DUST Search - Logistics Vs Assaults

Atiim wrote:

Nothing Certain wrote:

Meee One wrote:

Assaults keep QQing about logis having more slots and cpu/pg.
They keep leaving out the fact that in 1.8 their base stats are much better.

Lets let workload decide which suit deserves the most slots.

Logis responsibilities:
-repair
-refill
-revive
-scan
-hack
-coordination
-transportation
-detonation (REs)
-Uplinks
-monitor allies status
-keep allies fighting fit
-support fire
-clearing enemies to revive a downed team mate

Assaults:
-Kill stuff

99% of Dust is logistics and 1% is killing.
If someone else is using eq,they are stepping on logistics' toes,but unlike assaults we understand your need for said eq and the fact a logi may not be there to deliver it.
You'll never hear a logi complain about you giving support (unless you're farming WP with a MLT injector).
But assaults aren't as mature and will QQ for days about any other suit "out slaying" them.

I'ld say based on workload the answer is obvious as to which suit deserves the most slots,and cpu/pg.

Actually what all of us actually do is mash buttons, no heavy lifting required.

That's also how you operate an Airplane. Just mash buttons, check meters, and pull levers.

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Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 478	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:53:00 - [1] - Quote Assaults keep QQing about logis having more slots and cpu/pg. They keep leaving out the fact that in 1.8 their base stats are much better. Lets let workload decide which suit deserves the most slots. Logis responsibilities: -repair -refill -revive -scan -hack -coordination -transportation -detonation (REs) -Uplinks -monitor allies status -keep allies fighting fit -support fire -clearing enemies to revive a downed team mate Assaults: -Kill stuff 99% of Dust is logistics and 1% is killing. If someone else is using eq,they are stepping on logistics' toes,but unlike assaults we understand your need for said eq and the fact a logi may not be there to deliver it. You'll never hear a logi complain about you giving support (unless you're farming WP with a MLT injector). But assaults aren't as mature and will QQ for days about any other suit "out slaying" them. I'ld say based on workload the answer is obvious as to which suit deserves the most slots,and cpu/pg. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 289	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:07:00 - [2] - Quote Meee One wrote: Assaults keep QQing about logis having more slots and cpu/pg. They keep leaving out the fact that in 1.8 their base stats are much better. Lets let workload decide which suit deserves the most slots. Logis responsibilities: -repair -refill -revive -scan -hack -coordination -transportation -detonation (REs) -Uplinks -monitor allies status -keep allies fighting fit -support fire -clearing enemies to revive a downed team mate Assaults: -Kill stuff 99% of Dust is logistics and 1% is killing. If someone else is using eq,they are stepping on logistics' toes,but unlike assaults we understand your need for said eq and the fact a logi may not be there to deliver it. You'll never hear a logi complain about you giving support (unless you're farming WP with a MLT injector). But assaults aren't as mature and will QQ for days about any other suit "out slaying" them. I'ld say based on workload the answer is obvious as to which suit deserves the most slots,and cpu/pg. Actually what all of us actually do is mash buttons, no heavy lifting required. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 289	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:08:00 - [3] - Quote And I actually used actually twice in one sentence actually. Because, that's why.
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 128	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:09:00 - [4] - Quote As a fellow logi I have to agree there's a lot of plates we have to keep spinning (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhoos1oY404 for an example). However, I'd say 9 times out of a ten if I'm getting killed by a charge/thales sniper rifle, the person wielding it is in a proto logi suit of some flavor (mostly caldari...). Something about does not seem right. I don't exactly have a direct solution to that but I think the equipment bonus (and eventual nerf to PG/CPU...) we're getting in 1.8 will probably help that quite a bit.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5569	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:40:00 - [5] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Meee One wrote: Assaults keep QQing about logis having more slots and cpu/pg. They keep leaving out the fact that in 1.8 their base stats are much better. Lets let workload decide which suit deserves the most slots. Logis responsibilities: -repair -refill -revive -scan -hack -coordination -transportation -detonation (REs) -Uplinks -monitor allies status -keep allies fighting fit -support fire -clearing enemies to revive a downed team mate Assaults: -Kill stuff 99% of Dust is logistics and 1% is killing. If someone else is using eq,they are stepping on logistics' toes,but unlike assaults we understand your need for said eq and the fact a logi may not be there to deliver it. You'll never hear a logi complain about you giving support (unless you're farming WP with a MLT injector). But assaults aren't as mature and will QQ for days about any other suit "out slaying" them. I'ld say based on workload the answer is obvious as to which suit deserves the most slots,and cpu/pg. Actually what all of us actually do is mash buttons, no heavy lifting required. That's also how you operate an Airplane. Just mash buttons, check meters, and pull levers. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5064	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:43:00 - [6] - Quote Lol *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 479	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:46:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Meee One wrote: Assaults keep QQing about logis having more slots and cpu/pg. They keep leaving out the fact that in 1.8 their base stats are much better. Lets let workload decide which suit deserves the most slots. Logis responsibilities: -repair -refill -revive -scan -hack -coordination -transportation -detonation (REs) -Uplinks -monitor allies status -keep allies fighting fit -support fire -clearing enemies to revive a downed team mate Assaults: -Kill stuff 99% of Dust is logistics and 1% is killing. If someone else is using eq,they are stepping on logistics' toes,but unlike assaults we understand your need for said eq and the fact a logi may not be there to deliver it. You'll never hear a logi complain about you giving support (unless you're farming WP with a MLT injector). But assaults aren't as mature and will QQ for days about any other suit "out slaying" them. I'ld say based on workload the answer is obvious as to which suit deserves the most slots,and cpu/pg. Actually what all of us actually do is mash buttons, no heavy lifting required. That's also how you operate an Airplane. Just mash buttons, check meters, and pull levers. Well,this thread fell apart quickly didn't it? Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR TCD ToXiCaTeD RISE of LEGION 1611	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:50:00 - [8] - Quote the problem with logis being better assaults than assaults is that they have more slots than assaults and an internal 5 hp/s reps. even if logis have less base hp, 5 highs and 4 lows mean that a SHIELD based caldari suit can achieve 700 armor with decent shield and damage mods. what in the actual ****? if logis had less slots than they do now and no internal repper, then slayer logis wouldn't be a problem. this isn't to say that you should take their slots away now. rather, we should wait until 1.8 to see how they work with the changes before trying to flatout nerf them. Anime > EVERYTHING
Raz Sidona M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn 67	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:52:00 - [9] - Quote Meee One wrote: Assaults keep QQing about logis having more slots and cpu/pg. They keep leaving out the fact that in 1.8 their base stats are much better. Lets let workload decide which suit deserves the most slots. Logis responsibilities: -repair -refill -revive -scan -hack -coordination -transportation -detonation (REs) -Uplinks -monitor allies status -keep allies fighting fit -support fire -clearing enemies to revive a downed team mate Assaults: -Kill stuff 99% of Dust is logistics and 1% is killing. If someone else is using eq,they are stepping on logistics' toes,but unlike assaults we understand your need for said eq and the fact a logi may not be there to deliver it. You'll never hear a logi complain about you giving support (unless you're farming WP with a MLT injector). But assaults aren't as mature and will QQ for days about any other suit "out slaying" them. I'ld say based on workload the answer is obvious as to which suit deserves the most slots,and cpu/pg. Let me help relieve some of those responsibilities for you. logis don't have to monitor allies status cause that is an individuals job to alert the logi, you don't have to clear our enemies cause that is what the rest of your squad is for, transportation is a vehicle experts job, and coordination is the squad leaders job.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7307	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:57:00 - [10] - Quote Killing is it's own art and skill that would double that list if you break it down. And no, coordination and transportation is not part of the Logis job. Coordination is the leader's job, and transportation is the pilots job. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514

Marc Rime 308	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:03:00 - [11] - Quote Meee One wrote: I'ld say based on workload the answer is obvious as to which suit deserves the most slots,and cpu/pg. If that's the best reason you can come up with, I'd say it proves logis have too many slots ;).
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2444	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:21:00 - [12] - Quote I think Logistics are very important to any battle, and essential if a team wants it roles to work in cohesion. However, how do we, as a community, stop players, who should be assault suits from a abusing the Logis extras slots, CPU, and PG Case and point Example One Example 2 Please explain to me how these are not assault fis on steroids, or how they contribute to the team logistically speaking. Now for troll , If I could compare assaulting to being a Logibro it would be through this analogy. Assaulting is the bench press of Dust, and being a logi is the smith machine. Yes both can be considered working out, and can be applied to the same muscle groups. However, with the Smith Machine you're merely pushing weight a opposed to lifting it on the press. Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 224	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:41:00 - [13] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: However, how do we, as a community, stop players, who should be assault suits from a abusing the Logis extras slots, CPU, and PG Limit logis to std level weapons/nades only and a fitting penalty to DMG mods seems like it would work to me? It's what I carry anyway 90% of the time. That way logis can still have plenty of tank to survive quick forays into fire to rep/rez/resupply the assaults but will always severely lack in the damage dishing category, without being totally helpless if they have to finish off a cripple.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 616	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:46:00 - [14] - Quote The overall nerf to equipment will certainly have an impact as to a run-of-the-mill assault's hive vs a proper Caldari logi hive, or a "regular" uplink vs an Amarr logi's. Plus, assault suits are becoming more specialized in doing the killing, and that'll likely have an impact on assault vs logi vs scout vs heavy, etc. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5068	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:04:00 - [15] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: However, how do we, as a community, stop players, who should be assault suits from a abusing the Logis extras slots, CPU, and PG since all logis have a reduction to PG/CPU decreasing PG/CPU might yield some results. Not the most perfect idea but mentioned *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1954	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:16:00 - [16] - Quote Logis keep acting like they have such a hard job. IT IS EASY MODE PLAYING A LOGI. /end I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5575	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:17:00 - [17] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Logis keep acting like they have such a hard job. IT IS EASY MODE PLAYING A LOGI. /end Because being an Assault is hard Because being any Medium Frame is hard AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1571	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:22:00 - [18] - Quote The problem is that you can choose to use those slots to be all those roles, or skip equipment all together and use all the slots to stack high tiered defensive mods and weapons. The assault's base stats don't help it as much at proto where the logi can compensate. Why so much assault hate anyway? They're just looking for a defined role that can't be done better by another suit. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 679	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:26:00 - [19] - Quote This debate was soooooooooo 2013. Let it go.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 165	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:39:00 - [20] - Quote Meee One wrote: Assaults keep QQing about logis having more slots and cpu/pg. They keep leaving out the fact that in 1.8 their base stats are much better. Lets let workload decide which suit deserves the most slots. Logis responsibilities: -repair -refill -revive -scan -hack -coordination -transportation -detonation (REs) -Uplinks -monitor allies status -keep allies fighting fit -support fire -clearing enemies to revive a downed team mate Assaults: -Kill stuff 99% of Dust is logistics and 1% is killing. If someone else is using eq,they are stepping on logistics' toes,but unlike assaults we understand your need for said eq and the fact a logi may not be there to deliver it. You'll never hear a logi complain about you giving support (unless you're farming WP with a MLT injector). But assaults aren't as mature and will QQ for days about any other suit "out slaying" them. I'ld say based on workload the answer is obvious as to which suit deserves the most slots,and cpu/pg. If there are literally NO assaults on your squad who aren't doing at MINIMUM half of that list, Get a new squad because you're playing with idiots. Welcome to you're "DOOM"

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 398	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:41:00 - [21] - Quote My suggestion was to just give assaulters the current logi bonuses which would give them better chance to survive , which would give them the opportunity to give out more damage because it's not just damage against damage but this inturn would involve strategy to take out your opponent. Logi's were given those bonuses because of their role and lack of a sidearm , which made sense but you have those who look for anything that would give them an advantage. Simple solution was to give assaulters bonuses that would have made slayer logi's less appealing and assaulters fill their given role , which was not done. Assaults need two eq slots as well just like the commando but it was given to scouts .. not that they didn't need it but most AVing is done with an assault suit. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 398	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:16:00 - [22] - Quote I was going to go logi in 1.8 but it just doesn't seem smart right now with the massive influx of scouts on the horizon this will become a game of speed above anything else. Logi's are slow ( doesn't seem right ) and are not really valued " team " wise more than individually by the heavy that they know and happens to squad with. They are undervalued and unappreciated. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Atheor Sindromer Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 60	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:49:00 - [23] - Quote You're going to have to calm your boobies. Assaults (like me) just hate Slayer-Logi's for not using their suit as they were intended to be used. That's pretty much it. Also, your post makes it seem like you're the immature crying baby you make the Assaults seem to be. Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.


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