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Fox Gaden wrote:

Disillusionment.

How could CCP not realize that Swarm Launchers and AV Grendes needed a slight buff to achieve the same Vehicle/AV balance that Forge Guns already have in 1.7?

How could CCP not realize that the grenade count reduction, and the TTK changes to Damage Modes, and Proficiency Skill would be a direct nerf to AV, despite the fact that the changes as they effect these three weapons do not effect TTK?

Forge Gun: 1 hit kill against Infantry is still a 1 hit kill against infantry, but it will be weaker against vehicles. What was once balanced will be slightly UP.

Swarm Launcher: CanGÇÖt even lock onto Infantry, yet it is suffering from Damage mod and Proficiency nerfs. What was once UP will now be almost useless.

AV Grenades: Only goes off if it hits a vehicle. Yet they have been nerfed by 33% by removing one grenade. Will 2 AV grenades be enough to solo a LAV?

Any of these weapons could have a DPS buff applied without affecting Infantry TTK, yet CCP did nothing!

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12186	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:49:00 - [1] - Quote DUST 514. I'm curious what we can and can not discuss on the DUST 514 General Discussion forums, so, I ask you all: What do you feel about DUST 514, right now. When you turn on the game, or look at upcoming updates, what thoughts run through your head? What are your favorite and least favorite things? What makes you love the game? What makes you hate it? Also, just in case Inb4lock For me, I love my Incubus, even if it is the weaker of the two, generally speaking. No matter what stupid balance changes go on down on the ground, I can fly around graceful as a winged hippo, confident that your silly rifles and cloaks mean nothing to me. I don't want to go into what makes me rage right now or I really will get my thread locked, but that's my main love affair with DUST right now. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Tweaksz NECROM0NGERS 25	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:51:00 - [2] - Quote inb4 lock. Dissapointment complete and utter disappointment but that's as far as i'll go, the reasons are pretty obvious. I won't quit playing but CCP can expect no amount of money from me... Raptor Squad
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 258	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:52:00 - [3] - Quote Mass Drivers. I have been thinking how the minmatar commando will do well with it if it was camping on a say a roof...I never favored shield suits with the MD, you can't flux yourself and not expect to get screwed with your own weapon. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2214	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:54:00 - [4] - Quote Waste of a year... "But we have been blessed"
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 77	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:55:00 - [5] - Quote i didnt think TC's were allowed to do inb4's i thought that was against the internet rules my favorite thing about dust is that its the only sony playstation exclusive FPS now that MAG is gone, (that isnt to say that i think other consoles suck i just like the playstation) i get on there, and i shoot guys, its fun. i fly around in a drop ship and blow people up thats pretty fun as well, good times are to be had http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/29w7g29.jpg Assault Dropship Pilot
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3101	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:55:00 - [6] - Quote InB4theworstdamagecontrolever. I GÖú Kittens.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 5877	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:56:00 - [7] - Quote I have removed some spam posts from this thread. However, please continue discussing the topic in the OP. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2116	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:57:00 - [8] - Quote inb4lock honestly i'm not sure what we can talk about today. i mean the purpose of threads is to organize thoughts and maintain multiple discussions, instead we have 1.8 thread to discuss every seperate minute details with people talking over each other about different things. even as a method for stopping us from discussing the subject, it's blatantly obvious they have no intention to read a thread like that.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1684	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:57:00 - [9] - Quote I generally like discussing DUST. I also generally like playing it. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 518	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:57:00 - [10] - Quote Lots and lots of rage. And just enough unique fun and excitement to continue to torture myself. Looking for the scout hangout?

DaNizzle4shizle Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 691	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:57:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I have removed some spam posts from this thread. However, please continue discussing the topic in the OP. you locked my thread. do i get a week ban? I strive for Greatness. I am the merc that I am today because of all the trials I have been through.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 941	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:58:00 - [12] - Quote I'm having fun with dust. Only two things make me really sad, rail tankers in the redline and the community. There are some cool and funny people on here, bit there are so many people whining about everything, its like 100 kids yelling in my brain while someone scrapes their nails on a chalk board. Its just sad really....
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12188	Posted - 2014.03.12 17:59:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I have removed some spam posts from this thread. However, please continue discussing the topic in the OP. VICTORY!!!! \o/ So as to not be off topic, I'll elaborate on the Incubus: It is Gallente. It is beautiful. It looks like it shouldn't even be able to roll onto its side, but RDVs have proven it possible. And even from it's rolled over state, this majestic beast can take to the sky like a newborn dragon, ready to rain death upon enemy shield vehicles since that's all small rail guns are really good for lol. Missiles are still nasty though, and the extra HP lets you sit and tank shots for a little while in most cases, though considering all forms of AV do their bonus damage to you, you really need to watch out. I feel like the Incubus is the more difficult of the two options, and I enjoy that. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Marc Rime 310	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:02:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: DUST 514. I'm curious what we can and can not discuss on the DUST 514 General Discussion forums, so, I ask you all: What do you feel about DUST 514, right now. When you turn on the game, or look at upcoming updates, what thoughts run through your head? What are your favorite and least favorite things? What makes you love the game? What makes you hate it? I'm really enjoying the current forum drama - it's funny, I laugh. I mean, it's either that or losing all hope for the future of humanity ;). Seems to have cooled off a bit now though...
Kaze Eyrou SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 461	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:03:00 - [15] - Quote I'd have to say I'm excited for 1.8. I'm curious to see how the game direction will be heading after what CPM Hans put out there (I saw it on reddit, forgot exact link) something about how the game direction has really taken form and updates will increase or something like that? Anyways, 1.8. I feel like it will change things up a lot and we'll move away from the old FOTM rifles. I believe we'll see many people using and trying out the new pistols and SMG to get a feel for those. The fact the suits have changed in their bonuses will mean more variety and flavor out their than just a logistics suit and finally when someone is rolling logistics, I can give them a high-five because now they are truly Logibros. I also love what they are doing with the event, making it participatory for everyone instead of just a select few. I hope that they take a look at this and decide to do more events like this that allow new players to come and enjoy the game. It's fun, it's challenging, and it allows the community to band together and just have a blast. Finally, I saw some old Skirmish 1.0 vids and I really hope CCP decides to bring that back in some form. That style of play is very reminiscent of Battlefield's Rush mode. If Battlefield can pull it off and it was well balanced as well as being a lot of fun (at least, that's my opinion of the game mode but I think most will agree with me), I believe we can bring back Skirmish 1.0 as the new "Rush" gamemode. // Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // Respec Discuss
The Attorney General 2430	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:11:00 - [16] - Quote I'm pretty much done with public dust. I grind out LP for my PC supplies, I play PC. The rest of the game is such a mess, that it isn't even worth playing anymore. The balance problems just in PC are bad enough, and given the released info isn't going to get any better. My hope in this game has steadily been eroded to the point where only my allegiance to the people I have been playing with keeps me logging on. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 188	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:33:00 - [17] - Quote dropship also allows me to escape whatever current build mess is on the ground until they mess with my dropship again. it took me the last 3 months daily flying i like where i am with it right now tho I've been flying since mordus private trials but took a long break and never really flew much in chrome at the first of that time 3 months ago i was loosing way too many ADS to call them comfortably. i for a couple days felt like flying was hopeless after loosing too much isk to it one night. then i started just fitting MLTs and somehow started to keep those more and more flying going isk positive with it. i began to learn the new maps and relearn the old ones and suddenly flying wasn't as hard anymore. after a while i started to intuitively get a gut instinct when i was about to get railed, and this just came from being railed so many times that i began to pick up on patterns of where rail fire normally was.. it came from a result of map knowledge and was more the work of my subconsious picking up on those patterns resulting in gut instincts. i feel more and more comfortable calling my ADS now. Basically I am playing for the moments i can get nose cannon kills but i came to realize i could not have those every match. the gorgons were basically a way to test the match for me and only spend 60k to do so. if those survived i would call my incubus but now i'm more confident to just call incubus outright. i'm just outright tired of dealing with newer players in game who are like the biggest know it alls when it comes to dropships, but they never fly one except to be shot down.. the pilots plight is one of dealing with a lot of backseat flyers, know it alls and all out vehicle haters until you can find sensible players who trust in your pilots skills. there's so many trash pilots that everyones scared to board a dropship plus it doesn't help when a bunch of ground sheep are analyzing dropships only from the perspective of what they've read on the forums or what they over heard someone else ***** about. as far as firsthand perspective goes all they have is the time they called a dropship and got it shot down. the ppl who will use dropships are very critical of pilots and understandably so. so if you do get these people to agree to let you fly them you pray that it won't be one of those flights that's just not going to work out because there is no excuse you can make even if the crash is unavoidable- if you don't deliver an epic maiden flight the vets will return to their castled walls they've built up to keep out the know it alls and noobs i mentioned before. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 33	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:40:00 - [18] - Quote Dust has gotten to be a grind for me lately. That could be because I've been playing for like 9 months though. I don't have a lot of fun with this game, but (imo) this isn't a game that you'll have tons of 'fun' playing, instead you gain satisfaction by performing well in battle and winning. Other than that, all of this thread locking worries me. Oh, and blame CCP Shanghai for Dust's problems. Sub-Director of The Phoenix Federation. Shut up or I'll mute you.
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 77	Posted - 2014.03.12 18:55:00 - [19] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Let's talk about the emperor and his spiffy clothes. And Battlefield 1943. battlefield 1943 was f'ing awesome i played the **** outta that game, i wish that the vietnam expansion for BF BC 2 was just a standalone game like it, or wish they made a battlefield 2123 mini arcade/ps store game http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/29w7g29.jpg Assault Dropship Pilot
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2793	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:27:00 - [20] - Quote Disillusionment. How could CCP not realize that Swarm Launchers and AV Grendes needed a slight buff to achieve the same Vehicle/AV balance that Forge Guns already have in 1.7? How could CCP not realize that the grenade count reduction, and the TTK changes to Damage Modes, and Proficiency Skill would be a direct nerf to AV, despite the fact that the changes as they effect these three weapons do not effect TTK? Forge Gun: 1 hit kill against Infantry is still a 1 hit kill against infantry, but it will be weaker against vehicles. What was once balanced will be slightly UP. Swarm Launcher: CanGÇÖt even lock onto Infantry, yet it is suffering from Damage mod and Proficiency nerfs. What was once UP will now be almost useless. AV Grenades: Only goes off if it hits a vehicle. Yet they have been nerfed by 33% by removing one grenade. Will 2 AV grenades be enough to solo a LAV? Any of these weapons could have a DPS buff applied without affecting Infantry TTK, yet CCP did nothing! Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1525	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:28:00 - [21] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Let's talk about the emperor and his spiffy clothes. And Battlefield 1943. battlefield 1943 was f'ing awesome i played the ** outta that game, i wish that the vietnam expansion for BF BC 2 was just a standalone game like it, or wish they made a battlefield 2123 mini arcade/ps store game Wow, I get to quote a response to a post that I made that was then deleted! That alone makes DUST a competitive shooter. The Amarr scout is Amarrian, and a scout. Hoodathunkit? Unless you're just addicted** to wetsuit paperdolls...
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1525	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:29:00 - [22] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: InB4theworstdamagecontrolever. Dropships make weird noises. Game of the year, you heard it here first. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Squagga The State Protectorate 295	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:31:00 - [23] - Quote I feel like a ****** addict constantly chasing that first high. Constantly being let down over and over again yet I continually go back to DUST, man that's depressing Reloading, the silent killer.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 372	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:40:00 - [24] - Quote Favorite think is my great coop with customer support. The WORST are devs DESICIONS. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 203	Posted - 2014.03.12 19:41:00 - [25] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Disillusionment. How could CCP not realize that Swarm Launchers and AV Grendes needed a slight buff to achieve the same Vehicle/AV balance that Forge Guns already have in 1.7? How could CCP not realize that the grenade count reduction, and the TTK changes to Damage Modes, and Proficiency Skill would be a direct nerf to AV, despite the fact that the changes as they effect these three weapons do not effect TTK? Forge Gun: 1 hit kill against Infantry is still a 1 hit kill against infantry, but it will be weaker against vehicles. What was once balanced will be slightly UP. Swarm Launcher: CanGÇÖt even lock onto Infantry, yet it is suffering from Damage mod and Proficiency nerfs. What was once UP will now be almost useless. AV Grenades: Only goes off if it hits a vehicle. Yet they have been nerfed by 33% by removing one grenade. Will 2 AV grenades be enough to solo a LAV? Any of these weapons could have a DPS buff applied without affecting Infantry TTK, yet CCP did nothing! I am still hoping (not much left) that Vehicle would be addressed to fall in line with the new TTK. I speculated we would have seen al Dev Blogs (vehicle TTK included) by this week or next with 1.8 releasing 18 or 25. Hopefully the middle of next month we get 1.9 which addresses vehicle AV and whatever tit bits they can throw in. Then we revert to the old strategy of Expansions with whatever big stuff for the 1st one being announced at Fan Fest. "Shine bright like a diamond"


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