DUST Search - Request:Buff logistics suits in 1.8

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Meee One wrote:

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Bendtner92 wrote:

Really?

Logis already have the most slots (and those extra slots means the lower health than Assaults is nullified) and are even getting buffed in 1.8 Roll

If anything they need to have the same amount of high and low slots as Assaults and less CPU/PG than now (also because they get a 25% fitting reduction for all their Equipment slots in 1.8). Logis should be less tankier than Assaults (hence the lower base health), but the higher amount of high and low slots counter exactly that.

Sure they could then perhaps get a slight speed buff to be (almost) on par with Assaults in that regard, but they certainly need their high and low slot count reduced as well as their CPU/PG lowered a bit.

Keep their current HP, give them the same or slightly more speed than assault lower their CPU/PG to assaults levels move one slot from Logis to assaults and boost the logis CPU/PG reduction skill to 10 or 15% per level.

Et voila the logi cant out tank the assault (same CPU/PG but 1 slot less) but could still fit the equipment to be a logi and the logi now can keep up with battle suits apart from scouts (that are more the lone wolf style suits anyway)

Tl;Dr
Logis aren't nerfed enough nerf them more!
-An assault

Logistics is 99% of the game and killing is maybe 1% so we should make logistics suits even worse?

This is not a nerf its a change the support player needs speed to keep up with front line soldiers, with the boost to fitting for equipment you will be able to equip anything you need to full fill their role.

Being a bit less tanky than assaults is fine for me as long as we get more speed. you don't need heavy like eHP to be a good logi but you need assault like speed to be where you are needed. Of course this is my personal opinion other logi may be fine with being slow like a heavy with less HP than a heavy...

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Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 475	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:59:00 - [1] - Quote Right now (as of 1.8) assaults beat logis in base armor and shields as well as speed AND shield regen. I thought armor slowed you down (armor plates). My request: -Buff logistics armor and shields as well as shield regen to compensate for the speed loss. -or- -Buff logistics stamina/stamina regen,movement/sprinting speed to compensate for the tank loss. And before any assaults QQ,this would boost one or the other not both. Being frail and slow just isn't fair. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1565	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:02:00 - [2] - Quote I've only fully specced into the Gallente Logi and.....no. I take a hit to speed and health for 4 equipment slots, I'm here to support my team, not be a slayer. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 308	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:15:00 - [3] - Quote Speed and EHP are proportional in this game, with the exception of the Logi. All that's needed to fix this is to switch the base Shield/Armor between the Logi's and the Assaults.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 477	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:16:00 - [4] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: I've only fully specced into the Gallente Logi and.....no. I take a hit to speed and health for 4 equipment slots, I'm here to support my team, not be a slayer. It's funny how desiring any buff to logis automatically makes you a slayer. It's also quite sad you're too stupid to read and understand the whole post. If you knew the suit stats before you commented,you would know the only thing i'm asking for is the ability to survive not slay. Heavy suits are slow and have bad regen because of their armor. Scouts are fast and have great regen because of their lack of armor. Assaults have more armor and have good regen and are still fast. Logis have less armor worse regen and are slow. Oh,it's because my eq? Does that mean scouts will be slowed or have their armor reduced to compensate for the extra eq slot they get? I think not,it would defeat their roles purpose. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 679	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:30:00 - [5] - Quote I would rather give logis more speed, honestly support players need speed to get where they are needed...and to keep up with all the front line grunts (assaults)...
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 477	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:46:00 - [6] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: I would rather give logis more speed, honestly support players need speed to get where they are needed...and to keep up with all the front line grunts (assaults)... I would have 0 problems with this. I just wish CCP would make up their minds regarding logis. We can either be slow and tank,or be fast and not tank. But as logis currently are they are slow and can't tank,unless you're running a slayer fit. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2147	Posted - 2014.03.10 13:49:00 - [7] - Quote Logis are getting a buff in 1.8 but not really to anything having to do with killing. They get more passive scan range, better bas hacking speed and more stamina and regen.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 478	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:08:00 - [8] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Logis are getting a buff in 1.8 but not really to anything having to do with killing. They get more passive scan range, better bas hacking speed and more stamina and regen. Assaults will still have better max stamina by 25 points,and stamina regen by 5 points. All with better tank,and shield regen. And their scan precision will be better. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1842	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:15:00 - [9] - Quote Really? Logis already have the most slots (and those extra slots means the lower health than Assaults is nullified) and are even getting buffed in 1.8 If anything they need to have the same amount of high and low slots as Assaults and less CPU/PG than now (also because they get a 25% fitting reduction for all their Equipment slots in 1.8). Logis should be less tankier than Assaults (hence the lower base health), but the higher amount of high and low slots counter exactly that. Sure they could then perhaps get a slight speed buff to be (almost) on par with Assaults in that regard, but they certainly need their high and low slot count reduced as well as their CPU/PG lowered a bit. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 680	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:23:00 - [10] - Quote Meee One wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: I would rather give logis more speed, honestly support players need speed to get where they are needed...and to keep up with all the front line grunts (assaults)... I would have 0 problems with this. I just wish CCP would make up their minds regarding logis. We can either be slow and tank,or be fast and not tank. But as logis currently are they are slow and can't tank,unless you're running a slayer fit. Sad but true I really would love to have a weaker (eHP) wise logi that is fast at least to assaults level...I would give a High/low slot for more speed...

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 680	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:27:00 - [11] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Really? Logis already have the most slots (and those extra slots means the lower health than Assaults is nullified) and are even getting buffed in 1.8 If anything they need to have the same amount of high and low slots as Assaults and less CPU/PG than now (also because they get a 25% fitting reduction for all their Equipment slots in 1.8). Logis should be less tankier than Assaults (hence the lower base health), but the higher amount of high and low slots counter exactly that. Sure they could then perhaps get a slight speed buff to be (almost) on par with Assaults in that regard, but they certainly need their high and low slot count reduced as well as their CPU/PG lowered a bit. Keep their current HP, give them the same or slightly more speed than assault lower their CPU/PG to assaults levels move one slot from Logis to assaults and boost the logis CPU/PG reduction skill to 10 or 15% per level. Et voila the logi cant out tank the assault (same CPU/PG but 1 slot less) but could still fit the equipment to be a logi and the logi now can keep up with battle suits apart from scouts (that are more the lone wolf style suits anyway)
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 478	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:31:00 - [12] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Really? Logis already have the most slots (and those extra slots means the lower health than Assaults is nullified) and are even getting buffed in 1.8 If anything they need to have the same amount of high and low slots as Assaults and less CPU/PG than now (also because they get a 25% fitting reduction for all their Equipment slots in 1.8). Logis should be less tankier than Assaults (hence the lower base health), but the higher amount of high and low slots counter exactly that. Sure they could then perhaps get a slight speed buff to be (almost) on par with Assaults in that regard, but they certainly need their high and low slot count reduced as well as their CPU/PG lowered a bit. Tl;Dr Logis aren't nerfed enough nerf them more! -An assault NF has 0 credibility anymore,so i'll ignore your ignorance regarding logis. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 478	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:34:00 - [13] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Really? Logis already have the most slots (and those extra slots means the lower health than Assaults is nullified) and are even getting buffed in 1.8 If anything they need to have the same amount of high and low slots as Assaults and less CPU/PG than now (also because they get a 25% fitting reduction for all their Equipment slots in 1.8). Logis should be less tankier than Assaults (hence the lower base health), but the higher amount of high and low slots counter exactly that. Sure they could then perhaps get a slight speed buff to be (almost) on par with Assaults in that regard, but they certainly need their high and low slot count reduced as well as their CPU/PG lowered a bit. Keep their current HP, give them the same or slightly more speed than assault lower their CPU/PG to assaults levels move one slot from Logis to assaults and boost the logis CPU/PG reduction skill to 10 or 15% per level. Et voila the logi cant out tank the assault (same CPU/PG but 1 slot less) but could still fit the equipment to be a logi and the logi now can keep up with battle suits apart from scouts (that are more the lone wolf style suits anyway) Tl;Dr Logis aren't nerfed enough nerf them more! -An assault Logistics is 99% of the game and killing is maybe 1% so we should make logistics suits even worse? Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1843	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:37:00 - [14] - Quote Meee One wrote: Tl;Dr Logis aren't nerfed enough nerf them more! -An assault NF has 0 credibility anymore,so i'll ignore your ignorance regarding logis. Logis nerfed when? They get a 25% fitting reduction to their equipment, less scan precision and more scan range in 1.8 and aren't losing any CPU/PG or anything else. Assaults will be utterly terrible in 1.8 btw, so not sure what you're trying to say with your comment about that. Fact: Logis is supposed to be less tankier than Assaults (because they have less base health), but their higher amount of high and low slots counter that. That is a problem. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 681	Posted - 2014.03.10 14:42:00 - [15] - Quote Meee One wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Really? Logis already have the most slots (and those extra slots means the lower health than Assaults is nullified) and are even getting buffed in 1.8 If anything they need to have the same amount of high and low slots as Assaults and less CPU/PG than now (also because they get a 25% fitting reduction for all their Equipment slots in 1.8). Logis should be less tankier than Assaults (hence the lower base health), but the higher amount of high and low slots counter exactly that. Sure they could then perhaps get a slight speed buff to be (almost) on par with Assaults in that regard, but they certainly need their high and low slot count reduced as well as their CPU/PG lowered a bit. Keep their current HP, give them the same or slightly more speed than assault lower their CPU/PG to assaults levels move one slot from Logis to assaults and boost the logis CPU/PG reduction skill to 10 or 15% per level. Et voila the logi cant out tank the assault (same CPU/PG but 1 slot less) but could still fit the equipment to be a logi and the logi now can keep up with battle suits apart from scouts (that are more the lone wolf style suits anyway) Tl;Dr Logis aren't nerfed enough nerf them more! -An assault Logistics is 99% of the game and killing is maybe 1% so we should make logistics suits even worse? This is not a nerf its a change the support player needs speed to keep up with front line soldiers, with the boost to fitting for equipment you will be able to equip anything you need to full fill their role. Being a bit less tanky than assaults is fine for me as long as we get more speed. you don't need heavy like eHP to be a good logi but you need assault like speed to be where you are needed. Of course this is my personal opinion other logi may be fine with being slow like a heavy with less HP than a heavy...
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 478	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:01:00 - [16] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Meee One wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Really? Logis already have the most slots (and those extra slots means the lower health than Assaults is nullified) and are even getting buffed in 1.8 If anything they need to have the same amount of high and low slots as Assaults and less CPU/PG than now (also because they get a 25% fitting reduction for all their Equipment slots in 1.8). Logis should be less tankier than Assaults (hence the lower base health), but the higher amount of high and low slots counter exactly that. Sure they could then perhaps get a slight speed buff to be (almost) on par with Assaults in that regard, but they certainly need their high and low slot count reduced as well as their CPU/PG lowered a bit. Keep their current HP, give them the same or slightly more speed than assault lower their CPU/PG to assaults levels move one slot from Logis to assaults and boost the logis CPU/PG reduction skill to 10 or 15% per level. Et voila the logi cant out tank the assault (same CPU/PG but 1 slot less) but could still fit the equipment to be a logi and the logi now can keep up with battle suits apart from scouts (that are more the lone wolf style suits anyway) Tl;Dr Logis aren't nerfed enough nerf them more! -An assault Logistics is 99% of the game and killing is maybe 1% so we should make logistics suits even worse? This is not a nerf its a change the support player needs speed to keep up with front line soldiers, with the boost to fitting for equipment you will be able to equip anything you need to full fill their role. Being a bit less tanky than assaults is fine for me as long as we get more speed. you don't need heavy like eHP to be a good logi but you need assault like speed to be where you are needed. Of course this is my personal opinion other logi may be fine with being slow like a heavy with less HP than a heavy... no logi would willingly saw off their own arm to save their big toe. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2621	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:12:00 - [17] - Quote Sure! How about a sidearm while we are at it? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 483	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:24:00 - [18] - Quote logis should be a tiny bit faster than assaults. because they need to give support to the assaults, meaning they need to catch up to them Proud Christian Free stuff for the next account you make:)
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1932	Posted - 2014.03.10 15:47:00 - [19] - Quote Meee One wrote: And before any assaults QQ,this would boost one or the other not both. Being frail and slow just isn't fair. Logistics -> Frail Before QQing for a buff you should probably get your core skills up instead of plugging every CPU and PG module in your suit and not using armor and shield modules. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1566	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:26:00 - [20] - Quote Meee One wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: I've only fully specced into the Gallente Logi and.....no. I take a hit to speed and health for 4 equipment slots, I'm here to support my team, not be a slayer. It's funny how desiring any buff to logis automatically makes you a slayer. It's also quite sad you're too stupid to read and understand the whole post. If you knew the suit stats before you commented,you would know the only thing i'm asking for is the ability to survive not slay. Heavy suits are slow and have bad regen because of their armor. Scouts are fast and have great regen because of their lack of armor. Assaults have more armor and have good regen and are still fast. Logis have less armor worse regen and are slow. Oh,it's because my eq? Does that mean scouts will be slowed or have their armor reduced to compensate for the extra eq slot they get? I think not,it would defeat their roles purpose. Unless they nerf the slots, logis don't need any buffs. There are few enough reasons to use an assault suit over a logi for combat purposes. Since it's my suit of choice I always want it be viable in it's role, but I also want every other suit to have a viable role, as it stands logis are fine. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7303	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:31:00 - [21] - Quote It's safe to assume that at this point 1.8 has been content locked and therefore no more changes can be put in before being sent out to Sony for distribution. Therefore don't expect this to be in 1.8. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 810	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:43:00 - [22] - Quote I agree that a speed buff would be good. I struggle to keep up with heavies when walking and repping, and have biotics at 5, what of those who don't. LogiGod earns his pips
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 616	Posted - 2014.03.10 16:54:00 - [23] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: I would rather give logis more speed, honestly support players need speed to get where they are needed...and to keep up with all the front line grunts (assaults)... The problem with giving logis more speed is that indirectly buffs their tanks as well, since hitting a faster moving target is harder than hitting a slower moving target. Logis have a tremendous upside in that they can carry multiple equipment to the field, providing uplinks, repairs, injectors, hives, etc. all where they're needed most. And in 1.8, each of the four races will use one piece of equipment exceptionally well. This utility tradeoff for survival, in both speed and actual tank, is worth it. Assault suits should be the best at killing. Really, that's the one thing they do. Not just do well, but do in general. They need the speed, tank and damage potential to make them worthwhile choices over a logistics suit. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 398	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:12:00 - [24] - Quote I was going to go logi for 1.8 but after reading this , i'll just go scout like most and with 2 eq slots I might just be a better logi than a logi. Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 63	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:12:00 - [25] - Quote deleted
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1602	Posted - 2014.03.10 17:16:00 - [26] - Quote Ohohoho. Stupid thread is stupid. Drop it like its hat.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 684	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:13:00 - [27] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: I would rather give logis more speed, honestly support players need speed to get where they are needed...and to keep up with all the front line grunts (assaults)... The problem with giving logis more speed is that indirectly buffs their tanks as well, since hitting a faster moving target is harder than hitting a slower moving target. Logis have a tremendous upside in that they can carry multiple equipment to the field, providing uplinks, repairs, injectors, hives, etc. all where they're needed most. And in 1.8, each of the four races will use one piece of equipment exceptionally well. This utility tradeoff for survival, in both speed and actual tank, is worth it. Assault suits should be the best at killing. Really, that's the one thing they do. Not just do well, but do in general. They need the speed, tank and damage potential to make them worthwhile choices over a logistics suit. Yeah I am aware of this and thats why I suggest to switch the H/L slot layout of logis and assaults in combination with a buff to their fitting cost reduction skill (while lowering CPU/PG) that way true logis would not be gimped as they still can run with ots of proto equipment one slot less mean they are a bit less tanky than assaults...and most should be happy apart from slayer logis and those who think the only way to survive is to tank 1000 ehp or more...
DaNizzle4shizle Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 639	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:17:00 - [28] - Quote Meee One wrote: Right now (as of 1.8) assaults beat logis in base armor and shields as well as speed AND shield regen. I thought armor slowed you down (armor plates). My request: -Buff logistics armor and shields as well as shield regen to compensate for the speed loss. -or- -Buff logistics stamina/stamina regen,movement/sprinting speed to compensate for the tank loss. And before any assaults QQ,this would boost one or the other not both. Being frail and slow just isn't fair. finally! I strive for Greatness. I am the merc that I am today because of all the trials I have been through.
jerrmy12 kahoalii TRA1LBLAZERS 423	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:22:00 - [29] - Quote DaNizzle4shizle wrote: Meee One wrote: Right now (as of 1.8) assaults beat logis in base armor and shields as well as speed AND shield regen. I thought armor slowed you down (armor plates). My request: -Buff logistics armor and shields as well as shield regen to compensate for the speed loss. -or- -Buff logistics stamina/stamina regen,movement/sprinting speed to compensate for the tank loss. And before any assaults QQ,this would boost one or the other not both. Being frail and slow just isn't fair. finally! Logis dont need buffing, unless assaults get thier alot layout...(not a reply to you nizzle) Closed beta vet
DaNizzle4shizle Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 640	Posted - 2014.03.10 18:23:00 - [30] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: DaNizzle4shizle wrote: Meee One wrote: Right now (as of 1.8) assaults beat logis in base armor and shields as well as speed AND shield regen. I thought armor slowed you down (armor plates). My request: -Buff logistics armor and shields as well as shield regen to compensate for the speed loss. -or- -Buff logistics stamina/stamina regen,movement/sprinting speed to compensate for the tank loss. And before any assaults QQ,this would boost one or the other not both. Being frail and slow just isn't fair. finally! Logis dont need buffing, unless assaults get thier alot layout...(not a reply to you nizzle) right...... :P if your on right now, i need to talk to you brah I strive for Greatness. I am the merc that I am today because of all the trials I have been through.



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