down by you CCP. you would think that the negativity from the community comes from somewhere or from a reason. SMH get it together CCP they hype that this game had never got here. when will you live up to your hype?
Yeap I completely agree ..
If this is CCPs decision then the least they could do is explain WHY they came to this decision |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1054
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:13:00 -
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We are not getting a weaponry respec until full weapon parity has been achieved. We are still missing three melee weapons, Minmatar precision rifle, and two heavy weapons. When we have all of those we will get a respec, I bet.
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1961
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:14:00 -
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Here's a hint: We get a Dropsuit Respec because the missing racial dropsuits were released. We're not getting a respec because the stats of the dropsuits chnged. And we certainly will never get a respec because something was nerfed/buffed.
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SoTa'S PoP
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:15:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Atleast a dropsuit upgrades respec I'll probably never touch a logi suit again.
still they seem to be doing things half a$$ nothing about a nerf was mentioned to all other weapons except charge scrambler, rail rifle, and combat rifle.
now the ar is officially useless and will just sit in my spent sp slot when i can use the sp for other things that can actually make my race suit work as intended.
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TheDarthMa94
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
171
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:17:00 -
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A drop suit command respec is better than nothing, so i'm satisfied
Sith Apprentice and Director of NAO
"Hahahah, another raspberry bites the dust!"
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SoTa'S PoP
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:20:00 -
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TheDarthMa94 wrote:A drop suit command respec is better than nothing, so i'm satisfied
i agree with you but still feel like ccp took a crap on us.
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
70
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:25:00 -
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Nope, all I hear is whine. Now where did I leave that cheese........ |
SoTa'S PoP
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:26:00 -
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SoTa'S PoP wrote:That the dropsuit command respec isnt enough? 1. Weapons nerf. Verse 1, has anyone asked for a nerf of all weapons minus the heavy & mass driver? assault rifles werent that powerful scrambler assault wasnt that op neither forges sucked from previous nerf, mass drivers seriously tho? only guns really needed a nerf were the combat rifle and the rail simply because they were to damn op. and damage mods they didnt really need a nerf only thing that needed to happen with them was a simple one module use per suit. sort of like you do with the speed modules on the tanks.
2. How is it fair for us to have to deal with a weapons nerf especially most who didnt ask for the nerf but are recieving one anyway? and why not just give a full respec since you are power nerfing everything anyway? now this sounds like a QQ but its not im simply looking for answers.
3. is the release of the new suits going to buff price value sp wise of the suits already there and are the new suits going to cost more? because if this is so then definetly give us a full respec.
4. whats going to be done about AV? damage mods are useless now which in my book its ok because real gun game now somewhat counts but how will this help the AV now that tanks are going to be strong still and AV is well SAD. a swarm launcher does nothing to a shield tank due to the swarms being for armor but still should impact somewhat because its rockets duhh. and to armor with the new speed a tank can easily take off and swarms well are once again useless. so my question is when will AV get a buff? its needed badly.
5. what will happen to all the sp spent on things that counted before bonuses were added to them such as uplinks? because in order to receive the bonus you have to be set up in a certain race and suit right? sooo what happend to the sp spent on things we used daily and can no longer use now because you did your tweaks to them? is it fair for people to lose the time and sp put in for this? NO. dissapointing in my opinion but im used to being let down by you CCP. you would think that the negativity from the community comes from somewhere or from a reason. SMH get it together CCP they hype that this game had never got here. when will you live up to your hype?
edit: Not to mention they threw an sp event for a million clones if you have a booster. so in other words i have to pay to make extra sp. nice scam so im basically screwed if i dont pay for a booster. crock of Sh** |
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1054
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:28:00 -
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SoTa'S PoP wrote:Not to mention they threw an sp event for a million clones if you have a booster. so in other words i have to pay to make extra sp. nice scam so im basically screwed if i dont pay for a booster. crock of Sh**
Oh come off it. You can still get ONLY 1,000,000 SP if you don't buy a booster. That's a lot of SP. In passive terms, that's 25 days worth of SP...
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
71
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:41:00 -
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Hhmmm I'll need something stronger to go with this thread. Perhaps a nice stilton? |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
3101
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:41:00 -
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SoTa'S PoP wrote:TheDarthMa94 wrote:A drop suit command respec is better than nothing, so i'm satisfied i agree with you but still feel like ccp took a crap on us.
STFU scrub u just still pi$$y cause u wasted SP in the flaylock..
don't lie
I think the dropsuit command respec. on deck falls in line with what CCP has done and everyone should be satisfied with it.
Come the day we have the full complement of weapons (each type per race, like we now have for suits), then at that point I would expect to see a weapon respec.
Dropsuit upgrades, I only see things becoming unallocated if they remove a skill, or (what they SHOULD do) if they drastically change the meaning of a particular skill, but an across the board respec (much as I would like it... I mean shield regulators WTF) in innate skills that everyone should want anyway, doesn't make sense.
as for the other SoTa QQ stuff..
I understand the need to increase TTK, but this is all way overboard, and the ADDITIONAL AV nerf with no change to the already excessive tankspam we see is just going to get worse...
I agree the RR and CR were the only things that really needed addressed, but then again if efficiencies actually worked on all weapons we probably wouldn't QQ so much about the RR and CR either...
shields vs armor makes little difference in this game currently, just total HP cause both melt just as fast regardless of the 'efficiency' of your weapon
You should never underestimate the
predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1007
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:44:00 -
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1. Rebalance doesn't warrant a respec.
2. Rebalance doesn't warrant a respec.
3. I'm pretty sure the SP costs are going to be the same 4x for the frame 8x for specialized suit
4. Nothing's been said definitively. I'd imagine that nothing will be done this patch vehicle/AV-wise because of all the new content. 1.9 might be more balance oriented for both 1.7 and 1.8 issues, but we'll see.
5. The nerfed equipment will still be usable. Spawn points outside the spawn are still useful, repair tools are still better than repairers, etc. You don't need to get all 4 proto suits to use all the equipment and without them you can still be viable.
Me in my ADS: 1,2
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SoTa'S PoP
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:47:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:SoTa'S PoP wrote:TheDarthMa94 wrote:A drop suit command respec is better than nothing, so i'm satisfied i agree with you but still feel like ccp took a crap on us. STFU scrub u just still pi$$y cause u wasted SP in the flaylock.. don't lie I think the dropsuit command respec. on deck falls in line with what CCP has done and everyone should be satisfied with it. Come the day we have the full complement of weapons (each type per race, like we now have for suits), then at that point I would expect to see a weapon respec. Dropsuit upgrades, I only see things becoming unallocated if they remove a skill, or (what they SHOULD do) if they drastically change the meaning of a particular skill, but an across the board respec (much as I would like it... I mean shield regulators WTF) in innate skills that everyone should want anyway, doesn't make sense. as for the other SoTa QQ stuff.. I understand the need to increase TTK, but this is all way overboard, and the ADDITIONAL AV nerf with no change to the already excessive tankspam we see is just going to get worse... I agree the RR and CR were the only things that really needed addressed, but then again if efficiencies actually worked on all weapons we probably wouldn't QQ so much about the RR and CR either... shields vs armor makes little difference in this game currently, just total HP cause both melt just as fast regardless of the 'efficiency' of your weapon but i wuv my flaylocks. |
Regnier Feros
Immortal Guides
37
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:48:00 -
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ar useless? how? i could have swore it was the player not the weapon.
Minmatar Women Do It Better
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William HBonney
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
395
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Posted - 2014.03.14 13:58:00 -
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a big problem with equipment is the increase to its PG and CPU, if you were an assualt or a scout, your loadouts will no longer work. Hell, if you are not an Amar logi why use uplinks? In a PC taking another 5 seconds to spawn will mean a loss, not having a caldari logi scan means you will not see the enemy, even though they just changed the suits and bonuses they drastically changed how the gameplay will be. People are still thinking scouts or heavies, but they fail to think how the scout alpha damage has been nerfed, so a heavy will be able to turn on them and he still needs .3 seconds to shred you.
It is pretty much a whole new world not just a litte tweek. I got lucky and will still be able to run what I want to, but I know plenty of people who playstyle is now completely gone, and who wants to grind for another month just to fit into another role, which may or may not be changed.....it now has become the fear of the unknown...getting $ for boosters is silly because people hate the grind, 12 hours a week on a game is annoying. Make different level repec options. 5000 aurum for 1 mil sp, 10k for 2 mil, CCP will be rolling in money, and as for the FOTM, that is all on CCP for not knowing how to balance ****. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1572
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:13:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:SoTa'S PoP wrote:Not to mention they threw an sp event for a million clones if you have a booster. so in other words i have to pay to make extra sp. nice scam so im basically screwed if i dont pay for a booster. crock of Sh** Oh come off it. You can still get ONLY 1,000,000 SP if you don't buy a booster. That's a lot of SP. In passive terms, that's 25 days worth of SP...
Closer to 35 days
Unless you're just addicted to wetsuit paperdolls...
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William HBonney
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
395
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:34:00 -
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who cares how long in passive it is. 1 mil sp will not put you in proto suits, hell, we don't even know how much it will take yet. |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
1143
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:43:00 -
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I would like to get rid of my Swarms and all the prof and skills in it. Don't care about any other ones. I wanna get some good remotes and follow the only Viable AV path... Apparently Remotes were designed to be the most effective AV...
Working as intended |
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Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
430
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:44:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:We are not getting a weaponry respec until full weapon parity has been achieved. We are still missing three melee weapons, Minmatar precision rifle, and two heavy weapons. When we have all of those we will get a respec, I bet.
Nope thats not a issue, how i tol in few threads before, CPM Iron saber wolfie told already:"I dont think, there will be weapon respec."
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator/Logician
BHD since MAG
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1061
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Posted - 2014.03.14 14:45:00 -
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Sam Tektzby wrote:Nope thats not a issue, how i tol in few threads before, CPM Iron saber wolfie told already:"I dont think, there will be weapon respec."
Fair enough. Link to that post?
Or, if ISW is reading: can you confirm you said this?
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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ANON Illuminati
587
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Posted - 2014.03.21 00:19:00 -
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waiting for this respec im soooo anxious
I Sware It Wasnt Me
YOU LOVE MY OP-NES
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DAMIOS82
ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION
89
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Posted - 2014.03.21 00:33:00 -
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You'll never get a weapon respec. The suits respec is because the dropsuit in a way defines your race that you like to play with and It represents the way one looks on the field of war. Weapons for the most part are allready there, despite a few missing and will be continuously added to. Plus it does not define the races, since each weapon is unique on its own. Meaning whether i'm a caldari hvy using a hmg or forge does not define my race since both weapons have there own roles as weapons. Yes they have there race classification, but that is more in a way of saying who made them. EVE works in the same way; the pilots and ships are unique to each race, but the weapons are commen ground to all races. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
276
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Posted - 2014.03.21 01:07:00 -
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SoTa'S PoP wrote:TheDarthMa94 wrote:A drop suit command respec is better than nothing, so i'm satisfied i agree with you but still feel like ccp took a crap on us.
OMG entitled brat shut your god damn **** holster! |
Patrlck 56
70
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Posted - 2014.03.21 01:19:00 -
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What is a Heavy supposed to do with Forge Gun and/or HMG Proficiency V if they switch to a suit that can't even use Heavy weapons? |
Patrlck 56
70
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Posted - 2014.03.21 01:20:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:waiting for this respec im soooo anxious
Wrong character this time? |
Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
907
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Posted - 2014.03.21 01:21:00 -
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I think a weapon respec should have been given.
But I am also grateful that I was given a dropsuit respec in the first place.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
Fixed link.
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Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
121
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Posted - 2014.03.21 01:40:00 -
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What negatives are there to a respec?
I'm right behind you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=29eS4dXgT58#t=36
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
767
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Posted - 2014.03.21 01:57:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:We are not getting a weaponry respec until full weapon parity has been achieved. We are still missing three melee weapons, Minmatar precision rifle, and two heavy weapons. When we have all of those we will get a respec, I bet.
This is my reading too though I don't necessarily think there will be full parity for melee weapons simply because of the redundancy of having four melee weapons.
Here is where things get interesting though: what if the weapons are added slowly, over time? They release the Minmatar heavy grenade launcher and the Amarr heavy pulse laser in one patch. They wait two months and release the Precision Rifle. Another month or two and they release a bunch of other weapons. In that situation, it isn't "racial parity" like it was with the Dropsuits; it is just adding content into the game like the Rail Rifle, Combat Rifle, and Scrambler Rifle.
I think it is a high probability that I will end up keeping my points in AR because of the trickle of content rather than a true flood. |
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
767
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Posted - 2014.03.21 02:02:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:What negatives are there to a respec?
Devil's Advocate:
Choice matters less. This is a game where putting your points in something has to matter. If there were respecs, it wouldn't matter as much meaning even having the SP system would be pointless. Respecs/Refunds are disruptive to play with people going straight into the flavor of the month. Same thing happens when you give out SP; look at all the threads about ADS/Proto Spam because of the 2/2.5/3 million SP everyone got. Therefore, unless there is a massive disruption to the skill system such as the vehicle redesign in 1.7 or the Dropsuit Parity in 1.8, respecs should be avoided at all costs.
In short: "the game is more hardcore and serious if there are no respecs, which puts it closer to EVE, which is the current unique selling point of DUST at the moment." |
Cotsy8
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
51
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Posted - 2014.03.21 02:10:00 -
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SoTa'S PoP wrote:That the dropsuit command respec isnt enough? 1. Weapons nerf. Verse 1, has anyone asked for a nerf of all weapons minus the heavy & mass driver? assault rifles werent that powerful scrambler assault wasnt that op neither forges sucked from previous nerf, mass drivers seriously tho? only guns really needed a nerf were the combat rifle and the rail simply because they were to damn op. and damage mods they didnt really need a nerf only thing that needed to happen with them was a simple one module use per suit. sort of like you do with the speed modules on the tanks.
2. How is it fair for us to have to deal with a weapons nerf especially most who didnt ask for the nerf but are recieving one anyway? and why not just give a full respec since you are power nerfing everything anyway? now this sounds like a QQ but its not im simply looking for answers.
3. is the release of the new suits going to buff price value sp wise of the suits already there and are the new suits going to cost more? because if this is so then definetly give us a full respec.
4. whats going to be done about AV? damage mods are useless now which in my book its ok because real gun game now somewhat counts but how will this help the AV now that tanks are going to be strong still and AV is well SAD. a swarm launcher does nothing to a shield tank due to the swarms being for armor but still should impact somewhat because its rockets duhh. and to armor with the new speed a tank can easily take off and swarms well are once again useless. so my question is when will AV get a buff? its needed badly.
5. what will happen to all the sp spent on things that counted before bonuses were added to them such as uplinks? because in order to receive the bonus you have to be set up in a certain race and suit right? sooo what happend to the sp spent on things we used daily and can no longer use now because you did your tweaks to them? is it fair for people to lose the time and sp put in for this? NO. dissapointing in my opinion but im used to being let down by you CCP. you would think that the negativity from the community comes from somewhere or from a reason. SMH get it together CCP they hype that this game had never got here. when will you live up to your hype?
STFU - these threads need to stop.
Until all weapons are introduced there will be no weapon re-spect. Until all vehicles are introduced there will be no vehicle re-spect. Until all equipment is introduced there will be no drop suit command re-spec.
It's highly unlikely there will ever be another re-spec unless CCP makes drastic changes to the skill tree. It's highly unlikely they will give a weapon or equipment re-spec even if player like myself, who has 3.75m SP in equipment for Logi , will ever get that SP reset...even if it makes sense.
The reason for a suit re-spec was that all suits we being released, this won't happen again unless CCP introduced new suits and even then they might choose not to (pilot suit for example prob wont mean another drop suit re-spec). |
DAMIOS82
ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION
89
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Posted - 2014.03.21 09:33:00 -
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Patrlck 56 wrote:What is a Heavy supposed to do with Forge Gun and/or HMG Proficiency V if they switch to a suit that can't even use Heavy weapons?
the only way to do that is, switch to a new suit now and then slowly by playing start adding points into a basic heavy, just not proto anymore. For choice of weapons same, put a few points in a new weapon and voila. Each week if you cap out you should be able to get a new light weapon to lvl 3 and sure it sucks to still have that many points in prof 5, but that's the choices one has made and must live with. There are no do overs in EVE and there should not be any in Dust. |
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